Allow the use of Allegiance Title Track skills in Alliance Battles.

Hodgie

Hodgie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

On A Chair

Rise Of Corruption

Mo/

Why are alleigiance skills not aloud in AB? I mean like you get them from ABing, so why can't you use them in AB? I know they are PvE skills but maybe that should be changed maybe so they can only be used in PvE and AB, but not any other PvP arena.

Open To Critisysm

Hodgie

Edited by Celestial Beaver: Changed thread title to give some sort of indication of what the thread is about. Please refrain from creating threads with the title "Been Thinking..."

Poll Added.

Pangarna Omega

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Dragonhearts

W/Me

That's actually a great idea.
If we use faction from AB to get the skills, why can't we use them to get more faction?
/signed

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

It would ake AB pretty unbalanced as the person with a higher Faction rank ( not nessicarly form ab ing) would have a better skill then somone with a lower rank.
its grand the way ti is anyway imo
/not signed

Pangarna Omega

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Dragonhearts

W/Me

Ab is already quite unbalanced. More kurzicks then luxons, skill and also the skills themselves.
It really couldn't hurt lol

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

You haven't been thinking if you want PvE skills in AB.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Sometimes I wish I had one of the "At first I was like .. Then .. I lol'd" pictures stored on my imageshack account...

Hodgie

Hodgie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

On A Chair

Rise Of Corruption

Mo/

Fine then, but still why arn't the skills which u unlock with faction able to be used in the very thing u can get fraction from?

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

What a horrible idea. Why would you want to allow people to run around AB with save yourselves, aura of holy might, and the other skills?

/notsigned, for sure.

chozodude

chozodude

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

the netherlands

lowlandlions (LLL)

W/

rofl but no, why else would they call it PVE skill

Tosha

Tosha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

The Order of the Kitten [PURR]

When I saw the title, I knew this was going to be wrong

Nah, just joking

I think it is a good idea from a RP perspective, but a bad one from a balance perspective. But Anet should have thought of this BEFORE introducing the skills, tis too late now

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

You cannot use them in Ab because AB is PvP.
Plain and simple.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
You cannot use them in Ab because AB is PvP.
Plain and simple.
Whoa, wait, AB is PvP? That's news to me...

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

There are NPCs even in GvG.

If you want non-NPC PvP then youll have to goto like RA and TA... and even there you'll find Priests sometimes.

PvP in GW is like that.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Well, that would settle the debate about AB not being real PvP once and for all wouldn't it

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Yea lol put an imbagon in ab it's genious ..../notsigned

wanmoke

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

In the land of Do Not Disturb

Wind Riders

R/

/notsigned

Allegience skills are PvE skills and have no place in PvP. Yes, AB is PvP no matter how soft it is.

Mesmer in Need

Mesmer in Need

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

[ToA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
You cannot use them in Ab because AB is PvP.
Plain and simple.
Tell that to the 55's, shadow form sins, ans ss necros running around.

Fear Me!

Fear Me!

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Talach_Ninneed
It would ake AB pretty unbalanced as the person with a higher Faction rank ( not nessicarly form ab ing) would have a better skill then somone with a lower rank.
its grand the way ti is anyway imo
/not signed
/confused. I agree with both the OP and above;maybe work it out so there is no imbalance.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Since Luxon/Kurzick titles can be farmed without ever doing AB, the whole argument for is nullified.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Tell that to the 55's, shadow form sins, ans ss necros running around.
Sad thing is that I've seen them work on people. Me, I almost always have something that destroys them, or I just wait for a vital spell to wear off.

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pangarna Omega
That's actually a great idea.
/signed
Maybe in your delusioned little world it is..

Do you have any idea of the concept of game balance?

/notsigned for obvious reasons

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Tell that to the 55's, shadow form sins, ans ss necros running around.
I farm suxon wammos with my 55 monk.

AshenX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Orange County, CA.

Black Flag

R/

The basic logic of the OP's idea holds up...the skills can be earned through AB so using them in AB makes sense. Unfortunately they just arent balanced for PVP. Giving that much of an advantage to someone who is more advance in the title than another player would be inappropriate. This is particularly true since the fastest way to advance your title (FFF) actually has nothing to do with AB.

Sorry

/not signed

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by AshenX
The basic logic of the OP's idea holds up...the skills can be earned through AB so using them in AB makes sense. Unfortunately they just arent balanced for PVP. Giving that much of an advantage to someone who is more advance in the title than another player would be inappropriate. This is particularly true since the fastest way to advance your title (FFF) actually has nothing to do with AB.

Sorry

/not signed
Well.... no.... If /rank'ing with a phoenix did non-trivial damage(for example) in HA, i would /resign

Sethellington

Sethellington

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

nn

N/

SY! in alliance battles is kinda overkill don't you think?

Proff

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

/signed

Sure why not have chaos for the first couple hours it's released and then see it changed back to the way it was. Might make AB "fun" for a few mins.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Tell that to the 55's, shadow form sins, ans ss necros running around.
[Chilblains], [Signet of Disenchantment], [Disenchantment], [Rending Touch], [Rending Aura]...

Farming builds are very easy to counter. If you don't want to, they'll keep using those builds there.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Whoa, great example why GW devs shouldn't look at Sardecal!

Mitchel

Mitchel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Almkerk, The Netherlands

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
[Chilblains], [Signet of Disenchantment], [Disenchantment], [Rending Touch], [Rending Aura]...

Farming builds are very easy to counter. If you don't want to, they'll keep using those builds there.
I think only 1 and 4 are usable.

I voted yes because I want m0ar imba shit in PvP.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
Sometimes I wish I had one of the "At first I was like .. Then .. I lol'd" pictures stored on my imageshack account...
Like this?


Anyho, on-topic...
no
lol
/notsigned

keep the crap coming, Sardelac!

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchel
I think only 1 and 4 are usable.

I voted yes because I want m0ar imba shit in PvP.
All are usable, but you have to figure out how to use them.

Vale Todo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Theres no really telling how imbalanced this would make AB until it is tested, so how about ANet makes it legal to use Alliance skills in AB only for a weekend to see what happens ?

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
All are usable, but you have to figure out how to use them.
They're useable in the sense that you can put them on a skillbar and use them.

They're not useable in the sense that they simply suck and are far inferior to other available enchant hate options. Especially Disenchantment - a horrible, unwieldy skill that really cannot do what enchant removal needs to do to save its life (hint - removing random enchants from a random target does nothing)

T1Cybernetic

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk, Nr Earth

Alternate Evil Gamers [aeg]

N/

I was gonna post some useful text but then i got high.

I was gonna post some counter argument, but then i got high.

I was gonna post some random snitz about ab but then i got high.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
[Chilblains], [Signet of Disenchantment], [Disenchantment], [Rending Touch], [Rending Aura]...

Farming builds are very easy to counter. If you don't want to, they'll keep using those builds there.
Chilblains is targeted now; it only works against Spell Breaker or Shadow Form if the person is next to someone else (unlikely if they're using the skill right).

Vilaptca

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I think AB would be full of /W using SY!...it would be pretty lame.

/not signed

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

AB is so bad anyway.

/whatev

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

It would be hilarious to try it as a weekend event.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
There are NPCs even in GvG.

If you want non-NPC PvP then youll have to goto like RA and TA... and even there you'll find Priests sometimes.

PvP in GW is like that.
I think you miss the point of pvp.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

I think that only the NPCs should be able to use the kurzick/luxon skills. If players could, it would be way imbalanced, and then anet will have to nerf those skills. Although that is not a bad thing, there will be waaaay to many QQ'ers about SY! being nerfed, which if nerfed, it will be nerfed so much that it will be like hell freezing over. Only thing to thaw that would be to nerf Ursan too.

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

Leave the PVE skills for what they are MADE for PVE.

ffs.