Patient spirit > RoF?

Sums it up pretty well. Hybrids in 4v4 don't have the bar space for dkiss, or a second heal skill at all. RoF ends up being a crappy red bars spell in more matches than I care to count, thanks to magebane, diversion, dshot, migraine, daze, signet of humility, knockdowns..... Unless you have moko's uninterruptable ZB, patient is a lifesaver. i agree 100% they're different skills, but please dont make totally uneducated statements like this.

RoF when used correctly is a perfect heal/migitator, and daze healer. its fantastic at cutting a spike into next to nothing, and when paired with a force or fat heal, is enough to keep any red bar at full (if you're playing well).

patient is a totally different beast. enchant, allowing many synergies, its a fat heal, and fast in both cast and recharge. it wont help you at all if you dont preprot it, and isnt realiable at all in a spike situation.

the main reason people like patient, is its panic capabilities. bad players call rof a panic button, whereas anyone who plays a half decent monk knows otherwise. its patient, being spammed when dazed, or about to be kd'ed that looks silly. its best used on a condition stacked deep wounded target, because its heal is unaffected by dw. its also best used when you're casting it as a pusher when the team has mixed statuses, to keep the team at full red.

spamming any skill=bad playing, so patient is no different. while rof and patient are two totally different skills, i still feel that rof reigns superior in most high end pvp, and even low end arenas though, due to the amount of drop of a hat spikes nowadays.

also.. please drop the " i love patient+dismiss or dwanyas" thing. if you need to waste 10e for that nonsense.. ouch. (unless you mean no one ever has enchantments on your team.. in which.. you might want to rethink your team layout/skill synergy...) dismiss alone is enough heal if you're doing your job..

the main reason people like patient, is its panic capabilities. bad players call rof a panic button, whereas anyone who plays a half decent monk knows otherwise. its patient, being spammed when dazed, or about to be kd'ed that looks silly. its best used on a condition stacked deep wounded target, because its heal is unaffected by dw. its also best used when you're casting it as a pusher when the team has mixed statuses, to keep the team at full red. As a panic button heal, Patient Spirit is less than mediocre. In the two seconds it takes to activate its heal, any panic cast of patient will only get you a dead ally. Suggesting it is used in such a manner says 1 thing magicarp:

respectfully, you either never have used it or don't know how to.

If you are bunking your prots against a spike, patient won't save anything.

Also, Patient Spirit is not immune to deep wound. Check recent skill balances for further information on the subject.

GGs

As a panic button heal, Patient Spirit is less than mediocre. In the two seconds it takes to activate its heal, any panic cast of patient will only get you a dead ally. Suggesting it is used in such a manner says 1 thing magicarp:

respectfully, you either never have used it or don't know how to.

If you are bunking your prots against a spike, patient won't save anything.

Also, Patient Spirit is not immune to deep wound. Check recent skill balances for further information on the subject.

GGs less than mediocre if you're playing it well i suppose. but the meta right now calls out all the scrub monks from their caves, spamming pat like its the only skill they have, making its reputation less than.. meh.

i may have missed the update on it not bypassing dw, but all that does, is make me like it less.

also, the meta is, and has been time lapse, or active spikes, which pat does nothing for, and if you're the lone monk out there, i feel for you in those situations if you left a small passive prot for a fat delayed heal.

someone also mentioned that the average bar only packs one main heal...
this entire argument is moot if you know how to play dismiss and rof well, seeing as many zb bars rarely need that slam heal zb offers if they monk well.

and as a final note..

playing almost any bar, im not going to feel like swapping my weapon sets from +30hp to 20% ench back and forth, just for one skill (pat), so i can have it go off faster. a 3 second delay is a bit much to wait for when you're really in a pinch, and thats where rof would outdo the skill tenfold. (imo. i understand why you all like pat, im just saying why i would choose rof over it).