Anyone else notice in the last week that the whisper bots have returned to the highly populated towns like Kamadan, LA and Great Temple of Balthazar?
These whisper bots are promoting gold-selling websites as usual, so I've been reporting each one.
Funny how these bots came back almost immediately after the Taiwan region was reconnected to the rest of the Guildwars population.
Coincidence? I think not...
Welcome back Taiwan!...Oh, and the whisper bots have returned
evilseabass
jimme
I actually never thought about it that the whispers were finally gone, untill I got whispered yesterday in LA.
So.. I guess it's not a coincidence
So.. I guess it's not a coincidence
Lord Of Fotuna
But thats a very vague opinion, maybe Americans thought it could work out?
Since they are American Sites???
Since they are American Sites???
GloryFox
I have to agree with the OP, it was all quiet until "they" were allowed access again.
Thierry2
Yes i have to agree. I also started to get whispers again.
Esan
Report, report, report and ban.
The price of liberty is eternal vigilence.
The price of liberty is eternal vigilence.
Molock
I got a whisper too. Anet please block Asian countries from accessing American and European districts and prevent them from whispering us too 
I know, its mean and unfair...
I know, its mean and unfair...
upier
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I have to agree with the OP, it was all quiet until "they" were allowed access again.
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What is this - "I can be a racist idiot too - lesson 1"?
There is a bot issue.
Not a Taiwanese issue.
Any chance of getting that though our thick heads?
cgruber
It sucks for the legit players from those areas to suffer. It's too bad that their government sees scamming, annoyance, spam and general misconduct as an industry. The vast majority of all internet crap (botnets, spam, phishing) all comes from Asia.
cgruber
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"They"?
What is this - "I can be a racist idiot too - lesson 1"? There is a bot issue. Not a Taiwanese issue. Any chance of getting that though our thick heads? |
Renowned Spartan
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"They"?
What is this - "I can be a racist idiot too - lesson 1"? There is a bot issue. Not a Taiwanese issue. Any chance of getting that though our thick heads? |
hippo942
lol I didnt even notice the whisps had gone 
but that has to be the reason
but that has to be the reason
Ravious
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"They"?
What is this - "I can be a racist idiot too - lesson 1"? There is a bot issue. Not a Taiwanese issue. Any chance of getting that though our thick heads? |
I love Lord of the Rings Online's way to deal with this. You can right click on a name in Chat, then go to Report as Spammer and automatically get a ticket, AND it auto ignores them. People play games where you see how low a trouble ticket you can get for reporting a gold spammer.
The easier it is for us to report, the better. Trying to type out Wwsedgjlwef is no fun.
upier
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Grow up, stop QQ'ing, and stop playing the race card. It only makes you look like more of a retard.
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The OP could have presented that he hadn't been harassed by gold spammers in quite some time.
Lately has has seen the return of gold spamming.
He has noticed this after the Taiwan servers had been reconnected.
This way:
1. we establish the problem
2. we establish the TIME FRAME of this problem
3. we don't make ANY kind of accusations
And what we have seen here is the problem being attributed to a certain population.
That's why it's an issue.
StormDragonZ
Can't say I've gotten any of those yet. Then again, I haven't been lingering in towns or outposts too much.
Bryant Again
I will gladly take a few more gold-selling whispers rather than exclude multiple regions of the playerbase.
Yes, I've felt an increase, but feel that it's for the best. Then again I'm usually set to off-line anyways.
Yes, I've felt an increase, but feel that it's for the best. Then again I'm usually set to off-line anyways.
Shuuda
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I will gladly take a few more gold-selling whispers rather than exclude multiple regions of the playerbase.
Yes, I've felt an increase, but feel that it's for the best. Then again I'm usually set to off-line anyways. |
Twonaiver
agree with the op, i had a silence in the whisper for item selling while they where away, dont think its a coincidence, i rather not have the entire region than people selling stuff for bucks.
Siirius Black
Well, it seems that you guys missed the point. Originally they were blocked because the Taiwaneese goverment set up a rule that made it ilegal for anet to ban accounts for selling gold or EULA violations for accounts playing in servers in taiwan.
Anet closed the district and started to shut down all servers in taiwan. Once that was done, they transfered all the accounts to US servers. That way they can ban the accounts for those botting or Spamming.
I'm sure anet did not wanted to lose all those players in taiwan. They just closed while they transfered the accounts over here to have more control.
Anet closed the district and started to shut down all servers in taiwan. Once that was done, they transfered all the accounts to US servers. That way they can ban the accounts for those botting or Spamming.
I'm sure anet did not wanted to lose all those players in taiwan. They just closed while they transfered the accounts over here to have more control.
AshenX
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"They"?
What is this - "I can be a racist idiot too - lesson 1"? There is a bot issue. Not a Taiwanese issue. Any chance of getting that though our thick heads? |
Both the OP and the individual you quoted are merely expressing an opinion as to the source of a problem based on observation and analysis of said observations.
Even if those observations are at best circumstantial evidence noting them and expressing opinions based on them is not racism. In fact such opinions are a common sense reaction to certain patterns of activity. For example:
Joe is a member of my circle of friends....
Whenever joe came over to my house with my other friends all of my beer disapeared.
Joe moved away and immediately the beer disapearance ceased.
Joe came back for an extended visit. The beer disappearances immediately started up again.
Under such circumstances it would be only logical to suspect Joe of taking my beer.
The OP posted that he didnt, "think," that it was a coincidence and stated that the whispers began in a time frame comparable to the reconnect of the Taiwan region which obviously roused his suspicions.
The individual you quoted merely agreed with the OP's suspicions.
I am sorry but deciding to assign racist motives in a situation where the statements were based on observable patterns of activity.
Point..
Did the gold seller whispers slow or stop during Taiwan's absence (It seemed so to me) ?
Did they return after Taiwan's reconnect (I'm not sure havent PVP'd in a few days)?
If the answer to those questions is yes then Gloryfox's statement is merely a statement of fact.
Last point..
calling someone names because they have stated an opinion based entirely on observable patterns of activity and then accusing that person of racism in order to discredit their observations and opinions is the weakest possible sort of debate tactic. You cant disprove their point or even offer a counter to their conclusions so you attempt to smear them in an effort to redirect the argument away from their conclusions. I am sorry to say that the only person guilty of prejudicial statements here is you.
Konig Des Todes
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Actually this could have been done in a different way.
The OP could have presented that he hadn't been harassed by gold spammers in quite some time. Lately has has seen the return of gold spamming. He has noticed this after the Taiwan servers had been reconnected. This way: 1. we establish the problem 2. we establish the TIME FRAME of this problem 3. we don't make ANY kind of accusations And what we have seen here is the problem being attributed to a certain population. That's why it's an issue. |
Anyways, I havn't had a gold seller PM in a long time, before the whole Taiwanese separation and I still have yet to get one, and I hang out in the highly populated towns the most. Not saying that it isn't going on, but I think there is a chance that there were bots pming people between the time of Taiwan being separated and re-united. That, or that the people have stopped to let things blow over and now have restarted with Taiwan back, to try to blame it all on Taiwan and not themselves.
Aleta
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Originally Posted by Molock
I got a whisper too. Anet please block Asian countries from accessing American and European districts and prevent them from whispering us too
I know, its mean and unfair... |
pfft
rose of zg
omg i love the wisp thing ......
gime goooold beby ....or i will report you
gime goooold beby ....or i will report you
Fried Tech
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upier
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He is also not providing any kind of evidence to support his claims yet he finds that his intuition provides enough evidence to justify a statement that the appearance of bots and the reconnection of the Taiwanese servers are beyond a simple coincidence.
Maximumraver
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"They"?
What is this - "I can be a racist idiot too - lesson 1"? There is a bot issue. Not a Taiwanese issue. Any chance of getting that though our thick heads? |
guolisong
I'll be looking forward to meet you guys in hotsprings ;D
with all the cup cakes coming up yummy ohhh cheap too.
/sarcasm
LOL at the In game announcement... oooh right what do you call it coincidence?
learned helplessness
with all the cup cakes coming up yummy ohhh cheap too.
/sarcasm
LOL at the In game announcement... oooh right what do you call it coincidence?
learned helplessness
Zamorakk
I don't think the money selling sites are American or European, just because there are allot better ways of getting money irl there. In Taiwan etc. people havent got any choice, and there the money is worth more.
evilseabass
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Ummm....Taiwan is not a race. It is a geo-political entity. Race was never mentioned in the OP's post and the individual you are quoting used a pronoun referencing Taiwan not a racial group.
Both the OP and the individual you quoted are merely expressing an opinion as to the source of a problem based on observation and analysis of said observations. Even if those observations are at best circumstantial evidence noting them and expressing opinions based on them is not racism. In fact such opinions are a common sense reaction to certain patterns of activity. For example: Joe is a member of my circle of friends.... Whenever joe came over to my house with my other friends all of my beer disapeared. Joe moved away and immediately the beer disapearance ceased. Joe came back for an extended visit. The beer disappearances immediately started up again. Under such circumstances it would be only logical to suspect Joe of taking my beer. The OP posted that he didnt, "think," that it was a coincidence and stated that the whispers began in a time frame comparable to the reconnect of the Taiwan region which obviously roused his suspicions. The individual you quoted merely agreed with the OP's suspicions. I am sorry but deciding to assign racist motives in a situation where the statements were based on observable patterns of activity. Point.. Did the gold seller whispers slow or stop during Taiwan's absence (It seemed so to me) ? Did they return after Taiwan's reconnect (I'm not sure havent PVP'd in a few days)? If the answer to those questions is yes then Gloryfox's statement is merely a statement of fact. Last point.. calling someone names because they have stated an opinion based entirely on observable patterns of activity and then accusing that person of racism in order to discredit their observations and opinions is the weakest possible sort of debate tactic. You cant disprove their point or even offer a counter to their conclusions so you attempt to smear them in an effort to redirect the argument away from their conclusions. I am sorry to say that the only person guilty of prejudicial statements here is you. |
The cries of racism always make me laugh, because its the only counter-arguement they can make.
There is no racism here. I simply stated an opinion that I think the people who run these whisper bots are based in the Taiwan region, and I posted why I think that.
Operative 14
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The issue I have though is he is not accusing a specific person - Joe - but rather Joes.
He is also not providing any kind of evidence to support his claims yet he finds that his intuition provides enough evidence to justify a statement that the appearance of bots and the reconnection of the Taiwanese servers are beyond a simple coincidence. |
He is not providing evidence, I agree, but what is he providing evidence for? He is simply stating that since the Taiwanese accounts have been merged, the bots have come back. And from reading the replies, it sounds like he has back up for this statement.
No where does it say that all Taiwanese in general are all whisper botting gold farmers, but the observation is being made that since their merger bot whispers have increased. Whereas none of the European districts nor the American districts have had their service changed at all. Since the only thing that has changed lately is the Taiwanese connection, then logically the conclusion is to draw a correlation between the two.
I personally haven't been whispered by these new bots, but I'll be happy to whisper them back and ask them their country of origin.
bhavv
There is no racism on this thread. No one is hating or judging any particular race over the bot issue, they are speculating whether or not allowing a contry access to the game has increased the numbers of bots.
I havnt noticed any bots in the last few days, RA still seems clear to me.
Can the racism issue just like be dropped please?
A population isnt a race. Unfortunately, due to Taiwans government laws on not being able to ban accounts for botting problems, it is not difficult to realise that we would see more bots from this region because in their country, it isnt illegal.
Move over to Europe and America and people will think twice about breaking the rules that we have before botting or gold selling. However if you are in a country where it is allowed, and you want to do it, there is nothing stopping you.
I havnt noticed any bots in the last few days, RA still seems clear to me.
Can the racism issue just like be dropped please?
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And what we have seen here is the problem being attributed to a certain population.
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Move over to Europe and America and people will think twice about breaking the rules that we have before botting or gold selling. However if you are in a country where it is allowed, and you want to do it, there is nothing stopping you.
Dronte
Weird, I hadnt got even a simple whisper from a bot, neither now. Guess I'm just lucky.
Zahr Dalsk
A few people blocked off is a small price for the majority of the player base to have some peace. I hope they get locked back out again until either their government cooperates or their gold sellers get the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out of our game.
Stockholm
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The vast majority of all internet crap (botnets, spam, phishing) all comes from Asia.
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Russia is not an Asian country, and they are the biggest internet Bad Boy's.
Zahr Dalsk
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Russia is not an Asian country, and they are the biggest internet Bad Boy's.
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TrippieHippie89
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Originally Posted by upier
"They"?
What is this - "I can be a racist idiot too - lesson 1"? There is a bot issue. Not a Taiwanese issue. Any chance of getting that though our thick heads? |
but no, its rude and raciast to blame the people obiously at fault just because they happen to be a different race
put the race card back in the deck, shuffle well, and go cry in a corner somewhee
cgruber
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Russia is not an Asian country, and they are the biggest internet Bad Boy's.
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Granted it's not traditionally what Westerns think of as 'Asian'.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
A few people blocked off is a small price for the majority of the player base to have some peace. I hope they get locked back out again until either their government cooperates or their gold sellers get the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out of our game.
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Granted, it sucks that we're seeing in-game spam again, but it lets the real players play the game.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I ,*personally*, would allow my account to be locked if it were to help reduce the amount of spam from my country. However, that's my decision to make, and should never have to really be "decided" by ANet.
Granted, it sucks that we're seeing in-game spam again, but it lets the real players play the game. |
Clarissa F
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
Russia is not an Asian country, and they are the biggest internet Bad Boy's.
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EDIT: nice, cgruber. I gotta learn to type faster.