Olias' Minion Master Build

Quote: It's not about what I am capable of.
[Epeen]I actually have been among the 300 first Alpha Testers worldwide, playing Guild Wars since early 2004, having reached Legendary Vanquisher and Legendary Protector quite a while ago.[/Epeen]
(Although I am still a mediocre talented player at best.)

It's actually not about you either.
If you are not capable of H/Hing without a rez on your MM (like almost anyone else, even a scrub like me), then for christ's sake do it.
Use Healing Signet while being in Frenzy stance.
Triple Echo Mending.
Do whatever you like.
I. Don't. Care.

However, as a matter of fact, zillions of inexperienced players all around the world DO regard the Wiki as the Bible and Guru (and threads like this) as the Brain Trust of GW.
There actually is no right or wrong way to play GW.
All I did, was pointing out that your choice (Death Pact Signet on a MM) is a very questionable one (more questionable than the little sidenote you repeated 28 times would indicate), which quite some people do agree on.

I did it with a very neutral statement ("I would strongly suggest not to use Death Pact Signet on an MM bar.") directed at noone in particular.
If you feel that offended by contrary arguments, I feel very sorry for your fragile ego.
But unfortunately for you, we are living in countries (or a forum for that matter) with freedom of speech. So you gotta deal with it, whether you like it or not.
Welcome to the world of discussion forums.

[e]Interesting enough you say that 120 seconds are "nothing".
Then you say that you kill any monster group in less than 30 seconds.
So in 120 seconds you actually kill four (4) groups of monsters in Hardmode.

Which is nothing to you, using your own definition.
You also say that it is impossible to die twice in that time span (4 monster groups in HM).

So why would an overly skilled player like you need an additional sixth or seventh rez (not to mention that it is the riskiest one) on your MM, if everyone and their brother (even a scrub like me) can do it without? The problem is not so much that your minions are threatening but also the risk of losing all your minions at a time when you need them most.

Personally I'd happily take death-pact (seriously, DPS = Damage per second ¬_¬) on an MM. I want my SS to keep casting and my n/rt to keep healing. I'd say you'd be far worse off if they died. Even if you need to bring a res on your MM there are a lot better and safer choices out there than DPS. No matter how much you justify that your minions attacking you are not dishing out big damage, it doesn't matter. It is still an undesirable battle condition that can be easily avoided by choosing any other res for your MM, besides DPS. As an example, you can start slapping yourself lightly and say it is ok because it doesn't hurt much, but that is still a silly action. Having your own minions which your MM sac health, energy, time, for turn against you, in mid-battle, is silly in the same way. I have not seen anyone provide any good justification why having your own minions turn against you, is desirable, yet. Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007 17 Apr 2008 at 18:14 - 45 Quote: Originally Posted by Anime Divine ive been toying with mm builds so anyone know order of the vampire works on minions? well i can say it works sometimes as me being a war It does not. Order of Undeath works on minions, however (1) the hero AI uses it poorly and will sometimes sac themselves to death with it, and (2) it's a minion master skill, while your hero should be running a minion bomber build. Jagged Bones is the minion bomber elite of choice. --- @Dark Spirit/Spaced Invader. I give up. Do whatever you want. If you're not capable of H+Hing at the level where someone dying twice in 2 minutes is extremely unlikely, then don't use DPSig. I really wish you'd stop insisting that DPSig is a terrible idea because nobody is capable of playing at that level; because, in fact, many of us are capable of doing so, and DPSig is the best option for us. But I recognize that there's no hope of ever convincing you of this, so I'm not going to bother anymore. The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 R/ 17 Apr 2008 at 18:21 - 46 Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon @Dark Spirit/Spaced Invader. I give up. Do whatever you want. If you're not capable of H+Hing at the level where someone dying twice in 2 minutes is extremely unlikely, then don't use DPSig. I really wish you'd stop insisting that DPSig is a terrible idea because nobody is capable of playing at that level; because, in fact, many of us are capable of doing so, and DPSig is the best option for us. But I recognize that there's no hope of ever convincing you of this, so I'm not going to bother anymore. If you are good enough that you don't die in PvE, why are you wasting a slot on Death Pact Signet? Henchies have 2 res signets, that should be more then enough. That is the best option. DarkSpirit Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Redmond 17 Apr 2008 at 18:22 - 47 Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon @Dark Spirit/Spaced Invader. I give up. Do whatever you want. If you're not capable of H+Hing at the level where someone dying twice in 2 minutes is extremely unlikely, then don't use DPSig. I really wish you'd stop insisting that DPSig is a terrible idea because nobody is capable of playing at that level; because, in fact, many of us are capable of doing so, and DPSig is the best option for us. But I recognize that there's no hope of ever convincing you of this, so I'm not going to bother anymore. Maybe we are just playing 2 different modes of the game. In NM, it is easy to stay alive with any half-decent build. In HM, henchies/heroes DO die from time to time and dying the first time (with DP) makes them even more likely to die a second time during a tough battle. And in NM, I wouldn't even bother with putting a res on my MM. I dont even need a res on my MM in HM as a matter of fact and neither does Sab. Anyway, put DPS on your MM for all I care, some of us just dont think that is the best res for a MM that's all. Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 D/W 17 Apr 2008 at 20:59 - 48 Im pretty sure i see the problem with these people arguing about DPS being bad. you guys are obviously thinking of the skill in its origional form. look at its current form: Quote: Resurrect target party member with your current Health and 15..83% maximum Energy. The next time that ally dies within 120 seconds, so do you. they added a duration. the duration is 2 minutes. 2 minutes is short. remember you read your skill updates guys. what was that? a year ago? DarkSpirit Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Redmond 17 Apr 2008 at 22:04 - 49 Quote: Originally Posted by Coloneh Im pretty sure i see the problem with these people arguing about DPS being bad. you guys are obviously thinking of the skill in its origional form. look at its current form: they added a duration. the duration is 2 minutes. 2 minutes is short. remember you read your skill updates guys. what was that? a year ago? We know its current form. 2 minutes is a long time in a battle against 1 mob assumming proper pulling and aggro. Typically my entire battle from beginning to the end, in HM against 1 mob, lasts shorter than 2 minutes. By then, we would know who wins the battle. You should try timing yours. Spaced Invader Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 17 Apr 2008 at 23:31 - 50 Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon @Dark Spirit/Spaced Invader. I give up. Do whatever you want. If you're not capable of H+Hing at the level where someone dying twice in 2 minutes is extremely unlikely, then don't use DPSig. I really wish you'd stop insisting that DPSig is a terrible idea because nobody is capable of playing at that level; because, in fact, many of us are capable of doing so, and DPSig is the best option for us. But I recognize that there's no hope of ever convincing you of this, so I'm not going to bother anymore.

Besides, MM's attract a fair bit of HM agro, so there's an equal or greater threat of a DPS caster dying from the rez & subsequent death of the MM. The result is the same - two dead party members and 10 minions on the loose. And good MM builds usually offer a certain amount of protection for the MM. Sab's MM seem to have Protective Spirit which he can also use on other team members who need it besides himself. Zingeri's MM has Aura of the Lich and my MM usually gets bonded. Using DPS would increase the risk of the MM dying, not just from direct damage, but now, also from DPS chaining. One sign of a good team build would be to protect the MM, rather than putting him in greater risk. A MM is a useful team member to have around in most PvE places for both damage and damage mitigation. Antithesis Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 BrisneyLand Sphincter Says [What] W/ 23 Apr 2008 at 00:49 - 72 Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSpirit The problem is not so much that your minions are threatening but also the risk of losing all your minions at a time when you need them most.