April 17 update
Yggdrasil
Eremite's Attack and Mystic Sweep were both nerfed to 1 sec cast. This seems like it'll mess up Lyssa builds quite a bit, now that Scythe Mastery doesn't have any >1 sec activation skills. Any ideas on workarounds/new builds?
zling
this will especially hurt all those A/Ds, R/Ds and W/Ds Scythers out there.
will be interesting what HA N00Bs will run now that SWay got nerfed
will be interesting what HA N00Bs will run now that SWay got nerfed
Teutonic Paladin
This update pretty much killed A/Ds too :-D
jimmyboveto
This will hurt the dervs... eh, doesn't effect me too much but I did feel that there was a need for some type of nerf.
Yggdrasil
The point of this thread, is discussion of the Dervish changes and workarounds for Lyssa builds (which I believe is the only build adversely affected).
On topic, was the change due to non-scythe builds, or were the /D's using scythes? Because I would wonder if changing them from "melee" skills to scythe ones would have helped?
On topic, was the change due to non-scythe builds, or were the /D's using scythes? Because I would wonder if changing them from "melee" skills to scythe ones would have helped?
Div
I don't see how this affects PvE at all. Since you're rarely spiking anything, the 1/4 means nothing.
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
I don't see how this affects PvE at all. Since you're rarely spiking anything, the 1/4 means nothing.
You can no longer use the them to target skill activation with Lyssa or put three of them on your bar in place of an IAS.
Coloneh
its not really a big deal. still cuts scythe attack time more than half.
Div
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
You can no longer use the them to target skill activation with Lyssa or put three of them on your bar in place of an IAS.
Yeah you can.
Axel Zinfandel
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This month's update is unique. It is a "temporary tournament update" targeted at the final cash-prize tournament, which will take place at the end of April. The skill changes are temporary and will be in effect for only two weeks. They are all geared toward addressing the most immediate issues with Guild Battles.In order to reduce the possible negative impact on PvE play, we will be reverting the changes on May 1st. For future tournaments, we aim to focus on changes that will not impact PvE play at all. Quoted from here: (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel..._17_April_2008)
Avatar Exico
o so what. So two scythe attacks got nerfed big deal. More Scythe skills out there to use for R/D, A/D, W/D. Just to find ones that will suit your character situation. The Dervish professions dont need to worry about those skills got more in their arsnal to use. Now if Chilling Victory got nerfed than that whole different situation so many PvE builds use that skill dish out heavy dmg.
arsie
The fact that it is a "temporary tournament update" is probably the most significant thing here. Could it be the beginning of a two tier system? One set of nerfs for PvP and one for PvE?
Dr Strangelove
1/4 second is clearly the end of the world. Everyone delete your dervish and spam riverside.
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
Yeah you can.
Before nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wack -> dead margonite
After nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wa--oops missed it\
1 second casts are complely unhittable now.
No its not the end of the world, but it definitely drops Lyssa back to a tier 2 elite. I can't imagine choosing it over Wounding, Meladru or VoS now.
After nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wa--oops missed it\
1 second casts are complely unhittable now.
No its not the end of the world, but it definitely drops Lyssa back to a tier 2 elite. I can't imagine choosing it over Wounding, Meladru or VoS now.
Div
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
Before nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wack -> dead margonite
After nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wa--oops missed it\
1 second casts are complely unhittable now.
No its not the end of the world, but it definitely drops Lyssa back to a tier 2 elite. I can't imagine choosing it over Wounding, Meladru or VoS now. So you're saying you used to be able to twitch a 1 second spell with a 3/4 attack?
After nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wa--oops missed it\
1 second casts are complely unhittable now.
No its not the end of the world, but it definitely drops Lyssa back to a tier 2 elite. I can't imagine choosing it over Wounding, Meladru or VoS now. So you're saying you used to be able to twitch a 1 second spell with a 3/4 attack?
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
So you're saying you used to be able to twitch a 1 second spell with a 3/4 attack?
make sure you factor in HoF, but thats still kinda crazy
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
So you're saying you used to be able to twitch a 1 second spell with a 3/4 attack?
Not twitching but predicting - before you ask, no you can't just hit it .25 seconds earlier because you're reacting to triggers - eg Spellbreaker at 80% hp in the case of the margonites above.
The ias is still usable though, 11 attacks every 12.5 seconds instead of 11.5 so I take that one back. I'd assumed adding a 1/4 second to two elements of the cycle would have resulted in bigger changes but they didn't.
The ias is still usable though, 11 attacks every 12.5 seconds instead of 11.5 so I take that one back. I'd assumed adding a 1/4 second to two elements of the cycle would have resulted in bigger changes but they didn't.
Antithesis
Doesn't affect me, i prefer Vow of Strength.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
Also I've never seen Eremite's and Mystic Sweep as a replacement for an IAS in any Dervish build.
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
1/4 second is clearly the end of the world. Everyone delete your dervish and spam riverside.
If Avarre tells me off I'm blaming you.
Faer
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
in place of an IAS.
You should be bringing an IAS. Always.
Age
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Originally Posted by zling
this will especially hurt all those A/Ds, R/Ds and W/Ds Scythers out there.
will be interesting what HA N00Bs will run now that SWay got nerfed
Why would they want to use scythe anyway as thier own weapons are better for them can't 14 in scythe attribute.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Age
Why would they want to use scythe anyway as thier own weapons are better for them can't 14 in scythe attribute.
I agree with you on the R/D's and W/D's, but A/D offered critical hit galore. Critical hits on Scythes are extremely powerful, and so are telespikes.
And Daggers aren't really good these days apart from 12345678 (Which is extremely easy to prevent a kill by, and Moebius Blossom. In PvP, Scythesin is a superior choice, and again, the high crit chance makes it *quite* spikey. I got 127 damage per hit on the Master of Damage with no attack skills as proof, but nothing beats immunity to blindbots, condition-based snares and conditions in general... Either way, these skill changes weren't much.
Age
Yeah didn't hurt my Derv. and they are better for AoE not just direct attacks.
BludPacWarrior
can someone tell me what IAS is?....dont have a c,lue lol
Asyntyche
IAS stands for 'Increase attack speed', a common one used by dervishes is [Heart Of Fury], although there are lots out there, both PvE only and from other professions.
It is especially useful with a scythe due to the high amount of time between attacks (1.75s by default). Attacks with a set time can also be used to have the effect of an IAS, such as [Eremite's attack][Mystic Sweep][Protector's Strike]
BludPacWarrior
ok thank you....
 now i dont feel so left out
Arkantos
Update was reverted, thread is over.
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