Team Combo Skills

Combo Skills


A feature in all RPG's that No one ever seems to give 3 splits of a second to try is Combo skills.
Skills that involve 2 or more members of a group doing a special skill that requires both or more to do at same time. Best Example of the last time its been done would be Chrono Trigger.

For example: Chrono Spin Blade
Lucca : Fire

Separately they were decent skills, but you got a chance to put BOTH of those together and form a good combination skill. "Fire Blade"

But I have yet to see a game with that feature. It would be great step towards encouraging teamwork.

I’ve already come up with several combinations between classes. To further encourage Combo-skills, a damage bonus could be given. Each class will have Solo Skills, and also come with
a roster of Combo Skills.

Below is a Small list of Possible Skills,


Fighter/Tank/Warrior with Mage/Elementalist

Sword Tank - Single Target

Fire sword (Ele Enchants w/ flame ) ( Single strike + Fire explosion + Catch fire + Bonus damage)
Ice Sword ( Ele Enchants Ice ) ( Single strike + Ice explosion + Freeze ( slow down) + B. D)
Shock sword ( Ele enchants lightning) ( Single strike + Shock surge+ shock/stun + B.D.)

Multiple target/A.O.E.
Fire Slash - ( Ele enchants/ Sword leaves warrior's hands does AOE Damage with random sword Slash animation ) ( All Enemies in AOE Single Struck + Fire Explosion +Catch Fire + Bonus damage)
Ice Slash - Same as Above but Freeze ( Slow down)
Shock Slash - Same as above, but with Shock/Stun

Axe Tank - All skills same as Sword, but with axe

Hammer Tank - Single Target
Fire Hammer - (Ele enchants with Flaming) ( single strike + KD + explosion+ Catch fire+ B.D.)
Ice Hammer - Same as above, but Freeze
Shock hammer - Same as above, but Stun/Shock

Multiple Targets -
Fire Pound - (Ele enchants with Flaming) ( AOE strike, enemies in AOE KD + Catch fire + B.D.)
Ice Pound - (Same as above but Freeze/slowdown)
Shock pound -Same as above but Shock/stun

Assassin/Rogue/Ninja With Elementalist/Mage

Single Target

Firey Strike - ( Similar to Tanks sword/axe)
Icey Strike - ( Same as above)
Shock strike - ( Same as above)

Multiple Target -
Fire Daggers- ( Sin jumps high in air, throwing down Fiery Daggers) ( Damage similar to Tanks AOE Fire Damage)
Ice Daggers - ( Same as above, but Frozen)
Shocking Daggers - ( Same as above, but shock stun)


Tank/Warrior with Monk/ Cleric

Buff
"Dont give up! " Warrior shout ( Effects all allies in AOE )
+ xx% Protection bonus + Monk healing Regen spell + ( Healing/Prot bonus)



Single Target -

Smite sword ( Monk enchants Sword with Holy damage + D. B.)
Smite Axe - ( Monk enchants axe with Holy damage + D. B.)
Smite Hammer - ( Monk enchants hammer with Holy damage + D. B.)

Multiple Target -
Smiting strike - Same as Ele enchants but Smiting damage)


Tank/War + Assassin/Rogue

Single Target-
Double Strike - ( Tank throws Sin/rogue in air) ( Tank Rushes on foot, Sin strikes from mid air + [ Either at same time or back to back)

Multiple Target -

Multiple strike - Tank raises weapon /Sin in air, then pulls weapon out ( Same animation as the other Tank Sword/ Axe AOE attacks but minus the Elementalist Ice/Fire/Shock Enchantments.
Rogue- ( Launched high in air , Throwing Daggers down just like the other Rogue/Sin AOE daggers, ( Minus the Ele enchants) + Bonus Damage

(Basically while the Rogue/Sin is raining down daggers on the AOE targets, the Axe/ Sword is also slicing through enemies ALSO in AOE, at same time)

Hammer/Dagger Strike - Sin Jumps high / Tank raises weapon, raises Weapon and Strikes the Ground)
( AOE damage + KD + B.D) (Same attack, Minus Ice/Fire/Shock damage)
Meanwhile -Sin is launched in air, throwing daggers from above + Bonus damage.


Pinned Strike - Sin throws Down daggers at the Targets Feet, Pinning target to ground)
Tank - Unleashes several cool looking blows

Ranger/ Archer + Tank/Warrior

Piercing Blow - Ranger/Archer - Fires Single Arrow In to target chest
Hammer warrior- Follows after with a hammer directly on the center of the arrow
Shoving the arrow in deeper, causing a Deep wound type effect, + Bonus damage.

Pinned Strike - Same as with Tank and Rogue/Sin but Ranger instead of Sin/Rogue

Delayed Arrow - Ranger shoots arrow in air
Tank Hits ground with hammer causing knockdown on to Back
(arrow drops and lands on target foes head, after knockdown)

Rogue/Sin and Ranger/Archer

Piercing Kick - Ranger shoots Arrow into target chest
Rogue/sin - Roundhouse kicks the arrow deeper into Chest, Deep wound + B.D.

Delayed arrow - Ranger - Shoots arrow high into air
Rogue/Sin - Sweep kicks target foe onto back
Arrow falls shortly after on to targets head

Ranger & Elementalist -
Same Thing as the Sin/Tank
Ele Enchants arrows, Similar damage/ B.D., similar effect



Monk / Cleric + Elementalist/Mage

FireWall - Monk - AOE all allies + Physical defense % F
Ele/Mage - AOE all allies + Fire Shield ( Enemies that walk through wall, Catch fire)

Ice wall - Same as Firewall, but enemies are frozen/ slow down

Shock wall - Same as above, but enemies get stunned/shock.

That’s all I could come up with for now.
But It would also be possible to do Tank+ Tank or Sin + Sin or Ele+ Ele Skills
But I’m jus giving out basics.




The Basics of How this Works PVP/PVE



The biggest problem to this idea is to how can you coordinate between 2 or 3 people that ya want do a certain skill. So after some thinking I’ve come up with ways to make this possible.

1. Say Tank / Sin wants to do Multi Strike, but if they are focused on 2 targets, its not easy to re-coordinate attacks. Possible, but not easy, not really fun either.

2. Combo Skill Requirements -
a. If Single Target - Attackers must have Same target
I.E. Sin / tank Must be focused on same target.
b. Sin Chooses Skill, and Tank will click on the icon for the same Combo skill, activating skill

OR

a. Sin/ Tank can be on separate Targets, and whoever Request the Combo Skill
chooses target.

b. 1st person to request the Combo Skills is " in Charge " He gets to pick the target"
I.E. If Sin Picks Target 1, and Tank accepts, the tank will " Auto-target" to the target that the Sin
has chosen.

c. Same falls for any Target based attack. Either Ele and tank, or ele and sin, or Monk and tank

d. If Multiple target/ AOE. - Whoever requests First is In charge of Target, and allies will "auto-target"

e. Friendly AOE/ Multiple Target - Whoever requests first is in charge.


Basics to how it works.

1. First person clicks on available Combo Skill,
2. Combo Skill will light up when available
3. Combo Skill will be Grayed out when not available

a. When First person clicks on a combo skill
b. The 2nd / 3rd persons Correlating Combo skill lights up when available
and the BORDERS of it begin to glow to stand out, to signify that person wants to do a
combo skill.

( You may be able to find more efficient ways, but Thats best i could come up with , without
taking up too much screen space).






Also it is possible to do a 3 person Combo skill.

Example: Multi. Fire strike : Ele Enchants Sin/ Tank with Fire blade.
Tank tosses Fiery Axe at enemies in AOE
Sin is launched in air, and throws Fiery daggers down from above
in AOE + Bonus Damage

or Delayed Fire arrow Ele Enchants Ranger with Fire Tipped arrows
Sin/Rogue - Sweep kicks target foe on to back
Ranger- Fires into air, making arrow land on foes head, after sweepkick
( arrow lands on target foes head, explodes with Fire damage/ causes burning/ + Bonus damage



The other big problem is, like most games, each class has tons of different skills. With Chrono Trigger they took Chrono’s spinblade and Lucca's fire attack and turned it to one skill. You may not be able to do that, unless your group member brings that said skill.

I.E. to do Pinning Strike - Sin/rogue would have to bring - "Pinning Daggers"
Tank would have to bring " Hammer strike"

If one of them didn’t bring the required skill, your borked.

So the best way to fix that, is to not make a certain skill required for that Combo skill to work.
Keep the SOLO skills separate from the COMBO skills.
That way anyone, with that Combo- skill, unlocked can do that Combo-skill, no matter WHAT build the others are running.


How 2 person and 3 person Combos work.

2 person combo - I.E. Warrior and Rogue

1. Each person has their own set of Solo Skills
2. Each time a Solo skill is used, that person earns a "Skill point"
3. Enough skill points From both characters. I.E. Warrior and the Rogue, And they
will be able to do a Combo-Skill.

For Example. Let’s say the Rogue and the Warrior want to do the Combo-skill . Pinned Strike

Pinned Strike = 4 Skill points. 4 Skill points have to accrued from both people that want to perform this combo. I.E. The warrior and the rogue. Doesn’t matter WHO gets the skill points, as long as they BOTH have at least 1.

(3 Skill points from warrior, 1 skill point from Rogue,
or 2 skill points from warrior, and 2 from Rogue, or 1 warrior, and 3 from rogue)

As long as they both have combined 4 skill points they can do a COMBO-Skill. ( 2 person combo)

Solo Skills > Skill points > 2 person combo> Combo-points > Combo-Skills (3 person)


3 person combo. - I.E. Warrior, Rogue, and Ranger.

Let’s say they want perform the 3 person combo

After you build up Skill points from using your SOLO Skills, you can perform Combos ( 2 person combos)
When you perform a 2 person combo, you receive COMBO-points. With enough COMBO- points, you can then perform Combo-Skills ( 3 person combo).
All 3 characters that want to perform the Combo skills have to perform one, 2 person combo, with one of the 3 allies.

Warrior-Ranger
Ranger-rogue
Rogue-warrior
Etc. etc.

As long as each class has done at least ONE 2 person combo with any of the 3, you can activate the 3 person combo.

Maybe it doesnt HAVe to be done FOR GW 2, but maybe a possibility for another NCSOFT mmorpg

love the idea as long as its not in the current pvp or the gw2 pvp

/signed for pve though ^______^

Well having 2 professions and enchantments/stances/shouts/glyphs kind of render this useless. But it's a good idea for another game than GW.

And Tales of Symphonia also have that feature (during Unison attacks).

not necessarily though

Even with a 2nd class, you could still take advantage of the combos.

But as far as the enchants go, the enchants last for as long as the skill,
plus the target receives the ( fire/ice/shock explosion) so its a little MORE than just an enchant, but i do see what you mean.

I do agree, that it would be best to have a NEW game based on that theory..

YOU HEAR THAT NCSOFT game DEV's ... NEW game That uses this system

already being suggested by me several times XD

use search *g*

however /signed

it would be a great new feature for GW2, especially in combination with GW2's new Companion System it would be cool, but also as nice Party Feature to be able to invent in midst of a battle together with an other party member new Combo Skills and in party beign able, unlike not while playing solo with your companion to create Part Combo Skils with more than 1 Combo Party to make combos up to with max say 2-4 others to perform some really epic attacks which would be able to deal enormous damage, but would have also their requirements, which need to get met fist, to enable the party to perform combo attacks...

Combo attacks should be somethign really special and not something ,that should be spamable and perma usable ^^

ALso Combo Attacks should have for balance a chance for fail, because no one can perform Combo attacks together with other persons from the start on perfectly without any failures. Combo attacks should also require of all players which are part of the combo some good feeling for timing.
This way combo attacks will make more fun also too, especially for people, which play together over logn time, for such peopel iwll be combos then easier, because each one knows each others play style and so it should be easier to find together a good feeling for timing each others attacks


PS: this system should also not count only for physical combo attacks, also Magic Fusion, so double casting should count to it, performing Magic Combos to create together with others Fusion Spells of horrific might XD

Perhaps im just not gettign this but...

[Aegis][savannah heat]

[Kindle Arrows][Conjure Flame]

We alreayd have great skill synergy with 2nd professions and general team stratagies

this seems like it would make the game stale, the meta would never move 'cuase if you took XXX skill out that combo wouldnt work anymore...better stay with the same build...

We already have great synergy between skills.

But it would be great to mix skills to have others different ones, and are sued not once after another, but at the same time.

And for that i said this " Make the COMBO skills SEPERATE from solo skills,
I.E. you dont NEED say Fire enchantment equipped to give it to your ally.

I explained that closer to the end of my post.
This way it wouldnt MATTER what you brought with you, because the combo skills are seperate.

Combo attacks should be somethign really special and not something ,that should be spamable and perma usable ^^


Well like i said in my post, it is Special.
Lets say i wanted to do a 3 person combo skill.
1. would have to complete 2 solo skills,
2. The partner would have to complete 2 solo skills
3. When you use a solo skill you build skill points
4. when you build enough skill points, you can then use the
2 person combo skill
5. when you do combo skills, you earn COMBO points
6. when 3 characters earn enough Combo points, you can
then perform the 3 person combo skills.

So they cant be perma-spammed cuz they have to be earned.




ALso Combo Attacks should have for balance a chance for fail, because no one can perform Combo attacks together with other persons from the start on perfectly without any failures. Combo attacks should also require of all players which are part of the combo some good feeling for timing.
This way combo attacks will make more fun also too, especially for people, which play together over logn time, for such peopel iwll be combos then easier, because each one knows each others play style and so it should be easier to find together a good feeling for timing each others attacks

I agree and i did forget to mention that you should get rewarded the more that you perform each combo skill with the same person, its gets more likely to hit, and more damage.

and i like the idea, that if your doing it at first with new people, ya have a chance to miss on certain parts.



PS: this system should also not count only for physical combo attacks, also Magic Fusion, so double casting should count to it, performing Magic Combos to create together with others Fusion Spells of horrific might XD

And also i agree, but like i said, those are just a FEW , ive got more ideas.

We already have it. It's called synergy and team work.

... that doesnt make sense. We dont have it. If they had what i was asking for, i wouldnt be asking for it.

The point of this is to do a skill that you wouldnt be able to do normally, or doing a skill thats completely different from what from normal parameters.

maybe the end of heroway? /signed if only usable by players

Of course its usable by players... why wouldnt it be.

Complex sounding all it really results in is you click on a shiny box.. and the computer does the work for you.

you seem to never played goold old Console RPG's, like Breath of Fire 3/4, Grandia 1-3 or Legend of Legaia 2 ? Games, where you perform together with your team mates mighty attack series and epic magic spells, which your own character ALONE would be never able to perform.

We talk about Skills, where more than 1 Character has to unify their powers, to create together Attacks and Spells. This is a feature, that absolutely don't exists yet in Guild Wars. and it can't be compared with simple "team work" and cheap Synergizes of single certain Skills, which are in combination strong, but nothing NEW.


When I talk about Fusion Spells for example, then I mean, that 2 or more casters have to perform perfect timed in the same time window some spells, which would create at the end ,when the castigns are over a complete new Spell, which would be stronger, than the 2 initial combined spells alone with a complete new effect.


This would be especially an epic feature for Elementalists.

Lets say we make some 2 Person Fusion Spells, so more persons so harder is it naturally to time all spells good enough...

For example we combine now Double Dragon with Ride the Lightning, the result of the Fusion Spell would be then "Dragons of Lightning and Thunder"

This Spell would create then 2 air elemental Dragon Spirits with would attack then all foes in front of you in a wide line each for Lightning Damage.

Similar to this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKbv56ACEfg
At 1:10+, just then with 2 of them, 1 blue for Thunder, 1 yellow for the lightning ^^ Ahh, good ol' Grandia 2 ^^

If I wanted that, I would play Kingdom Hearts and use Trinity.

And we already have it via certain things.
Discord Spike for instance.

Oh we have it, you just don't know how to build your team with synergy in mind. Have a rit? Take an offensive weapon spell and put it in your physical damage dealers. Use spirits that complement your teammates' builds, etc. There are so many examples of skill synergy that it's mind-boggling how you don't see it.

Why the hell would they implement an overly-complicated system where using two particular skills together generates a new effect, when in our current system, there are all sorts of combinations you can come up with for every skill in the game. Giving us stupid combos like, "If you use x when I use y, we'll make a fire and ice whirlwind of d00m" is just the devs playing the game for you, by telling you what skills to bring. Giving us combos like, "I'll use deep freeze to snare the mob while you drop Savanna Heat on them, and our dervish will be bashing away while buffed with our rit's Splinter Weapon," promotes creativity, communication, and thinking outside of, "I'm taking x, who's taking y so we can get the secondary effect?"

I think combo skills would be an excellent addition to the gaming mechanics of Guild Wars. To me personally this is what "PvE" only skills should've truly been. Not just overpowered "generic/broad" purpose spells.

Can you imagine two sins doing a Team Combo? Would look cool as hell, but too imba.

Possibly if the effects are not very significant, I would /sign this.

This is an insanely good idea, but i doubt anet will add it

Methinks this thread is proof why ANet doesn't do everything the community says it should...

/notsigned

Plenty of skills "interact" with each other in this manner. [Arc Lightning] and [Chilling Winds] are two examples. Using Arc Lightening correctly with a combo with a water ele doubles its damage output. If you want "godly" combos that do 100s of damage in one shot... you are playing the wrong game. GW is about creating a balanced game... not creating the ability to deal big time damage.

You know, that we talk about GW2!! and not about GW1, or ????

You can't compare GW1 with GW2, when GW2 WILL HAVE a completely NEW SKILL SYSTEM.

Mostly no skills which we know from GW1 will move in their functions 1:1 over to GW2, remember that !!!

Also your Example Skills have nothing together with real Combo Skills and Fusion Spells, what you list there are just only 2 Skills with a little Synergy Effect, not more.

Synergy Effects are NOT = Combo Skills, which can be only performed, when you have others (NPC Companions/ Party Members), which you NEED to perform those Combo Skills/ Fusion Spells, because your character ALONE is UNABLE to perform them.

Skills with Synergy Effects only are something totally different, you can just put them in your Skill Bar, and when you use them in the right order, certain Skills will be more powerful, as when you use the Skills in the wrong order, what has simple somethign to do with Skill Knowledge and the players Gameplay Skills. Skills with Synergy Effects can perform any single Character. You don#t need the help of others, to perform those Skills, unlike you need it as said for Combo Skills and Fusion Spells.

Don't missunderstand the meaning of the word "combo"

Ok im gonna restate this again, i UNDERSTAND how synergy works, and making 2 different classes work together and throwing enchants and crap works.. im not talkin about that.

Im talking that 2 characters from 2 different classes or even the SAME classes doing a SKILL, that you CANT do normally, PERIOD.

For example, Lets take a simple Chrono Trigger move " X Slash "
Where chrono and FROG, charge enemy at same time, and the slice the opponent forming an X. Nor Chrono Nor FROG had a move called Slash.. or anything like that, but when they were put together they were given the move X slash.

The point of the combo-skills is to be able to do SKILLS that are ONLY available when ya do it in a COMBO.

For example, one move for a sin/tank.
Tank Runs at enemy target, swings low to the ground rising up, hitting target, knocking target into air.
Sin dashes/teleports OVER head of the target, and Kicks to the ground.

Moves that oculdnt be done with all THE SYNERGY in the world.

or For eles, say something basic as FireStorm, but you have 2 fire eles, you can do ca synergized Fire storm.
But what im talkin about would be say, your combo skill bar would come up with , ill call it " Meteor Rain" in which both eles cast and cause Bigger meteors, with more damage.

Something only accomplishable by doing Combo-skills, Thats not synergy.

AND ONCE AGAIN, ill re-state, You do not have to bring XX skill, the COMBO skills will be SEPERATE from solo skills.
Your COMBO-skills bar, will come automatically from any combo-skill youve learned, and will only be available meeting certain requirements.
1. Teammates proffessions.
2.Whether or not they have those skills learned yet.
3. Whether they are Spec'd to do that skill or not.
( i.e. an Ice ele wouldnt be able to do the meteor rain cast)

so again, NOT synergy.


And thank you Phoenix, for READING, and understanding what i mean

And even if GW couldnt use those skills, and im sure it's possible for GW 2, especially with the New Z angles, giving us the ability to jump and what not, or could be done for a new game all together.

I guess you've never played on a spike team have you IceUhk?

Or have been on any kind of properly set up Team Build of any kind.

All kinds of stuff already synergizes.

/not signed

.....sigh. I guess ya didnt read the follow up posts i made from peoples responses.

Im not talking about Synergy,
Im talkin about Skills that COULDNT be done before
and you would also receive BONUS damage for working together.

I know how synergy works, YES i have been in rainbow spike, in been in ranger spike, ive been in Blood spike, ive been in Air ele spike, and many many more. i know what a spike is i know how synergy works, im not talkin about synergy .

Im talkin about a system that rewards co-operation in which the 2 people and then 3, learn a skill that can only be done when you work as a team.

An example of one of the ones posted
Hammer war
Sin
Earth ele

Hammer warrior - Knocks opponent up into air with an upward blow
Earth Ele - Casts a spell to make big sharp spikes of Ground to form from the ground pointing up
Sin - dashes/teleports above opponent and kicks enemy target on to Earth elementalist Earth Spikes.

So you get a cool animation, and BONUS damage.

All of those skills individually, DONT exist, they are only available if you use team combo skills. NOT SYNERGY.

Thats the big difference.

Give it up, the op wants Chrono Trigger online while tard phoenix tries to convince me that I've never played Breath of Fire and Chrono Trigger, not to mention shitload of other jrpgs.
Well, I guess he knows better, rite? What would I know.

Well, synergy, even though you're not talking about it, comes to mind for many of us. That should be no surprise.

I'm quite satisfied with how synergy works, so much so that your suggestion doesn't really capture my interest or support.

/not signed

Skill synergy still includes bonus damage/effects with different classes. I'm not sure what the heck you are going on about since you say that you understand how synergy works and then make off the wall comments. Guild Wars is a team based game and by definition - already rewards player cooperation. There's no special name for "combination" moves because synergy by definition is cooperative action.

If you are for synergy only skills, it wouldn't really work out in GW's system or probably in GW2 because of how classes work. We still have a close approximation with the current system; an example might be cracked armor and things that affect cracked armor.

Well, if you have a KD warrior, a enchantment shatter Sin and a AoE Ele (Pick one Fire or Earth) wouldn't you get the same effect? Well, only less complicated and the guy gets knocked down instead of "Popped up into the air with a cool animation"

Warrior = Uses Back Breaker (or any some such KD skill) for a KD
Ele = Uses Sand Storm (or any some such extended time AoE dmg doer In the targets Area
Sin = dashes/teles in and Shatter Assults a Dmg combo

So yeah, what you want is already here, just in simpler terms, but if you really want to use your Idea just call the adrenilin build up stage of the Warriors chain his "earning of combo points"

Also there are over 1300 skills in game already, some of wich simply collect dust, we don't need new ones.

I shall again /not sign