why doesnt NCsoft make a better website?

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Today I am wondering why NC soft has left there site so boring bland and empty for so many years with all the billions of dollars they make every year they out of use some money to hire some web designers and make more visually appealing sites for there customers.
right now you can go ahead and compare plaync.com with blizzard.com and ncsoft.com with blizzard.com
there is really no comparison there, NC soft generates a bigger revenue than blizzard and they don't wanna spare a penny for web designers?
sorry if i posted this in a wrong area i couldn't find any other forum to post this.
i really think NC soft can reel in more customers by giving a first impression through there websites.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by warcrap
Today I am wondering why NC soft has left there site so boring bland and empty for so many years with all the billions of dollars they make every year they out of use some money to hire some web designers and make more visually appealing sites for there customers.
right now you can go ahead and compare plaync.com with blizzard.com and ncsoft.com with blizzard.com
there is really no comparison there, NC soft generates a bigger revenue than blizzard and they don't wanna spare a penny for web designers?
sorry if i posted this in a wrong area i couldn't find any other forum to post this.
i really think NC soft can reel in more customers by giving a first impression through there websites.
Actually I am not to sure about that...

World of Warcraft has 10 million + subscribers, at $15 a month. So 150 million dollars per month?

Keep in mind that this is just one Blizzard game. Blizzard also has the Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo series.

Edit - Although I agree a new website would be nice.

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blizzard.com looks pretty shitty to me...
the ncsoft sites look way better than blizzard, and WoW (WoW all flash, loads like crap in Opera)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by slaximus
blizzard.com looks pretty shitty to me...
the ncsoft sites look way better than blizzard, and WoW (WoW all flash, loads like crap in Opera)
are you joking man?

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Originally Posted by Toxage
Actually I am not to sure about that...

World of Warcraft has 10 million + subscribers, at $15 a month. So 150 million dollars per month?

Keep in mind that this is just one Blizzard game. Blizzard also has the Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo series.

Edit - Although I agree a new website would be nice.
since NCsoft has a wider array of games they must be making way more since lineage one and two generated over 20 million in one year.
plus with aion already released in some places it already has an extremely popular playerbase.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by warcrap
since NCsoft has a wider array of games they must be making way more since lineage one and two generated over 20 million in one year.
plus with aion already released in some places it already has an extremely popular playerbase.
As toxage said Blizzard make ~150 million per MONTH from wow, therefore way more than 20 million in 1 YEAR

EDIT: just took a look plaync.com does look poor, however the European one looks great, in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Dark Dragon
As toxage said Blizzard make ~150 million per MONTH from wow, therefore way more than 20 million in 1 YEAR

EDIT: just took a look plaync.com does look poor, however the European one looks great, in my opinion
still needs some improvement compared to blizzard.com

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Why are we talking about the website of NCSoft?
Why are we talking about the website of Blizzard?

Is there even a point of this thread?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by slaximus
blizzard.com looks pretty shitty to me...
the ncsoft sites look way better than blizzard, and WoW (WoW all flash, loads like crap in Opera)
This person is obviously biased towards Blizzard and WoW.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
Actually I am not to sure about that...

World of Warcraft has 10 million + subscribers, at $15 a month. So 150 million dollars per month?

Keep in mind that this is just one Blizzard game. Blizzard also has the Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo series.

Edit - Although I agree a new website would be nice.

Lineage 2 has 17 million players, and is the second best selling PC game of all time, after The Sims. NCSoft has money to burn. However, their website is perfectly fine.

EDIT: Lineage 2 source

Sims source

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In my honest opinion, the WoW site looks much worse than the plaync.com website(when it's not broken. At the moment it looks as if it's broken in Firefox 2.).

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This belongs in OTA xD.

Personally, I find the blizzard one a little better looking xD.

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I think plaync.com is better layed out. Blizzard.com from a first glance looks like it was made by a fan.

I'm not bias towards Blizzard, I just have this thing called personal taste.

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Lineage 2 has 17 million players, and is the second best selling PC game of all time, after The Sims. NCSoft has money to burn. However, their website is perfectly fine.

EDIT: Lineage 2 source

Sims source
Lineage II: The Chaotic Throne (Korean: 리니지 2) is a fantasy massive multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) for the PC, and a prequel set 150 years before [2] Lineage. It has become very popular since its October 1, 2003 launch in South Korea, reporting 610,918 unique users during the month of March 2007. The game is Windows Vista compatible, but requires Administrator level access.

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Originally Posted by Ork Pride
Lineage II: The Chaotic Throne (Korean: 리니지 2) is a fantasy massive multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) for the PC, and a prequel set 150 years before [2] Lineage. It has become very popular since its October 1, 2003 launch in South Korea, reporting 610,918 unique users during the month of March 2007. The game is Windows Vista compatible, but requires Administrator level access.
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Since its global launch in 2003, Lineage II has been an unprecedented sales success, with more than 17 million players worldwide
I would rather put more faith in a press release than a wiki entry.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ork Pride
Lineage II: The Chaotic Throne (Korean: 리니지 2) is a fantasy massive multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) for the PC, and a prequel set 150 years before [2] Lineage. It has become very popular since its October 1, 2003 launch in South Korea, reporting 610,918 unique users during the month of March 2007. The game is Windows Vista compatible, but requires Administrator level access.
I don't think that contradicts the story I linked at all. My story says 17 million copies have been sold since 2003. Your story says 610,000 people were playing in March 2007. Both are possible.

Lineage 2 is far more popular in Asia, while WoW is more dominant in the US, but that doesn't change than NCSoft made binfuls of cash off of it - enough to flush money down the privy that was Tabula Rasa without going out of business.

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Originally Posted by Jecht Scye
In my honest opinion, the WoW site looks much worse than the plaync.com website(when it's not broken. At the moment it looks as if it's broken in Firefox 2.).
What are you talking about? Neither site is broken in Firefox 2.

Also, the PlayNC site does look cleaner, more professional, but damn is it difficult to navigate and find exactly what I'm looking for. I'm not fond of the heavy Flash usage of the WoW site, but it's really easy to use.

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Originally Posted by -Loki-
I would rather put more faith in a press release than a wiki entry.
I highly doubt Lineage 2 has 17 million players.

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Originally Posted by Ork Pride
I highly doubt Lineage 2 has 17 million players.
There's a difference between 'current' and 'all-time' players.

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If WoW has 10 million currently subscribing I think it is very reasonable that they sold several millions to people who have played and didn't like it or played and got bored and stopped their account.

dr strangelove, I have no idea what the Lineage numbers look like, but WoW only has 2.5 in america and has a whopping 5 million in asia. seems to me it is dominating more in asia than anywhere else.

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My point, which seems to have been lost along the way, is that NCsoft is not poor, and is in fact one of the most successful PC game developers, certainly in the same league as Blizzard. Stop the slap-fights over WoW.

When I said Lineage 2 is more popular in Korea, I didn't mean that WoW has not also sold in Asia. I meant that Lineage 2 is primarily an Asian game that enjoyed almost no success in the US, while WoW did. I'm going to have to find my sources again for this too, aren't I....

http://www.massively.com/2007/11/08/...ption-numbers/

There, in particular, this:

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Originally Posted by My Link
Lineage
[World-Wide]: 1,143,699 subscriptions (-47,026 from 2007 Q2)
[North America]: 6,999 subscriptions (-2,094 from 2007 Q2)

Lineage II
[World-Wide]: 931,263 subscriptions (+27,007 from 2007 Q2)
[North America + Europe]: 78,953 subscriptions (-5,767 from 2007 Q2)

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I would love to see Play NC site totally disconnected from GW. As is I won't change my GW pw b/c I don't trust Play NC in the least, and I cannot file a report b/c the Play NC site doesn't recognize my account. If GW is issued through Play NC/NC Soft, I won't buy it. I like ArenaNet well enough, but NC Soft is about the worst game mfg. I've ever seen in the 28+ years I've been playing vid games.

EDIT: Actually, Microsoft is worst. Then PlayNC/NCSoft.

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Uh....... who cares?

I dont use the ncsoft website so couldnt give a monkeys what it looks like. This is a GW site were on afterall, so as long as this, and the official GW site look nice, everythings rosey in my book

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let me guess, because they hire an advertising agency who is resposible for designing the webpage and the contract isn't over?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Lineage 2 has 17 million players, and is the second best selling PC game of all time, after The Sims. NCSoft has money to burn. However, their website is perfectly fine.

EDIT: Lineage 2 source

Sims source
imo i think ncsoft website is pretty empty.
plus lineage 2 has 17 million registered accounts but not all of them are active.

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I don't see anything wrong with either site honestly. I can navigate and find anything I want on either site just fine.

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I prefer them putting money in good game servers rather then a good site...
And as long as you can find what you are looking for and don't go blind while searching the website, I don't mind what it looks like.
Of course, eyecandy sites are nice... but they need a lot of work and are sometimes very heavy.
Less is more ^^

And about Lineage II, don't forget about all those people playing on private servers.

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Originally Posted by Kakumei
There's a difference between 'current' and 'all-time' players.
no shit sherlock.

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are you talking about plaync.com or ncsoft.com ?

plaync.com (eu) is quite ok, maybe a little basic in terms of info on games, but if you wanna know more theres always the official site.
ncsoft.com appears to be broke for me on firefox 2.0, but i recall visiting it some time earlier and i had no complaints about it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang
This person is obviously biased towards Blizzard and WoW.
No, I love Blizzard. Played WoW since beta and WC1-3 for a long time, just their website (blizzard.com) looks like crap. Blue on black, no textures, just frames...they haven't changed it in forever. PlayNC and NCSoft look alot more professional, and more eye pleasing.

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Originally Posted by warcrap
are you joking man?
Nope, are you kidding me? You like those two sites. Come on the Blizzard one can be put together in 5 minutes by a 10year old.

WoW website is to heavy I find. But I do like how they have lore and all that jazz on their main site.

Navigation on both NC sites are fine for me.

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Sorry to say this but woulden't this be something to discuss at a ncsoft forum... to the op Ncsoft isen't Anet guildwars is made by anet....

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I like NCSoft's design. It's minimalist....

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isnt this like 100% matter of opinion.....?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper
Sorry to say this but woulden't this be something to discuss at a ncsoft forum... to the op Ncsoft isen't Anet guildwars is made by anet....
i could'nt find any other forum so this was the second best thing.

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Originally Posted by warcrap
i could'nt find any other forum so this was the second best thing.
Still doesn't make much sense coming to a GW fansite that NcSoft does not read. The appropriate place to make such comments are here and here.

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As a web designer myself I have to say the blizzard website is hideous and unprofessional. They rely on a single flash animation in relation to design and then use trash for the rest of the page.

They break most ergonomic/HCI and usability guidelines making the site a chore to navigate while alienating a large portion of people with disability and accessibility issues.

Black backgrounds with those text colours are a big mistake. Links and various other parts of the site have poor css and the website scales poorly in non-standard resolutions.

The NCsoft site is in no way perfect itself but from a design and usage point of view is much better than the blizzard one.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa
As a web designer myself I have to say the blizzard website is hideous and unprofessional. They rely on a single flash animation in relation to design and then use trash for the rest of the page.

They break most ergonomic/HCI and usability guidelines making the site a chore to navigate while alienating a large portion of people with disability and accessibility issues.

Black backgrounds with those text colours are a big mistake. Links and various other parts of the site have poor css and the website scales poorly in non-standard resolutions.

The NCsoft site is in no way perfect itself but from a design and usage point of view is much better than the blizzard one.
but my main point is that people are attracted to games with a decorative and flashy website.