ANet and the Rules

As I don't want to go Off Topic in this thread anymore than I already have done, I have made this seperate Thread.

As we have seen in the past, ANet seems to not really care about certain rules they have set. As I have already mentioned in the other thread, Andrew Patrick, an ANet employee, was in Rebel Rising[rawr] when they won last Months GvG Tournament. I know he was only there to help out with the [rawr] cup, but this raises the Question Why exactly he had to be in the Guild, because I am sure in organising this Event, they weren't exactly using Guild Chat to communicate. But I might be wrong who knows.

Now in the whole History of Guild Wars only one Guild has ever been Disqualified. That was [QQ]. They were accused of having manipulated the Guild Ladder back in the days where it was still important. After ANet had looked into this, they found out that, [QQ] didn't manipulate the Ladder at all, but were still disqualified from the Season for Racial Slurs and extensive Swearing in their Chats.

Does that seem fair? I am not saying QQ didn't deserve to be DQed, after all they did break a Rule, but so did [rawr]. Why does [rawr] leave unpunished.

I am sure People will tell me now that, even though Andrew Patrick was in the guild nothing has happened, but having been in ZoS myself for a short time, I can say that he does slip out Information every now and again. The one I remember was the "Fear Me!" Nerf. He probably didn't do it on purpose but it just shows that every now and again Info that should be kept secret isn't.
And Izzy let's out info about Skill Updates before they even are in game.

Now even though [rawr] has done great things for the Community they should still be punished for breaking a rule. If Angelina Jolie was found to have a Slave in her kitchen, does that exempt her from punishment by the law?

Why does Anet enforce some rules but not others?

So tell me what you all think about this. Should [rawr] get punished. Should the rules get changed?

no tane they shoudln't be punished ; rawr didn't over do it like QQ

Didn't overdo what? So your saying [rawr] should be left of the hook just because they are favoured?

P.S Hey Alex, hows you?

So do it a little is ok, but it's not if you overdo it?

Maybe I should break laws "a little" too.

It's only PvP...

As long as he had no part in the actual matches, then there is no problem. Less conspiracy theories, please.

do you drive over the speed limit? do you jay-walk?

Its no conspiracy theory, I am jsut stating it could have happened, and has happened before where ANet employees have leaked info which shouldn't have been.

And its "only" PvP? It's the only gametype in GW where there are real life prizes. It isn't much but still.

Is anyone seriously upset about this? Or is this just a bait thread?

It's more about the Principle than anything else.

Pretty much what he said. Also, wasn't there another thread or two like this that got closed?

Drama thread #2! Let's see how long it is before this gets closed.

For those who don't know, it's only a principle thread because [rawr] only used Andrew for RAWR Cup support.

Breaking the laws IS breaking the laws. You may not get caught everytime you do it. But that's NOT because you don't do it too much; you can and you WILL get caught if you break the laws, no matter how little you do.

Regarding the matter, I'd say that Anet could use a more refined rule. If it's ok to have an Anet employee in your guild while playing tournament as long as said employee doesn't take part in the tournament, MAKE SURE THE RULE SAYS EXACTLY THAT. Don't make a rule that says "You must not have Anet employee in your guild" and then manage to allow such thing to happen and try to clarify the rule case-by-case. It's just clumsy.

Whats beginning to surprise me is just how many people actually believe its ok for ANet to break their own rules, and that the potential "embezzelment" of $4000 is quite ok to let go? Its not drama ... its quite serious..... thats stealing.

Information I have recieved has indicated that AP changed his role within in ANet due in part to this fiasco. So, why havent management given the players the courtesy of explaining their actions THOUGHOUT this whole affair?

Why, THREE weeks laters are we still waiting? Why are we being stonewalled?

How deep does this rabbit hole go? As I mentioned in post 339 of the aforementioned thread... theres still HUGE suspicion that ANet staffers were heavily involved with Armbrace Duping. When ANet behave with this apparent lack of respect and arrogance to the player base, why then should we believe that corruption is not endemic within the Company? Feel cheated yet? I do.

I also seriously question the legality of ANets behaviour when $4000 is involved. I may be no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that when prizes of this amount are involved there are some protections. I also wonder what ANets Sponsors and Partners would have to say to this potential "insider dealing". I for one will be emailing them to ask their opinions.

Where are the assurances this has been properly dealt with? Where are the assurances that it wont happen again. Where are the assurances that it hasnt happened in the past?

This is a multi million dollar company...Fraud and embezzlement are serious accusations...ones which are in need of squashing or fixing.

I for one dont feel good about giving my money to a company that has the audacity to lie to me and then, to add insult to injury, stonewall me when theyre caught out.

To have it confirmed that AP and Izzy DO leak info, is to be honest, the final straw.

And the BITTERST irony......

ZoS is/was part of The ULGG... an alliance who's very ethos was HONORABLE gaming. well thats a bloody farce now isnt it. Not only have the staff been dishonorable to their own Alliance but also to every playertheyve come into contact with by default.

Why should we now believe that the Armbrace Duping affair DIDNT come out of ANet towers? I personally believe it started there, I know many others do too..... it would appear Anet staff are more that willing AND able to break thei r own game and screw the playerbase. thx guys GG not.


To clarify for the less informed....
He could have told them about the screw up in map rotation. He could have told them when it was being reverted. That could have won them two games out of 7 by itself, a vast advantage. Of course, the implications for the conflict of interest portion are much greater. Their weapons could be more potent, 50/50 instead of 40/40 (this sort of thing happens, look up EVE and associated scandals), they could all pick up a regen, and so on. Devs feeling a part of a group gives them strong incentive for bias on behalf of that group and very may well lead to cheating either in the giving of privileged information (like the map changes) or in a more material sense. It is to avoid this situation that devs aren't allowed in competing guilds. It doesn't matter whether or not you think a violation may have occurred- you often never know in these cases. The point is to prevent the question from ever coming up. If it does come up, something is wrong.

Ok, I don't want this Thread to become a Drama Topic. Please keep Anti-[rawr] stuff out of here.

This Topic is about Anets rules. Not [rawr]. They were just the best example.

You really need to stop making shit up. Unless you have solid proof of any of the above, stop posting.

Now, what's actually the problem , because I don't get **** of it ;_; ?

More then likely Andrew was in rawr because there was more then 1 person setting up the event. Yes they probably could have sent him a guild invite to chat with him in their guild hall but joing rawr also makes sense as well. That way many people can talk to him and see him when he is on. (Yes even though they could have done that through friend's list) I don't think rawr is at fault or should be punished just because Andrew was in their guild. rawr almost alway seemed to do well in the Monthlys even before Andrew joined, I doubt they won because of them. So no they shouldn't be punished for it.

Anet failed to enforce a Rule, where Real Life Prices were on the line.

I'm doing great tane ; you

And ekelon ; what did andrew do then to support the rawr cup ? ;
did he have to be a member ?

And btw i <3 rawr cup =)

Just seems you're out to ruin a nice guys reputation among other GW players.

So I say to all -

If you have no proof of foul play, stop posting crap.

Yes because $4000 a month is a nice little earner. OH and the fact that some of that is MY money, gained via Character Slots and Game purchases....yes..its VERY serious..but then Fraud is a serious offence.

You may treat it lightly but I personally dont like the idea of a company changing the rules to suit itself as and when it feels like it, ESPECIALLY where theres that kind of money involved every month......

Calm down MB, I don't think he is saying it happened. In fact i am pretty sure it didnt happen. I know that AP had nothing to do with [rawr] winning. BUT the possibility is there.

But its besides the point. The point is ANet didn't enforce a clear rule.

Rules are more like guidelines.

Yes they didn't enforce the rule and yes real life prizes were on the line, but if they didn't see anything wrong with it then that is their beef. Rules in-game are not always enforced. Rules in RL are not always enforced. It's not a new concept. Yes, maybe [rawr] should have been DQ'd from the Monthlys, but how is that fair to them? Just because they had an Anet employee in their guild so that he could help them set up a community event? The Rawr Cup is a fun event for guilds that may not be in the high-end part of GvG's. They were doing something nice for the community and happened to need an ANet employee to oversee it, just because it happened to be around the same time as the monthlys doesn't mean that it should count against them.

Look, to be honest I dont care if its AP, Izzy, the floorsweeper or the bloody tea boy. When you make Rules in a multi thousand dollar competition, you stick to them.

The fact that Izzy and AP were the 2 most key people in PvP at that time is unfortunate for them. Thats their tough luck for being dumb. Sorry, but thats the truth of it. Yes it was a dumb thing to happen BUT, having now been told that AP and Izzy do leak info it makes it just that little bit more serious ....

Fair enough, but that raises the Question why [QQ] was DQed for Racial Slurs and Swearing, this was all intern as far as I know.

I do have to agree with you on that. I can't justify why QQ was DQ'd. Racial Slurs and Swearing are happening all the time (unfortunately) in chats. Why they should be DQ'd for it while so many others do it as well is beyond me.

He would of had to have permission as he was there in his official role as an Anet employee.


The simple fact is, no one is 100% sure on the facts. So unless a mass appeal is made by all the teams in the competition, this should be laid to rest.

The message Anet is giving us, at least my impression of it, is that if you are liked by Anet you get away with rule breaking. [rawr] being an example of that.
If you are not liked by Anet, and get accused for something. You will get DQed, be it for the thing you have been accused for or something else. [QQ] being a good example of that.

And something else. Why does Anet enforce Gold Buying/Selling, but not something of this importance.

Cutthroat, why would you quote the same thing you said in the last post that got closed when I already countered what you said?

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We advertised the rawr cup together. We also MADE SURE with izzy that it was fine for him to join the guild. Izzy just said as long as he didn't play in a tournament.

What about if it should happen again? It should be just ignored again?

So only Izzy was asked? I thought he is not the one to decide these things. Just like he doesn't decide on Skill changes

Ive also received information that part of the reason AP moved positions was because of this. So ANet have, in part, acknowledged their failure, they just havent made any public apologies or assurances it wont happen again. YOu ok with that are you?

Why are you so keen to bury this? Whats your part? Any genuine PvP player would be pissed to learn the dice were "potentially" loaded AND that AP and Izzy have leaked previously.

One of The Spearmen has already expressed his displeasure at the apparent changes without notice. Whats YOUR motivation?

I don't know what your intension was when you made this thread, but what's done is done. Bitch and complain (about something that doesn't effect you) all you want, but you aren't making a difference. As Malice said, unless a mass appeal is made by all the teams in the competition (which still probably wouldn't make a difference), this should be laid to rest.