Ok One question for everyone......
Should the Smiter of a 600/smite run get half of the money that the 600 gets from payers?
Leave yes or no and a little explanations of the reason why.
Thank
600/Smte
Unholy Tank V
drey2k
Yeah.. since they both need one another to do it, I don't see why they should't split the money.
VitisVinifera
the conventional wisdom is no, as the smiter sets bonds then picks up free loot
the 600 does all the work, gets the blame if things go wrong, and has to have the skill to get it done
based on those reasons, I see a pretty obvious answer
the 600 does all the work, gets the blame if things go wrong, and has to have the skill to get it done
based on those reasons, I see a pretty obvious answer
Avarre
Smiter sets bonds and afk.
600 runs into things and presses prot spirit/soa/sb over and over.
Neither one takes much skill or effort. If you're grouping, you share by whatever agreed method you have, because it's a group.
600 runs into things and presses prot spirit/soa/sb over and over.
Neither one takes much skill or effort. If you're grouping, you share by whatever agreed method you have, because it's a group.
Nightow
Ok, same question here but with the Rt600/smite set up.
I ask this since the smiter needs to constantly re-apply [Spell breaker] in-between mobs.
I ask this since the smiter needs to constantly re-apply [Spell breaker] in-between mobs.
slowerpoke
heroes can smite pretty well, and they dont charge for it 
Holly Herro
I'm just curious, are you stupid or something? :S
Hero smiters > Human smiters.
-Hero smiters don't DC
-Hero smiters don't agro
-Hero smiters don't want/need money
-Hero smiters can be flagged
There's more, but I'm too lazy. You get my point?
Hero smiters > Human smiters.
-Hero smiters don't DC
-Hero smiters don't agro
-Hero smiters don't want/need money
-Hero smiters can be flagged
There's more, but I'm too lazy. You get my point?
xiaotsu
Meh, depends on what the agreement is.
Before I started 600'n CoF, I usually ran smiter, but never *asked* for any of the profit, since I was getting a free run, which means free money. Sometimes you'd get a 600 that would split the profit some way or another, but it was never necessary. Start playing the 600 role and you won't have that problem xD
Before I started 600'n CoF, I usually ran smiter, but never *asked* for any of the profit, since I was getting a free run, which means free money. Sometimes you'd get a 600 that would split the profit some way or another, but it was never necessary. Start playing the 600 role and you won't have that problem xD
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by Holly Herro
I'm just curious, are you stupid or something? :S
Hero smiters > Human smiters. -Hero smiters don't DC -Hero smiters don't agro -Hero smiters don't want/need money -Hero smiters can be flagged There's more, but I'm too lazy. You get my point? |
Wetley
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Originally Posted by Holly Herro
I'm just curious, are you stupid or something? :S
Hero smiters > Human smiters. -Hero smiters don't DC -Hero smiters don't agro -Hero smiters don't want/need money -Hero smiters can be flagged There's more, but I'm too lazy. You get my point? |
Holly Herro
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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed
I never even tried human smiters for those very reasons
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I've even had smiters trying to pay me to get in, I'm like "Nanana"
Ace2001
Okay, I'm a bit slow...whats all this 600/smite stuff about? >_>; (Could anybody link to the builds/general usage for it?)
kratimas
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Originally Posted by Ace2001
Okay, I'm a bit slow...whats all this 600/smite stuff about? >_>; (Could anybody link to the builds/general usage for it?)
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Krat
wraithe
50/50 here cause i run with a guildie and wouldnt want it any other way...we team well together..
if i were to do 600 without ...it would be with a Hero.
but if 600 picked up a Human Smiter..i still think it should be 50/50 cause 600 is nothing without smiter..and visa versa..IMO
if i were to do 600 without ...it would be with a Hero.
but if 600 picked up a Human Smiter..i still think it should be 50/50 cause 600 is nothing without smiter..and visa versa..IMO
TorquemadaXL
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Originally Posted by drey2k
Yeah.. since they both need one another to do it, I don't see why they should't split the money.
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I agree with "slowerpoke" If u don't want to split use a hero, but if u play with humans, u HAVE TO!
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
the conventional wisdom is no, as the smiter sets bonds then picks up free loot
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
the 600 does all the work, gets the blame if things go wrong, and has to have the skill to get it done
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Heroes are definitively better if u like to play GREEDY!
Let flame me now.
EDIT: wraithe post <---- QFT!
Fear Me!
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Originally Posted by wraithe
50/50 here cause i run with a guildie and wouldnt want it any other way...we team well together..
if i were to do 600 without ...it would be with a Hero. but if 600 picked up a Human Smiter..i still think it should be 50/50 cause 600 is nothing without smiter..and visa versa..IMO |
Omnidragon42
Do it with friends or with heroes. Random pugs are ftl 
Gli
Just leave a tip on the nightstand.
Unholy Tank V
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Originally Posted by Holly Herro I'm just curious, are you stupid or something? :S Hero smiters > Human smiters. -Hero smiters don't DC -Hero smiters don't agro -Hero smiters don't want/need money -Hero smiters can be flagged There's more, but I'm too lazy. You get my point? |
Holly I never asked if you should use Hero Smites over Human Smites I asked One questions, so please do not flame me by calling me stupid when you can't even answer One question correctly.
neighto
hmm.. this is a tough one to answer for me.
I generally do COF runs with heros, without taking any "passengers" ie I dont run it for cash.
So as per the O/P question?
I do think those of you out there that do this run for a set fee.. should split the profits 50/50. As in any business, all parties need their share! without the smite.. a 600 would have a bitch of a time doing anything... and the same could be said the other way around.
I generally do COF runs with heros, without taking any "passengers" ie I dont run it for cash.
So as per the O/P question?
I do think those of you out there that do this run for a set fee.. should split the profits 50/50. As in any business, all parties need their share! without the smite.. a 600 would have a bitch of a time doing anything... and the same could be said the other way around.
Aera Lure
Easy answer. Of course it should be split 50/50. You have a human on the other side of it and each needs the other to do the run.
wraithe
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Originally Posted by Fear Me!
QFT. Heroes don't need money, human players do. And if that's the case, refer to above post.
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i said 50/50 but do prefer to take a hero if my smiter cant come..sheesh
Eru Valenehtar
I think with the mixture of feelings, I'm going to have to say:
Do what feels best for you.
Either way, just try to have fun...it's just fake money.
Do what feels best for you.
Either way, just try to have fun...it's just fake money.
Avai
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Originally Posted by Holly Herro
...Hero smiters don't DC
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On topic: The 600 and Smiter should agree before the run starts as to who will get the payment.
Jenn
Human smiters absolutely do not deserve to be paid. They have about 3 minutes worth of work. They should get a free run & be entitled to any drops they get. That's it. Shame on smiters who think they deserve anything - you're lucky for getting to sit on your hiney while someone else does all the work.
zling
if you're doing something like FoW or UW than obviously you need to split 50/50 as both players are doing it purely to farm...
if you do CoF or whatever to farm titles than both players get their title regardless of loot thus the 600 who works a bit harder, but still not that hard, should get more. but it has to be agreed on before you start the run...
if you do CoF or whatever to farm titles than both players get their title regardless of loot thus the 600 who works a bit harder, but still not that hard, should get more. but it has to be agreed on before you start the run...
Chestnut
No way, smiters who ask for 50/50 are allready getting drops AND a free run, I USE -- HERO Smiters they dont charge, they dont aggro, they dont d/c ... why use human smiters AT ALL? even if you use a hero smiter for constant sb apply you can still do that with heros just fine.
Human smiters are simply totaly useless and the fact they ask for 50% of your profits is just asinine.
oh, unless your talking about like UW or FoW 600/smite ecto/shards drops
That might be ok to split.. I dont do these so I dont have a basics really, some people perfer human smiter split over hero split.
Dunno.
Human smiters are simply totaly useless and the fact they ask for 50% of your profits is just asinine.
oh, unless your talking about like UW or FoW 600/smite ecto/shards drops
That might be ok to split.. I dont do these so I dont have a basics really, some people perfer human smiter split over hero split.
Dunno.
Moral55
I think you should just get what drops naturally from the loot share system.
Thats really the fairest way.
Thats really the fairest way.
TorquemadaXL
It just pisses me off how u think unappropriate of other works... "Smite doesn't do anithing, 600 do all the works...".
Added some of u to my ignore list... don't want to deal with u... u're just too childish to understand how the logic of life applies to everything.
GW is a game, but ppl playing this game are REAL and deserve a "real life" treat, so even if all i have to do is "click just once my mouse button" this is the work i have to do, and i have to be paid for.
What do u think if a smite after "the 3 minute work" simply leave the game?
Is the 600 useless this way?
For ppl like u i propose to just play alone, don't group with other ppl, just play alone.
Play with ur H/H is safer for everyone.
Added some of u to my ignore list... don't want to deal with u... u're just too childish to understand how the logic of life applies to everything.
GW is a game, but ppl playing this game are REAL and deserve a "real life" treat, so even if all i have to do is "click just once my mouse button" this is the work i have to do, and i have to be paid for.
What do u think if a smite after "the 3 minute work" simply leave the game?
Is the 600 useless this way?
For ppl like u i propose to just play alone, don't group with other ppl, just play alone.
Play with ur H/H is safer for everyone.
flyinhigh
yep i share i give them 2k but since i charge 2k for the run it comes out to zero
IsoArt
We alternate on runs, the person doing the 600 gets the money.
A11Eur0
I do full 600/smite cof runs at 2.5k per and give the smiter 6k...because I hate having to flag a hero around. I get 16/16, a human brain to be able to rebirth in a pinch, weapon switching for energy/speed...every 600 I've smited for has said they enjoy me as a smiter rather than a hero, because I actually DO something. Not everyone dies, but it's something people have to deal with sometimes. With a human smiter I can push myself as a 600 harder, take more risks, become a better tank and perform faster runs for more overall profit per hour, as well as a good reputation among runnees. I already have about 6 people per day whispering me at different times looking for runs.
I already have about 6 people per day whispering me at different times looking for runs.
Spiritz
At a glance ( if i missed it then sorry ) but no1 seems to consider that heros take 1/2 the loot and money anyway - something i reckon anet shud ditch as we tend to pay for the heros stuff ourselves lol.
R.Shayne
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Originally Posted by Holly Herro
I'm just curious, are you stupid or something? :S
Hero smiters > Human smiters. -Hero smiters don't DC -Hero smiters don't agro -Hero smiters don't want/need money -Hero smiters can be flagged There's more, but I'm too lazy. You get my point? |
Second Computer+second account+smiter > Hero smiters > Human Smiter.
- Twice the number of drops
- Twice the amount of gold
- Better control of the smiter
- You can actually see where the smite is standing
- The smite does what you want them to do without question
- Once you done it enough it is easy
When I was running CoF so many people would try to talk to my smite and the reaction I would get when I told them pm the smite is useless. Funniest thing was one guy trying to get the smite to come with him so he could run CoF.
If I didn't have a second account there is still no way I would take a human smite, just too many problems. But to answer you question, smite should get paid, doesn't work without them.
Davros Uitar
Always settle this at the start - and my take is that the runner takes all payment.
My view is the smiter is getting a free run and is 2k up an everyone else. The runner is not beholdin to the smiter because the runner always has the option to cut out the smiter completely and take a hero. The smiter does not have the same leverage - they depend on the runner.
For the 30 secs of work at the start of each map I think the free run is more than adequate recompense for the work they do. Expecting more on the part of the smiter is greed to me.
The role of the hero has changed the relationship and given the upper hand to the runner. If there were no heros in GW then you are back in time when they each needed the other - that's the time to share and share alike.
Simple rule - smiters need human runners - runners no longer need human smiters. That wasn't the case when the relationship started but it is the case now. The smiters lot in life now is to be thankful for free runs whenever they can be arranged.
Cheers
Davros
My view is the smiter is getting a free run and is 2k up an everyone else. The runner is not beholdin to the smiter because the runner always has the option to cut out the smiter completely and take a hero. The smiter does not have the same leverage - they depend on the runner.
For the 30 secs of work at the start of each map I think the free run is more than adequate recompense for the work they do. Expecting more on the part of the smiter is greed to me.
The role of the hero has changed the relationship and given the upper hand to the runner. If there were no heros in GW then you are back in time when they each needed the other - that's the time to share and share alike.
Simple rule - smiters need human runners - runners no longer need human smiters. That wasn't the case when the relationship started but it is the case now. The smiters lot in life now is to be thankful for free runs whenever they can be arranged.
Cheers
Davros
Tom Swift
I have done both smite and 600 and I would be ashamed to give the smite less than 50% of the income. It's not like the dungeon is hard or something - one of the easiest runs in the game, which is why so many people do it.
nirhan shadowmauler
human smiter greater than hero smiter.
dual 16 attrib or 17 attrib if they are good.
plus human smiters dont need heals in CoF unless they are morons.
dual 16 attrib or 17 attrib if they are good.
plus human smiters dont need heals in CoF unless they are morons.
Scarn
It should be entirely at the discretion of the 600.
IslandHermet
its very simple even tho the 600 does alot of work the run will not work without the smite.
so in that sense its a I need you/you need me deal, 50/50 makes sense in these situations.
yes you can take a hero and keep the money thats the wonderful thing about a hero.
so in that sense its a I need you/you need me deal, 50/50 makes sense in these situations.
yes you can take a hero and keep the money thats the wonderful thing about a hero.
januscht
i do like to bring human smiters: ONLY friends and guildis i trust, they not only give me company and chat with me, they do the run more fun and help me to keep in line the groups while i do my 600 role,
i love sharing with them the proffits because they take an important role in the run, they are not only a dummy-bonder-looter, so they deserve it
i love sharing with them the proffits because they take an important role in the run, they are not only a dummy-bonder-looter, so they deserve it