I often see almost completely W/Rts farming UW. But someone told me about this W/Me Whirlwind build recently. It says on pvxwiki that it is the fastest way to farm the smites. The video accompanying it is exactly 9 minutes long, but it cuts out one portion and the guy misses a group, so it's more like 10-11 minutes.
Are there any advantages it has over the W/Rt build? I've been using this build, and whenever I actually have a successful run, I do it in about 15 minutes. Until I get better. I don't know if my high failure rate is lack of ever really farming much or if the build is very fragile. I might switch to W/Rt, but I'm not sure.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/...Whirlwind_Solo
And what is your take on killing all smites at once? Is it really less chance of an ecto drop? Because I've done 5 complete runs and I haven't gotten a single ecto.
W/Me vs. W/Rt UW smite farms
Vann Borakul
Murmel
Tried the W/Me sword variant once, didn't even kill first group of Grasps -_-
tonk
I run the W/Rt build. I seem to get 1 ecto every 10 runs or so. if i remember correctly the there is a 2% chance of ecto drop from smites.
wetsparks
w/rt is safer (last I heard and tried) which is probably why you see them more than w/me
stretchs
1 ecto every 10 runs? Good god, I must be the luckiest man alive if that is your ratio. I get 1 ecto per 2 runs. Now that is an avg figure as there are 3-4 runs I may get none and then some i get 3-4 in one run, so it averages out to about one every 2 runs. As for other variants I really am most comfortable with the W/Rt.
snodaard
I realy enjoy the W/Me build becouse it is , how to say it, differend.
And for me it work's perfect becouse i did it alot
i atleast get an ecto every 2 runs, usualy 1 per run
And for me it work's perfect becouse i did it alot
i atleast get an ecto every 2 runs, usualy 1 per run
tonk
I have no luck in there lol, never got more than 1 in a single run...
Trader of Secrets
I use W/Rt, get like 1-2 ecto per run with 1/6 dry runs. This is just smites only, although I heard of people going to kill mindblade, need to try that out. Much safer than the W/Me build. Not sure about you people getting 1/20 runs an ecto, maybe just doing UW farming way too much.
MrSlayer
A video I made
W/Rt vs W/Me
It's not a tutorial...shows the 2 builds on the same sort of mobs with roughly similar sized pulls. Note; I now clear the chamber in 1 pull with W/Me...did it in 2 in the video, just cos I hadn't managed it in 1 before that.
W/Rt vs W/Me
It's not a tutorial...shows the 2 builds on the same sort of mobs with roughly similar sized pulls. Note; I now clear the chamber in 1 pull with W/Me...did it in 2 in the video, just cos I hadn't managed it in 1 before that.
Horus Moonlight
I've tried both before.
W/Rt:
[+] Newb friendly. Seems easier to use than the W/Me for newcomers to the UW.
[-] Slower than the W/Me.
W/Me:
[+] Quicker than the W/Rt
[-] Not as newb friendly as the W/Rt. However, to those who are experienced with the smite run, there really is no "safety" difference between the two builds; aggroing and killing graspings, running to the ice wastes, and knowing the coldfire night patrols is extremely easy after a few smite runs.
Overall:
If you are new to the UW, use the W/Rt.
If you are experienced with smite run, use the W/Me.
W/Rt:
[+] Newb friendly. Seems easier to use than the W/Me for newcomers to the UW.
[-] Slower than the W/Me.
W/Me:
[+] Quicker than the W/Rt
[-] Not as newb friendly as the W/Rt. However, to those who are experienced with the smite run, there really is no "safety" difference between the two builds; aggroing and killing graspings, running to the ice wastes, and knowing the coldfire night patrols is extremely easy after a few smite runs.
Overall:
If you are new to the UW, use the W/Rt.
If you are experienced with smite run, use the W/Me.
Age
I would think that W/Me would be better going up against Aataxes and mot just smites.
Xx_Sorin_xX
W/Rt is nice because it's pretty fail free. Your armor isn't a big issue and your weapons aren't a big issue either. Even the build is pretty lenient imo as long as you use the few essential skills.
W/Me, on the otherhand, requires more. You need a zealous weapon, and I'm pretty sure you need knights armor. Also, this build can be difficult if you don't aggro enough smites/graspings because you don't gain enough energy from zealous. The W/Rt build doesn't require any amount of foes
So whatever fits your situation and playing style better is the one you should choose.
W/Me, on the otherhand, requires more. You need a zealous weapon, and I'm pretty sure you need knights armor. Also, this build can be difficult if you don't aggro enough smites/graspings because you don't gain enough energy from zealous. The W/Rt build doesn't require any amount of foes
So whatever fits your situation and playing style better is the one you should choose.
biswis
can anyone give me a screen shot of the armor/weapon make up of a W/Rt vs W/Me??
Abedeus
You didn't even care to read the link or check pvxwiki, why should we help you even more?
English Warrior
i would Say Echo Whirlwind W/Me is better to farm.
English Warrior
i would Say Echo Whirlwind W/Me is better to farm.
CE Devilman
nice U got 3 prof...
Warrior (W) - echo (Me) - whirlwind(Ele)
Warrior (W) - echo (Me) - whirlwind(Ele)
High Centurion
the whirlwind he's talking bout is the warrior sunspear skill.
Back to Topic, i personally use the W/Me(since ive done UW alot) but like everyone else has said, for new playsers to U, W/rt is safer.
Back to Topic, i personally use the W/Me(since ive done UW alot) but like everyone else has said, for new playsers to U, W/rt is safer.
MrSlayer
Quote:
Originally Posted by CE Devilman
nice U got 3 prof...
Warrior (W) - echo (Me) - whirlwind(Ele) Almost as epic was Echo Mending Warriors methinks
Warrior (W) - echo (Me) - whirlwind(Ele) Almost as epic was Echo Mending Warriors methinks
MisterT69
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Originally Posted by stretchs
1 ecto every 10 runs? Good god, I must be the luckiest man alive if that is your ratio. I get 1 ecto per 2 runs. Now that is an avg figure as there are 3-4 runs I may get none and then some i get 3-4 in one run, so it averages out to about one every 2 runs. As for other variants I really am most comfortable with the W/Rt.
1 every 2 runs *gasp* /looks at ele section...o, watdya kno, average E/Mo mindblade farm nets 5-6 ectos a run. Now between the W/Rt and W/Me, def go W/Rt if you're new just for the ease of use, more experience...go W/Me, but in all honesty, it's w/e you find more fun
spun ducky
Quote:
Originally Posted by CE Devilman
nice U got 3 prof...
Warrior (W) - echo (Me) - whirlwind(Ele) He means the pve warrior skill [skill]whirlwind attack[/skill]...
Warrior (W) - echo (Me) - whirlwind(Ele) He means the pve warrior skill [skill]whirlwind attack[/skill]...
tryptamine_xxp
/age = 10 minutes in map with w/rt. you can practically fall asleep with this build (happened and i died lol). i really think that w/me can be much faster than 9 minutes and more interesting but personally i dont have nf so ... ;(
obsidian ectoplasm
I agree with everyone else W/rit for new people W/mes for faster more exp UW farmers
funkytoejams
Quote:
Originally Posted by obsidian ectoplasm
I agree with everyone else W/rit for new people W/mes for faster more exp UW farmers
hmm, really? look at my mini-map, chat log and radar, recognize the statue? can the w/me clear the smites and the chaos plains in the same run, solo?
my build is based of the old witte was smite solo w/rt build, but after a lot of trial and error i changed some stuff around (5 skills i believe) and i have no problem doing the regular smite run AND then clearing the chaos plains, i never die in chaos plains, only thing that rarely kills me is rubber-banding at ataxes and its easy to avoid that 99% of the time.
my build is based of the old witte was smite solo w/rt build, but after a lot of trial and error i changed some stuff around (5 skills i believe) and i have no problem doing the regular smite run AND then clearing the chaos plains, i never die in chaos plains, only thing that rarely kills me is rubber-banding at ataxes and its easy to avoid that 99% of the time.
kdz
clearing chaos planes is't that big deal, you can do it with the original VwK build - it's only matter of timing (ignorance is your friend) take a leuthenants helm and a -3/hexed shield, and you will have 0-1 damage from mindblades, and nearly no interrupts...
It takes me ~1,5 hours, to clear the smites and the chaos planes, and I get 4-9 ecto /run (at the 9 ecto run, the smites dropped 3 for me - very kind of them)
you can kill some death treashers, and dead collectors too, if you are lucky
take a leuthenants helm and a -3/hexed shield, and you will have 0-1 damage from mindblades, and nearly no interrupts...It takes me ~1,5 hours, to clear the smites and the chaos planes, and I get 4-9 ecto /run (at the 9 ecto run, the smites dropped 3 for me - very kind of them)
you can kill some death treashers, and dead collectors too, if you are lucky
funkytoejams
i never said it was a big deal, but apparently some ppl think it is because MOST ppl tell me im full of BS when i tell them i have no probs doing this, heard this from 4 people in my alliance chat a couple of days ago and i hear it all the time... im sure i cant be the only 1, but most ppl that are running w/rt dont get this far, and many swear up and down that this isnt possible.
anyway the point im trying to make is that w/rt can do this safely and w/me cant, and thats what this thread is about right? comparing both builds.
and btw it takes me about 50-60 mins max, i agree with what you said about timing being the biggest factor,
i average around the same 4-9ecto, i have had a 12 ecto run though before, and yes you can kill some stuff in bone pits and most of twin serpent mountains too, but serpent mountains isnt worth it, and bone pits is harder, i havent found a consistent safe way to clear bone pits yet, but chaos plains is barely harder than just the smites if ur doing it right.
anyway the point im trying to make is that w/rt can do this safely and w/me cant, and thats what this thread is about right? comparing both builds.
and btw it takes me about 50-60 mins max, i agree with what you said about timing being the biggest factor,
i average around the same 4-9ecto, i have had a 12 ecto run though before, and yes you can kill some stuff in bone pits and most of twin serpent mountains too, but serpent mountains isnt worth it, and bone pits is harder, i havent found a consistent safe way to clear bone pits yet, but chaos plains is barely harder than just the smites if ur doing it right.
kdz
Sorry - I didn't mean to offend you - what I meant to say is, that you are right, and the W/Rt can clear the chaos planes without any major problem.
I run almost the original build with signet of stamina and dolyak sig, and as I said it takes me ~1,5 hours (and it is still better ecto/hour drop rate than just doing smite runs) - but with your build, you can get even more ecto/hour (and more, and better gold items)
I run almost the original build with signet of stamina and dolyak sig, and as I said it takes me ~1,5 hours (and it is still better ecto/hour drop rate than just doing smite runs) - but with your build, you can get even more ecto/hour (and more, and better gold items)