Massively.com news article

Buster

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Elona

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Nice article on Guild Wars by Massively.com. Enjoy!

http://www.massively.com/2008/04/22/...ng-guild-wars/

Esan

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It is "nice" in the sense that it regurgitates conventional wisdom, splatters some semi-relevant information, and calls it an article. The Wikipedia article on Guild Wars is more informative and educational.

I've been waiting for an insightful retrospective on Guild Wars in the mainstream gaming press, but nothing has materialized so far. It is a damn shame; GW1 deserves a good eulogy, for it came so close at times to that MMORPG ideal.

Richardt

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A retrospective would be nice.

With like tons of concept art.

Pretty please

Zinger314

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It's never too late to start playing Guild Wars
...because empty outposts everywhere due to population distribution allows for human groups to be made, right?

Fril Estelin

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Originally Posted by Zinger314
...because empty outposts everywhere due to population distribution allows for human groups to be made, right?
You probably scared everyone away! And you forgot about our beloved H/Hs Zingy

Olim Chill

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It certainly is a very nice advertis...er...article.

~ Dan ~

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Originally Posted by Olim Thrice
It certainly is a very nice advertis...er...article.
Are you suggesting that Anet paid them to do this? Or was i not the only one to notice the advertisement banner above for every other big name MMO?

Oh, and i stopped reading after the first paragraph. He already got it wrong.

thedrumchannell

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Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~
Are you suggesting that Anet paid them to do this?
Yes, release a few articles... build back a little interest in the game... add a page for the sequel > http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars2/ and soon after... start releasing info about the sequel.

~ Dan ~

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Originally Posted by thedrumchannell
Yes, release a few articles... build back a little interest in the game... add a page for the sequel > http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars2/ and soon after... start releasing info about the sequel.
I think the other MMOs' advert on the page was more convincing. It had flashy colours and less BS.

EPO Bot

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It was NEVER easy to find human groups for ANYTHING from day one.Exept maybe during week ends.

Heroes ftw. And if you have some rudimentary social skills, perhaps find a guild. Put the guild in front of the wars again.

Orfas

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lol i laughed at the *grindles* part

Oh and did you notice they spelled prophecies wrong >.>

Darkobra

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Originally Posted by Orfas
Oh and did you notice they spelled prophecies wrong >.>
That's when I stopped reading. I was tempted to during "It's never too late to start Guild Wars!"

ogre_jd

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
It was NEVER easy to find human groups for ANYTHING from day one.Exept maybe during week ends.
Strange. I have no problem finding groups, not counting when I group with my guild, when I feel the need for them. And most of them are actually decent groups. Then again, I use Party Search, don't spam any LFG message I might use, use vaguely decent grammar and spelling when speaking in Local, don't hurl insults, etc.... Seems to attact the saner, more mature players with decent builds that work well enough (though likely not by the standards of this forum's regulars) and a rudimentary grasp of strategy (eg, not Leeroying, pulling groups apart, targetting monks. That sort of thing).

I sometimes end up in bad groups (such as the ass who, when we went Across the Wall on the rescue mission, ran ahead and aggroed the Charr up by Ben Wolfson, then mapped out after calling me a loser - and after taking my 50gp as the standard gate monkey fee when we got there. Fortunately, a guildie with a Pre character was online soon after that), but nowhere near as often as I'd've expected from reading here.

Master Knightfall

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Quote:
It's never too late to start playing Guild Wars
And enjoy the solitude of emptiness in the majority of outposts and towns. GW turned into the reason I left Everquest there just wasn't anyone to play with in the origional zones and areas.

EPO Bot

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Sometimes i go to Maguuma stade to contemplate the frailty of existence.

StormDragonZ

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The one reason, and more than anything the only reason, I played Guild Wars was that it had no added monthly fees. That's it... and because of that reason, there's a strong chance I will not stop playing the first Guild Wars as long as they keep servers open for it.

In my opinion, that article made Guild Wars look bad.

GaaaaaH

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competitive or cooperative mmo?
"Also, the game being free-to-play has inspired many people to make that initial leap into the MMO world, possibly even opening their eyes to a subscription-based game eventually."

GW is for noobs to learn WoW?

ogre_jd

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
And enjoy the solitude of emptiness in the majority of outposts and towns. GW turned into the reason I left Everquest there just wasn't anyone to play with in the origional zones and areas.
Minority of outposts, you mean. And most of those are either when you've been sent to a newly created District of a popular town (Ascalon, LA, Kamaden, etc.) or in areas you generally miss if you're going from mission-to-mission (such as Grendich Courthouse - unless you know about it, odds are that you'll never see it unless you stumble across it while going for Althea's Ashes. Or the Ice Tooth Cave).

Of course, time of day and time zone factors into it - even LA's relatively dead at 6am Eastern.

bart

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GaaaaaH
competitive or cooperative mmo?
"Also, the game being free-to-play has inspired many people to make that initial leap into the MMO world, possibly even opening their eyes to a subscription-based game eventually."

GW is for noobs to learn WoW?
It was for me..

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot
It was NEVER easy to find human groups for ANYTHING from day one.Exept maybe during week ends.
Had absolutely no problem finishing all campaigns including NF with full human groups.

Of course, I never tried to get into one with mesmer, sin or rit. But for everything else, it was no problem.

But saying that it was NEVER easy is simply wrong.

Malice Black

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by GaaaaaH
competitive or cooperative mmo?
"Also, the game being free-to-play has inspired many people to make that initial leap into the MMO world, possibly even opening their eyes to a subscription-based game eventually."
One of the few true bits.

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GW is for noobs to learn WoW?
Yes!

GW = Your school football team
WoW = All American team


GW failed when it went from a decent CORPG to a bad MMO.

lacasner

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Ehh article was bad but at least someone cared enough to write it. Overall i give it a 5/10.

Cacheelma

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Quote:
Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
The one reason, and more than anything the only reason, I played Guild Wars was that it had no added monthly fees. That's it... and because of that reason, there's a strong chance I will not stop playing the first Guild Wars as long as they keep servers open for it.

In my opinion, that article made Guild Wars look bad.
Not as bad as your reason, let me tell you.

Still playing because....it's free? LOL

Empraim Wainwright

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lol why write an article on GW? it's an old game.
can we please get some info on GW2?

Sab

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The only expansion pack, Eye of the North uses all of the features of previous chapters and wraps them in a shiny new shell, including our first glimpses into different ally races, ridable mounts and multi-layer dungeons.
WHERE IS MY MOUNT

Cacheelma

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Dalada Upland's scorpid/whatever.

Yeah well, misleading advertisement is misleading.

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...and it is one of the few games that successfully combines PvE with PvP.
Haha...haha...meh....

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Originally Posted by Arduinna
...and it is one of the few games that successfully combines PvE with PvP.
Quote:
Haha...haha...meh....
damn Arduinna you beat me to it

It would have been true in the beginning maybe, but now it's heresy.

escoffier

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if i'm not mistaken that article was written by shawn from guildcast i believ he mentioned in his most recent podcast he was at massively now,
so the slight fanboy style of it is understood. (if thats a different shawn disreguard plz)

BenjZee

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not too bad the pictures with article didnt sell the game really

about that mount thing, maybe he means by first glimpse that this is Anets little preview of what Gw2 will be like. the multi layered dungeons and mounts (Scorpians).

Avarre

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Originally Posted by Arduinna
Haha...haha...meh....
It actually does. By limiting PvP to arena conflict Guild Wars removes the issue of ganking/teaming/griefing, while maintaining a PvE and PvP game under the same (generally) rules.

The complaints of players unable to deal with this system, or generally disliking it, do not invalidate it as an overall success.

Ravious

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I don't understand most of the comments. Personally it feels like a big "meh" to me, but I think it is aimed at people that have not played in a long, long time (as evidenced by at least the two first comments, did not read more after that).

The thing I don't get here is the vinegar. I mean the writing is mostly on par for what Massively delivers. So are you all subconsciously holding this article to a higher standard because it deals with Guild Wars (and you are here in this forum)?

I am intrigued with the one poster's theory about A.Net trying to stir the pot a little and then lay down GW2 news. We will see what we see I guess.

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About GWEN:

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Personally, we think no matter which chapter or chapters you decide to assemble for your own GW experience, Eye of the North is a welcome supplement to enhance the overall experience.
I think it's a nicer way to say ,,buy EotN or gtfo''.

visitor

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Theres something that caught my eye in that :

"Eye of the North uses all of the features of previous chapters and wraps them in a shiny new shell, including our first glimpses into different ally races,RIDABLE MOUNTS and multi-layer dungeons"


Edit: Sorry Sab didnt see your post there

Ctb

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Guild Wars yet? You're thinking maybe three years after launch is a bit late? Nah, you're just in time!
...to miss any chance at ever having enough money to do the HOM, the only thing anybody in this game still cares about.

...to never actually play the game with any humans.

...to never actually play the game with any challenge.

...to never get anywhere in PvP beyond "average".

...get abused and called a n00b everywhere you go as you try to learn the system.

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The only expansion pack, Eye of the North uses all of the features of previous chapters and wraps them in a shiny new shell...
That's a funny thing to say about a game in which most of the content was created with the help of the Windows clipboard.... why doesn't he just be honest: most of EotN is just a bunch of reskins and you won't really find anything particularly interesting or new in it.

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But even within these persistent areas, there are multiple districts for each city or outpost.
...ensuring that the already bad trade and grouping systems are made into incomprehensible and outright painful disasters....

Crap article is crap.

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By limiting PvP to arena conflict Guild Wars removes the issue of ganking/teaming/griefing, while maintaining a PvE and PvP game under the same (generally) rules.
Other games did it better. It's called "choosing which type of server you want to play on". Let's everyone play how they want...

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The thing I don't get here is the vinegar. I mean the writing is mostly on par for what Massively delivers. So are you all subconsciously holding this article to a higher standard because it deals with Guild Wars (and you are here in this forum)?
I don't have any context because I've never read anything else they did. If this is typical of Massively, all it says to me is that Massively is full of garbage.

Skyy High

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Originally Posted by Esan
It is "nice" in the sense that it regurgitates conventional wisdom, splatters some semi-relevant information, and calls it an article.
Considering they specifically said in the opening paragraph:
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We're here now to explain a bit about ArenaNet's masterpiece, targeted at someone who has only heard of Guild Wars, but never actually played it.
I think that was the point.

Trub

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

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srs article from a srs NON GW player.
lulz.

Ravious

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctb

I don't have any context because I've never read anything else they did. If this is typical of Massively, all it says to me is that Massively is full of garbage.
They are great for news and interviews, and mostly suck when they do stuff like this. YMMV.

AJD

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Empraim Wainwright
lol why write an article on GW? it's an old game.
can we please get some info on GW2?
Why not?

too short

Buster

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Empraim Wainwright
lol why write an article on GW? it's an old game.
can we please get some info on GW2?
Well no harm in promoting Guild Wars 1 but yeah, totally agree. If you're an online gamer and you haven't heard of Guild Wars in the past 3 years then something is wrong