Ok explain this to me.

Lord Cooper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Black Death Knights

28 Apr 2008 at 13:41 - 81

lol thanks... really need to try and keep up with the abbreviations. im fairly new to this warrior lark. usually play as an ele... its a whole new world to me

lol

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

28 Apr 2008 at 19:54 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Cooper

is there any reason not to use tiger stance? no downsides as long as u dont miss lol 20 second recharge. You want to be able to be under an IAS all the time, so it's not that great.

MasterSasori

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

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R/Mo

28 Apr 2008 at 21:09 - 83

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

...which is pretty much all the time as a Warrior. Outside of PvP, it's just got too much disadvantage to use on a melee character.

Only if you play Warrior as a Tank. There are plenty of times when Frenzy is suitable in PvE, you just need to pay attention and make good judgments.

Quote: Originally Posted by ogre_jd Rangers, and probably Paragons (dunno how monsters treat them in combat since I don't have NF), can use it effectively since they're generally not targetted by monsters when there's melee and caster characters around. No idea if Paragons would find it useful, but Rangers don't seem to have any IAS that can be kept up for long periods of time. EDIT: Any IAS that doesn't require heavy attribute investment in an attribute just for that one skill, rather. When running R/W stick with Thumper and if you want IAS, Flurry suits Rangers is better. Paragons have Aggressive refrain so Frenzy is pointless, not to mention Flail would be a better choice than Frenzy anyway.

If you do go for IAS for ranger, it is highly unlikely that you wouldn't use skills in that attribute.

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

so [[Frenzy]'d be useless and almost instant death. It is obvious that Frenzy is useless on a caster (duh?). You are also clearly exaggerating using Frenzy as "instant death." If you use it how its supposed to, there should be no "instant death" unless you use it in the middle of a mob.

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

28 Apr 2008 at 21:12 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Only if you play Warrior as a Tank. There are plenty of times when Frenzy is suitable in PvE, you just need to pay attention and make good judgments. They certainly come up, it's just harder to justify it. 50% uptime from tiger stance should be your baseline- if you can't stay in frenzy at least half the time, you may as well take tiger stance and not dick around with frenzy. I'm a giant sissy with frenzy, so I really don't end up using it enough to justify it over another skill.

MasterSasori

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

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R/Mo

28 Apr 2008 at 21:14 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

They certainly come up, it's just harder to justify it. 50% uptime from tiger stance should be your baseline- if you can't stay in frenzy at least half the time, you may as well take tiger stance and not dick around with frenzy. I'm a giant sissy with frenzy, so I really don't end up using it enough to justify it over another skill. Yes I certainly agree that there are plenty of times I don't bring Frenzy. I'm pretty sure Flail is better for PvE anyway.

itsvictor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

28 Apr 2008 at 21:17 - 86

Flail is much better in PvE because monsters barely kite or kite to the end of the earth and pose no threat. Enraging charge is more than enough for a cancel stance in PvE.

AOTT

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

I'm right behind you. And you're DISGUSTING.

Your Moms Name Here [derp]

29 Apr 2008 at 16:36 - 87

At this point I think all my questions have been answered unless someone wants to talk about other IAS that haven't been mentioned.

(frenzy, rush, enraging charge, sprint, berserker stance, tiger stance, flurry, and flail have all been mentioned and discussed)