How far can you go? (HFFF)

I'm planning on maxing Kurzick. I'm 1/10 of the way right now. I've heard that you can use macros/bindings to aid you. But how far can you go before you cross the line? I did some searching, and I'm seeing tons of hfff bots that people use afk.

The idea of saving myself 300 excruciating hours is indeed a good one. But I'm not about to do anything that can get me banned. Does Anet really not care about botting hfff? It seems like nothing is being done about it.

If I can make 300 hours of the same 60 seconds over and over easier, I will gladly do it, but within restrictions.

There is a difference between a bot doing it for you and using macros to move your heroes. Using a bot = ban. Macros = okay.

How do you use/setup macros?

macros to set flags for HFFF is another name for bot

Its kinda same but macros aint illegal.. and look from ya keyboard if ya got G11 or G15 etc keyboard

Avoid doing anything that can get you banned. Just don't do it.

Back to maxing your Kurzick title, I'm currently 10/12 all from hFFF. I've never been much of a PvP person. The first 4-5 ranks is all about learning the flagging locations and not messing up. Around the time you reach rank 6 and higher, you'll have to be proficient and patient for the longer grinds.

Tips on increasing your times include:
- Use the F1-F4 Keys for flagging your h/h.
- Make your secondary Warrior or Paragon and take one the following running skills [Charge] [Fall back] [godspeed] for a quick start.
- If your just starting to hFFF its not uncommon to be doing runs in 1 minute or more. However, when you get to higher ranks, you will want to cut your time to less than one minute (52-55 second, my times)

Good luck on your runs. You'll probably see my characters Christie Armstrong/Viktor Braveheart in Lutgardis.

Yeah, using macros is the same as botting, as long as you have to use a program to do, what you are supposed to do, you are using a bot...

By all means, feel free to elaborate. I can't seem to get the pin placement down, so, anything to help there will suffice.

I allready maxed 30 titles last december and haven't got the Luxon or Kurzick one. I sure did chest running for some time but repeating a quest to max 10.000.000 points is asking way to much. I'm very pleased with both on rank 4which allows me to put them into the Hall of Monuments.

Feel free to bot in Lutgardis because Anet have proven by their actions that they will not ban HFFF bots. I reported them until I got blue in the face, but no action was taken against them.

Negative result does not equal proof of negative.

Do not bot period. There being a preponderence of bots in one location and people claiming to have not seen any action being taken against those bots is not sufficient evidence that none is taken. Better to be safe than sorry.

While we are talking about hfff, can anyone provide a good link (screenshots would be a nice bonus) for how to do this Kurzick-style? Once I get my legendary vanquisher and master of the north titles, they may be next on my list.

Why in the hell would you report someone for doing something that does not affect you in ANY way? Do you call the Police every time you see someone speeding, or not using their turn signals properly? If you happen to have any siblings, I feel sorry for them...you prolly go running to mommy every time you see them doing something against the rules.

I haven't seen you high on drugs, but that's no proof that you're not a crack addict.
Why do you care what I report or not? Is botting against the EULA? Yes. Does the reporting facility allow "botting" as a reporting criterion? Yes. Are you a botter? Are you worried that I might have reported you?

And it does affect me. It increases the amount of grind I need to do to have my alliance keep control of a town, which I need for the cheap lockpicks to max my unlucky title. Let's be honest here. HFFF botting is not victimless like drunkard botting.

i wouldnt use macros if i were you.
if u do, u're at risk and don't cry if u get banned

Exactly my point. This is true for nearly all knowledge. Just because you did not observe something (or cannot conceive of something) does not mean that it did not or could not happen. Hence your argument that it is okay to bot in Lutgardis is invalid.

It is valid by the available empirical evidence. If you understood the first thing about empiricism, you would know that one never proves anything. One just finds evidence to support a hypothesis, or makes an observation that falsifies it. So far I haven't, and don't know of anyone who has, made an observation that falsifies the claim "Anet does not ban HFFF botters".

So, you do go running to mommy.

As for my use of a bot, I learned basic a very long time ago, anything beyond that is beyond my abilities. My Kurzick faction is currently <50k.

And Drunkard botting is not victimless. It breaks the EULA, and each time the EULA is broken, a kitten gets herpies.

The main flaw in Esan's arguement is it is often very difficult to tell the difference between a bot and a human HFFF who has a very specific routine. HFFF by definition requires a player to perform "bot like" behavior. Esan assumes all the people he reported were bots, but they could very well have been legitamate players who use the signposts for movements.

Ah, I see that you don't actually have a point then. Good. For a second I was worried that you would present a cogent argument about HFFF botters that would show them in a sympathetic light, but you are just interested in castigation, not dialogue.

Emperical evidence is essential in all proofs, however, negative results do not constitute empirical evidence in any realm of logic. They can be referred to, but never depended on. Failing to see something is hardly empirical evidence as it can be attributed to a number of things:

1) Your eyes were closed - basically, this means the observer was using improper or malfunctioning observation equipment. With the tools at hand, there would be no way to obtain a positive result. The big thing here is that we as players have no way to PROVE that anything we encounter is a bot. We can only guess by behavior. Thus even if you reported someone, it is possible that it stayed simply because it wasn't a bot. HFFF is very repetitive and by the time anyone maxes this title their actions and movements should be so precise that it would be mistaken for bots.

2) Disposition - If the observer does not want to see results, he can easily choose not to. If having a positive result adversely affects any preconceived notions, positive results can be ignored. This is not so easy to do in the scientific realm, but in the statistical realm (such as how many bots that I report get banned) this is very easy. How do you know that the bot you reported got banned? You don't see them anymore, but that doesn't mean it got banned. Maybe it just finished what the user needed it to do. Hence, ignoring the positive result. This also ties into the first in that you cannot actually observe a bot being banned. The absence of a bot is not proof that it was banned, nor does the retention of a bot prove that nothing is done about bots (for it might not even be one).

3) Positive results are not observable - This was foreshadowed above and is most applicable in this scenario. How can you be certain a bot was banned? You can be certain an avatar was not banned, but not certain whether it was a bot. You can fail to encounter an avatar that you assumed to be a bot, but that does not mean that avatar is no longer around. This is an immeasurable assumption and no ammount of empirical evidence can lead to any conclusions.

There is simply no way to prove that nothing is done about bots in Lutgardis, just as it is impossible to prove that something IS done about bots. So why would you encourage someone to cheat when you are already frustrated by it?