Chaos mods for non mes weapons

I hope the title makes it clear. If not.

I would like to see mods for non mesmer weapons, axes, bows, daggers etc that have chaos damage. Why you ask? Why not. We have all the elements, holy damage here and there I believe but I may be wrong. (anyone know?) If not then holy damage mods would be cool as well. a holy damage bow with barrage would be fun as hell against a MM. I dont think this would upset balance much if at all. If so please point out how, I dont mind.


so heres the idea again in a nutshell. I would like to see the following

Chaos mods (weapon does chaos damage)
and if they do not exist then Holy mods as well.

thank you for your time.

~the rat~

No, the game is balanced around physical and elemental damage. Being able to get a source of damage on all physical based attackers that completely bypasses this would break this (and also make that mod utterly critical for every physical attacker to have).

Only if it can be resisted. As it stands, a chaos sword would bypass all known resistances.

1 little problem I see with that:

While sounding cool, if you make them inflluenced by armor : they become flavor-less, boring, just another type of dmg not diferent in ANY way to shadow damage (since not affected by a mantra or another elemantal armor), and as Productivity said we don't need another type of weapon for the sake of having another weapon type.

If you make them armor ignoring, (which in theory sounds cool) you allow powerful spike with little to no way to prevent. The weapon damage being scaled to be affected by armor.

On the other hand... holy weapon would be cool...

Mesmers get Chaos, Necros get Dark, Monks get Holy(and Light before it was changed). Everyone else gets Blunt/Slash/Pierce/Elemental.

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I don't see what the issue is or why a change is needed.

This would be an overpowered mod.
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what he said

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/notsigned (like gameshoes said).

I would like to see mods for caster weapon that do slashing, piercing and blunt damage. Why you ask? Why not.

no awful idea

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yeh, overpowered, like others said
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It would be overpowerd if you just added damage mod. That is solvable by adding new mods to shields and possibly even new insignias. I think that is a bit to much work for the moment (as in: they have better things to do/fix.)

The only way this could work is if something like a chaos mod also comes with a -10 armor clause. That way, people can't get +armor vs your attacks, but you take extra damage.

But yeah, Anet has way too much to do (like fixing clipping issues in some random NPC's shirt) to consider most of the suggestions here.

never thought it would be so hard to do. thanks though. I just want a chaos bow. And its not like it will be implimented. I doubt anything we suggest other than some lame ass weekend event will ever be used.

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~the rat~

FYI, chaos,dark,holy,whatever on wands does NOT ignore armor, it just counts as a different type. Meaning that if you wand a warrior, he has 80 (or 96 with shield) armor still, he just loses the +20 vs physical. If you wand a ranger, she has +70 armor still, losing just the +30 vs elemental.


It would be stupid though just to add different damage types just so people can go: LOLOLOL!!!1111 I HAS CHAOSE DAMAGEZ! Its not going to add to the game at all, just force us to have +armor vs chaos,dark,holy damage, and then we are back to the status quo.

against other players it wouldnt be a big deal. I PvE so thats pretty much all I care about. Alot of creatures have a constant elem resist. None that I know of have holy/chaos resist. In the areas out of kryta with all the undead, holy weapons would be great. esp in hard mode. Why do I want a chaos bow, cause I do. Its not about stupid its about want. I want a lot of things in GW but will never get them. I believe the whole point of this board was for suggestions.

~the rat~

i can sign this... this little "issue" shows perfect, how much potential Anet just wasted.

it is really no big effort to implement into the game some new weapon mods and insignias/runes ect. to balance the new weapon mods.
Such an update would have maybe just only the size of a normal Skill Balancing Update.

its not hard to program such mods and to implement them. This thread is just the typical PvP whinery of peopel, which fear to meet more often then in battles on other players, which attack them and would pwn them more often, due to attackign them with an element, they have in the moment no good defense against.

would anet now implement new weapon mods, every stupid ass would instantly now, what would await him/her now in PvP, that lots of people would instantly start on taking weapons with those new weapon mods into battle..

I heard, people with intelligence can prepare themself against possible new known changes of a game >.>


And really especially pve would make more fun with holy weapons and that there exist no holy weapons, beneath monk staffs/rods is really sad

Potential... wasted? Tell me how adding more types of damage without any real purpose adds to the game? If you add armor mods to counterbalance this implementation you now have extra items, and you're back to the status quo - you've done nothing to add to the game.

Also, stop with the PvP bashing. It adds nothing to your argument and incites people to flame you for your lack of understanding of game balance.

I heard intelligent people reflect on their, and others', actions. This addition actually doesn't do anything to the game except complicate equipment further. So, what is the point of adding this to the game? For fun? In doing so, this opens up a host of other stupid ideas to be implemented in the name of fun due to precedence. A line has to be drawn somewhere, and in a game where balance is crucial, 'coolness' or 'fun' must be secondary.

There are skills to do that for you, which is the price you pay for negating inherent armor bonuses, and double damage vs undead.

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No +10 vs chaos
And chaos is armour ignoring. (Actually I mean, it isnt physical nor elemental.)

~Prof.

I PVE exclusively but this would drastically unbalance the game. In pvp +armor vs ele would be useless, and certain pve skills like heart of holy flame or avatar of balthazar would be considerably less useful.

I'm Wielding a Holy Dragon Sword - White Flame Effect

I'm Wielding a Dark Dragon Sword - Obsidian Flame Effect

I'm Wielding a Chaotic Dragon Sword - Purple Flame Effect


Might look cool, but will need insignia and skills to counter. Will make the armour vs X less effective, due to a higher variety of damage coming your way.

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Potential wasted, in kind of Skill Synergies for example. More Weapon Mods would mean an increasement in possible Skill Synergies. Some of the Smite Skills could receive some nice new effects, they otherwise would never get, because without weapon mods they would make no sense and the holy skills of Dervishs are just only the most cheap solution to this anet could have brought us.

To implement to the game as said some new insignias and runes to balance those new weapon mods is realy no problem that calls out the doom of the world >.>
also some underpowered necromancer skills could receive some nice additional effects, whould exist there a Shadow Damage mod for Melee Weapons.

Certain primary/Secondary combinations would become alot more interesting for the melee classes with such skill synergies with those new damage mods, for example it would be possible to create finally a trustworthy Dark Knight combination out of a W/N tiogether with a melee weapon, that would deal Shadow Damage.


Chaos Damage Mods i would even say no too, but at least Holy (Light) Weapon Mods and Shadow/Dark Weapon Mods should exist, because theoretically those 2 damage types ARE elements, like Fire ect. They are elements of nature of the wheel of 8 elements

its also really no problem with some skill changes to balance those additional weapons by through giving soem classes with soem skills the ability to get better defense versus holy or shadow damage.

Also its really no problem to take out some crappy mesmer skills to to give there for 2 new mantras for holy and shadow damage for example, if the devs don#t find some skills to whose they can add some defensive featurs for those damage types, otherwise get some new normal skills implemented.


it would not make things more complicate, as you say, no it would add to the game pve and pvpwise more depth, it would enable surely alot of new builds and possibilities. What is please so god damn hard on it, juts to get your hands on some new insignias and runes ect, to prepare your characters, if those new mods would exists. Its a thing of some minutes to create equipment versus a certain damage type to be prepaired for it in battles ...

and those few skills, that give characters holy damage for short time could have better effects to give thsoe skills a reason to get used, other then to give charas holy damage, which they could have also too, if anet would have been not so lazy and had given us those weapon mods fro mthe begin on.

Shadow Damage has no special feature, it doesn't ignore armor, so does light damage.

The major fail of anet was only to fuse light damage with holy damage, which are 2 separate different kinds of damage, if you look at them serious.

If Anet would make out of Holy Damage again 2 damage types, one beign Holy Damage and one being Light Damage, there would exist no problem with this damage type then.
The we would get a weapon mod for light damage, and holy damage and chaos damage get both NONE, because of their special effects of ignoring armro and dealing double damage to undeads.

But Shadow and Light Damage at all have no special effects and could be Weapon mods, like the other elements.
Then as said needs the game just some skills changes or new skills to give players more ways to increase your defense vesus shadow and light damage.


Warriors already have their Sentinel Insignia, with that they can increase their defense versus magic, nothign to change on them.

Rangers could simple receive 2 new insignias, 1 increasign their defense against light Damage by 15 Al, the other for Shadow Damage, let them be called for example the "Prism" and "Shade" Insignia

Mesmers simple get 2 new defensive Mantra Skills

Elementalists shoudl receive 2 new Armor Sets of normal and Elite Version.
Givign them the 2 new Insignias of "Lumomancer" and "Umbromancer"
So Light Mage and Shade Mage Armors. This way would become the combinations of E/Mo and E/N alot more interesting for people, which wanted ever to create a sort of White/Black Mage with the looks of an Elementalist ...

Ritualists could receive soem Skill Tweaks simple, just change some effects on soem skills, so that they give soem additional defense versus light or shadow damage, based for example o restoration magic. but any weapon spell or ash skill would do this...

Assassins Shadow Arts is really predestined to be also a defensive attribute against shadow/light damage i'd say, some new skills or skill changes shoudl do the work or just ad some defense powers to their insignias

necromancers should have from natural good defense vs shadow damage, what they need is just some skills to get better defense vs. holy skils, for sacrifincign some mininos or health or so ...

monks vise versa, very good defense against light damage and need only somethign against shadow damage, some of their skills of the protection line can do the job easily

ect pp. I'm sure, anet could give all classes some tweaks to balance such new weapon mods. its no impossible thing to make and could be easily doen with some small to medium updates.

I pesonally really see no problem with such new weapon mods, as logn they exclude Chaos and Holy Damage and Holy Damage gets splitted into 2 different damage types again. Then stays the door open for Light and Shadow Mods and weapons like a Light Dragon Sword and a Shadow Dragon Sword for example would rock so much....

Imo somehow still disappointing enought, that still until today exists no Earth Dragon Sword and no Thunder Dragon Sword to complete at least the 4 Core Elements. Also a point of wasted potential imo, where anet seems absolutely not to care about ...

Chaos, Holy and Dark are not physical neither elemental damage.

There are not particual 'extra armor' effects against them, only when they are dealt with weapons, complete armor can work.

Rangers and elementalists have runes against any of the four elemental damages, and assassins have armor against any of the physical ones in particular.

This would take martial weapon damage out of the scale.

So No.

No, it really doesn't.

Your vision of smite is very different from the skill designers then.

Fun interesting, but not balanced interesting.

As MithranArkanere stated, they are not elements. Chaos/Holy/Shadow do not fit within the current bonus armor parameters, because all three negate the natural and insignia bonuses.

I ask you, nay, implore you to think about what you're posting. Your ideas have done nothing to add to the game, merely complicate the game for the sake of role-playing. Think of "Can't Touch This!" and how useless the skill is because of its limited usefulness. The same can apply to practically everything in your post.

How exactly does it add depth? This requires no skill to pull off, you either have it or you don't. Compare to the skill of linebacking and kiting. Those prevent deaths by lowering the amount of hits you'd take. This? This adds no strategic depth, and there is no current synergy with skills except the ones in your own head.

Congratulations, you have no posted an idea which, if implemented, would add either must have skills/insignia, or useless ones depending on community reaction. Also, this game is Guild Wars, not Final Fantasy, so I suggest you don't apply cosmetic ideas from other games to this one.

Or they could just not spend time implementing this idea and not have to rebalance the game for it.

From what you've posted, there is no wasted potential. All of it is extremely limited, that either no one would take it, or everyone would. You're so focused on trying to create examples, you've forgotten that they're not adding anything useful to the game.

Chaos damage cannot be reduced by any means yet so if this was added it would be imba. If anet added ways to reduce chaos dmg then the casters would just carry around shields with +10 armor vs chaos dmg. Just a colossol waste of time on Anet's part. /Notsigned

would like to point out that we already have these things. I did not make any of them up. I was just asking to move them to all weapons. as there are fire,ice,shock,earth wands. Though I do realize that it could cause problems with balance, I am not sure how. I didnt realize that the elemental insignias were such hot items as they are still cheap as hell at the trader. There for I didnt realise it would cause such a major imbalance. And for RA,AB and other PvPs If you have a team doing ice damage and your are wearing fire based armor it doesnt seem to matter much. Sorry to send everyone into a tizy, since it would cause such an imbalance in the force I withdraw my post.

~the rat~

Elemental insignia's are useless and aren't the point, it's elemental shiedls that are the point for which there is no +10 vs chaos, dark or holy damage and that's where the problem would be.

Would be weird...


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so basically a simple off hand vs chaos etc? thats an easy fiz as well. We are bitching cause a war might actually take some damage? Crap I thought it was something else that mattered. Make a shield for it. I play a sin and tend to take damage pretty easy and I wasnt worried about it. Its just one of those things its damage. You heal, you fight or you die.

make the shields as well. See everyone acts like this is a huge imbalace thing but its not. Make a shield, insignias wouldnt matter because no one really uses the elem ones now. People that i see play seem to worry more about damage and over all armor if they are melee (to my knowledge) and healing or damage for casters.

Seems to be a little noticed trait, damage type, but it would make a big difference in certain (not all) areas of PvE.
~the rat~

You do that and then you break it for the chaos typed damage allready. Currently chaos typed damage has the advantage of it having no +armour mods vs it and the associated items are balanced with that in mind. If you add the weapon mods and the shield mods, you tacitly nerf the skills that are allready chaos typed.

Wrong, we're 'bitching' because they'd deal too much damage.

No skill does chaos damage.

Good point, changed it then.

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Now that they introduced endgame greens in prophecies, I'd like to see Rurik drop a PvE only green that has holy dmg, sundering, etc.

It could be Holy/pve, Slashing/pvp 15-22 (req 9 swordsmanship)