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zwei2stein

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25 Apr 2008 at 07:39 - 1

For long time i though that green hammers with 20/20 15^50 30hp are overly rare (as in, nonexistent), but ever since faction times devs fixed that and they were dropping left and right from anything that looks even remotely warriory:

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Droknar's Maul
Durgon's Maul
Eldritch Maul
Forgotten Hammer
Havok's Maul
Jormungand's Thunder
Kanaxai's Mallet
Vera

And now we got Deldrimor Maul, brand new unique hammer with surprising stats: 20/20 15^50 +30HP. Ninth one in fact

I hereby dare (double dare in fact) developers add yet another 20/20 15^50 +30HP green hammer. Don't be mislead, I would actually love it because after that there would be 10 such hammers, enough to outfit Gorens on all my character with different unique hammers yet with uniform stats.

Make it Mursaat Hammer skin, please. That one is really missing.

(Fine print: this is supposed to be humorous, sorry for fail. I actually like it that actually good features from later chapters are backported to prophecies. However, amount of theese green hammers is ridiculous.)

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

25 Apr 2008 at 07:55 - 2

Assuming you're using hammer heroes for that new Earth Shaker/Yeti Smash fad, I would think that Furious would easily beat out Sundering. Why are you equipping your Gorens with trash?

escoffier

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

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bawls deep [pron]

Rt/W

25 Apr 2008 at 08:02 - 3

i put hammers on my goren heroes as well cause i never use him, but need a nice storage slot for a hammer =)

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

25 Apr 2008 at 08:05 - 4

Earth Shaker/Yet Smash is new? I must be living in a temporal flux.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

25 Apr 2008 at 08:07 - 5

It's a fad among certain people who have their noses too high in the air to use Ursan, but can't live without clockwork AoE knockdowns.

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

25 Apr 2008 at 08:25 - 6

Start another Furious vs Sundering on this or that weapon thread?

Are you dumb, Esan?

Buzzer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Australia

25 Apr 2008 at 08:29 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Why are you equipping your Gorens with trash?

Trash? 20/20 +30 15^50 is the best for heroes...

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

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Mo/Me

25 Apr 2008 at 09:08 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longasc

Start another Furious vs Sundering on this or that weapon thread?

Why aren't there any furios bow strings?

I know I sometimes get into a Barrage-spamming induced Frenzy.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

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25 Apr 2008 at 11:35 - 9

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Originally Posted by cataphract

Why aren't there any furios bow strings?

I know I sometimes get into a Barrage-spamming induced Frenzy.

Well, there is furious daggers prefix for example, Bows miss one. This is not that thread thou. (edit: i stand corrected on scythes)

Anyhow, list of 10% Furious/ 15^50 / 30 green hammers is very skinny:

Mallyx's Maul, Victos Maul, Maul of the Hierophant.

Which is no biggie since anyone with prophecies can produce perfect furious prefixes for hammer at rate of ~3-4 per hour.

There are only two perfect Vampiric Hammer greens, a bit more alarming.

20/20 hammers make 2/3rd of "worth looking into" hammers. Even more alarming.

And worst shocker is, of course, like with all the greens, there is no +5 ar version.

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Originally Posted by Esan

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Only person you managed to insult is yourself. Good job!

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

25 Apr 2008 at 12:02 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longasc

Start another Furious vs Sundering on this or that weapon thread?

The classic debate is between Sundering and Vampiric, not Sundering and Furious. Sundering is just trash, full stop.

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Are you dumb, Esan?

Yes.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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25 Apr 2008 at 12:11 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

For long time i though that green hammers with 20/20 15^50 30hp are overly rare (as in, nonexistent), but ever since faction times devs fixed that and they were dropping left and right from anything that looks even remotely warriory:

{{quoted list not appearing, of course}}

And now we got Deldrimor Maul, brand new unique hammer with surprising stats: 20/20 15^50 +30HP. Ninth one in fact

There's also a half one - the Sundering Rhino's Charge from the GotY /bonus set. It doesn't have the +30 HP, but it can accept a suffix so it's not hard hard to correct.

Scutilla

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Tyrian Explorers League

R/P

25 Apr 2008 at 13:29 - 12

It's a problem with all physical weapons, not just hammers. Go through the EotN green weapon list and virtually all will have at least two of those three mods (sundering, fortitude, 15>50).

I kind of miss those odd Sorrow's Furnace greens, with weird mods like Shocking and Shelter. Sure, a lot of people would prefer something different, but at least they're unique.

I Angra I

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Napa, CA

Inadequately Equipped [GeAr]

R/N

25 Apr 2008 at 13:34 - 13

I don't see what other mods you would really want on a hammer anyway, those mods are the best for them. Axe and sword are a little different of course though.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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25 Apr 2008 at 13:41 - 14

I'm not supper hapy with the endgame greens as of late, no variety.

And I agree, I'd like to see somethings witha +5 AR or +7 Vs X.

I guess ANet is going for a "Make the majority happy" approach, which makes sense in the long run, instead of creating truly "rare" weapons that could/would be held onto as a collectable.

As it is this far into the life of the game I'm pretty damned fully outfitted, so I just go in and grab what looks nice knowing I'll never use it and yeah, maybe chuck it onto a Hero.

Sure their are people getting to the end of games on new accounts for the first time ever, but come on, the same stats on everything in every end game? Meh, I'll go back and do Hell's someday but I'm in no hurry.

HOWEVER, I do thank ANet for the new content rather nice of them to add something at no cost to me.

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

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25 Apr 2008 at 13:49 - 15

WTB Intelligence for Esan.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

25 Apr 2008 at 14:07 - 16

greens are outclassed since inscriptions anyway... might as well just buy the gold version if you want something

zwei2stein

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26 Apr 2008 at 12:47 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by IlikeGW

greens are outclassed since inscriptions anyway... might as well just buy the gold version if you want something

Well, they are cheap access to max stats ... if you like those stats.

??iljo

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

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26 Apr 2008 at 14:51 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Make it Mursaat Hammer skin, please. That one is really missing.

yea,and lets make all rare skin weaps into crap green modded...wait,got a better one
lets make a collectors green armor that looks like obsidian armor...

yep,it's a fail alright!

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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26 Apr 2008 at 19:37 - 19

Lol lol just use Ursan n00bs, Goren or better Zenmai and Anton + Ursan is a win l00s3rs, maybe give them save yourselves because they suck at maintaining skills l0l id10t5 and they should have a/w to spam dragon slash and like shoot lazor beamz from eyez!!!11

[/heavy sarcasm]

But lol, seriously Furious is better than Sundering... More earthshakers + more aoe > a bit stronger auto-attacking by a low chance.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 20:27 - 20

I much prefer the skins of the PvP hammers and like the one Devona uses.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

26 Apr 2008 at 21:04 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzer

Trash? 20/20 +30 15^50 is the best for heroes...

And yet another noob enters our midst.

I'm just surprised there's not any Fire or Cold Green Hammers as with the conjures from the ele line and even mark of rodgort from the fire line make these hammers better than any sundering or furious mod ever. I never leave home without both of them and of course adjust which I used based on what we are about to face. I took a cold hammer in Hell's Principe with Conjure frost and Primal Rage and was pounding things for 120dmg nearly every hit. Not everything, but, most things and especially things that were fire oriented. Plus, the Lich I was hitting for 100-120dmg as well with my build. <grin>

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

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26 Apr 2008 at 21:04 - 22

They should just let you custom select what you want on your green item. If you want to change it, you have to pay a few plat.

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

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26 Apr 2008 at 21:11 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

But lol, seriously Furious is better than Sundering... More earthshakers + more aoe > a bit stronger auto-attacking by a low chance.

That arguement is totally irrelevant, since any good players know how to weapon swap.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

26 Apr 2008 at 21:23 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarun

They should just let you custom select what you want on your green item. If you want to change it, you have to pay a few plat.

Fortunately they allow you to buy gold weapons in the new endgame of Prophecies for deldrimor steel and some other resources (about 20k total at the prices of the resources as they are now). So, you can buy the Deldrimor skins and still get the mods you want. Wish they would do that in all chapters/expansions now.

DarkGanni

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26 Apr 2008 at 21:31 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Fortunately they allow you to buy gold weapons in the new endgame of Prophecies for deldrimor steel and some other resources (about 20k total at the prices of the resources as they are now). So, you can buy the Deldrimor skins and still get the mods you want. Wish they would do that in all chapters/expansions now.

I don't see that happening since the factions endgame green weapons can drop as gold version in Urgoz and the Deep, For NF I don't know what to say since the endgame items already can be replicated with a gold except for the warrior, ranger and caster weapons.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

26 Apr 2008 at 21:37 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkGanni

I don't see that happening since the factions endgame green weapons can drop as gold version in Urgoz and the Deep, For NF I don't know what to say since the endgame items already can be replicated with a gold except for the warrior, ranger and caster weapons.

Shiro's Sword and Daggers...?

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

26 Apr 2008 at 22:16 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightow

Shiro's Sword and Daggers...?

Damn must have missed gold ones of those!

sundering crits :F
Who cares anyway anything works in pve.

Chronos the Defiler

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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26 Apr 2008 at 22:29 - 28

I much like my Furious and Shocking hammers, always helpful, never found Sundering any use :/

Furious Destroyer maul of Fortitude and Shocking Mursaat Maul of Enchanting (don't ask :P)

CagedinSanity

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Away from you.

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26 Apr 2008 at 23:24 - 29

I would use Hammers more but last I checked, they don't have the best of skill selection. Things don't compliment each other.

Has this been changed at all?

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

27 Apr 2008 at 01:02 - 30

Quote:

except for the warrior, ranger and caster weapons.

Well, LOL, that's just like 75%+ of the main weapons in the game dude. lol

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

27 Apr 2008 at 02:44 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by CagedinSanity

I would use Hammers more but last I checked, they don't have the best of skill selection. Things don't compliment each other.

Has this been changed at all?

Stay in PvE.

ZenRgy

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27 Apr 2008 at 02:49 - 32

ITT hammers are bad and knockdowns aren't worth mentioning.

zwei2stein

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27 Apr 2008 at 07:56 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

That arguement is totally irrelevant, since any good players know how to weapon swap.

Heroes dont swap thou ... so they are best off with build-agnostic weapons.

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

27 Apr 2008 at 07:58 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Heroes dont swap thou ... so they are best off with build-agnostic weapons.

Oh, PvE, well, being good matters not there, you could use any mods (or even a none max damage) and still win easily.