well as you can guess from the title i'm lost whether or not to get a tormented recurve bow or a tormented shortbow . i would be getting a recurve bow , however recently i aquired a dest rec bow , so what do you think i should do ? feedback would be greatly appreciated , seeing as i have no clue about this . if i got a dest bow i could always put zealous mod on ,, so i have a purpose for both rec bows , but what do you think?
ty for taking time to read + respond
tormented bow - rec or short
Hara Makoto
Tyla
Recurve, Shortbows usually need a bad build to be good.
Clarissa F
Recurve. The most options. For the range of a shortbow you might as well have a spear.
SnipiousMax
Recurve is what you'll actually use. Short bows aren't actually all that useful.
Pyro maniac
recurve, you'll use them (far) more often then shortbows
the savage nornbear
recurve 12 char
Keekles
recurve bows > all.
MasterSasori
Recurve is best. Short bow has certain uses and has an overall higher damage output compared to recurve thanks to the higher frequency of firing, but recurve is more ranged and more accurate which is simply better.
Adja1005
The recurve bow is by far the best bow class in the game, short bows are just pointless and as a guildie once said to me "its a nerfed flatbow!".
Luminarus
Recurve definitely...
the only time i bother with a short bow is when using BHA because I normally get relatively close before firing, then i swap to my recurve, or in 1v1 scrims vs a warrior because i know they gonna be up in my face anyways, so better to get the IAS.
the only time i bother with a short bow is when using BHA because I normally get relatively close before firing, then i swap to my recurve, or in 1v1 scrims vs a warrior because i know they gonna be up in my face anyways, so better to get the IAS.
Trvth Jvstice
I use a Recurve as my main bow, a vampiric shortbow in my secondary slot, and a flatbow in my 3rd. I switch to the shortbow when I find myself closer to a mob - it also helps with [[Screaming Shot] because it automatically places you in the proper range.
Adja1005
Recurve Bows have a medium range, medium refire rate and a very low bow arc resulting in amazing accuracy and speed. The perfect bow for all round use for mostly every build.
Short Bows however have a very short range, medium accuracy and a fast fire rate which may seem good but is ultimately not that usefull. A Ranger should be attacking enemies range (pun intended) and not be face to face with them.
Personally i would say go for the Recurve Bow and ignore the Short Bow because as Tyla said to make use of a Short Bow you generally have to use a bad build.
Short Bows however have a very short range, medium accuracy and a fast fire rate which may seem good but is ultimately not that usefull. A Ranger should be attacking enemies range (pun intended) and not be face to face with them.
Personally i would say go for the Recurve Bow and ignore the Short Bow because as Tyla said to make use of a Short Bow you generally have to use a bad build.
Red Sand
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
I use a Recurve as my main bow, a vampiric shortbow in my secondary slot, and a flatbow in my 3rd. I switch to the shortbow when I find myself closer to a mob
Makes sense to me, probably because I pretty much use the same set up. 
Trvth Jvstice
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Personally i would say go for the Recurve Bow and ignore the Short Bow because as Tyla said to make use of a Short Bow you generally have to use a bad build
Tyla (among others) has made it clear that the only build a ranger should use is BHA, D-Shot, Savage Shot, and possibly Epidemic. I like D Shot, Savage Shot, [[Burning Arrow], [[Screaming Shot], [[Poison Tip Signet], and [[Volley]. D Shot and Savage Shot are enough for interrupts and you're left with a few slots to do some real damage. With a minor rune and leftover points in Wilderness Survival, you get 10 seconds of poison on your enemies.
It doesn't make sense to limit yourself to only one bow. Take 3 because you'll inevitably find yourself close enough to a mob to make good use of a vampiric shortbow.
It doesn't make sense to limit yourself to only one bow. Take 3 because you'll inevitably find yourself close enough to a mob to make good use of a vampiric shortbow.
zling
Recurve ftw
Short is just not useful... even at short range the difference between 2.4 fire rate to 2.0 is not that big. Ranger isnt a dps class in the first place, and accuracy>a bit faster fire rate...
Short is just not useful... even at short range the difference between 2.4 fire rate to 2.0 is not that big. Ranger isnt a dps class in the first place, and accuracy>a bit faster fire rate...
Trvth Jvstice
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Originally Posted by zling
Recurve ftw
Short is just not useful... even at short range the difference between 2.4 fire rate to 2.0 is not that big. Ranger isnt a dps class in the first place, and accuracy>a bit faster fire rate... So what you're saying is a Ranger should only carry one bow - a Recurve. Imo the faster fire rate on a Shortbow is enough to warrant carrying one for when in shortbow range. The extra dmg when using a Vampiric mod adds a little pressure. The condition applying skills mentioned in my above post aren't for added DPS - they're for added pressure and as I said, 2 interrupts are enough on one character while playing in PVE. If I was filling the role of an interrupt/shutdown Ranger - I would use the standard BHA interrupt build.
EDIT: Again, if you can afford them, Every ranger should carry: A Recurve Bow for Normal use, a Vampiric Short bow for up close use, and a Flatbow for pulling/ranged attacks.
Short is just not useful... even at short range the difference between 2.4 fire rate to 2.0 is not that big. Ranger isnt a dps class in the first place, and accuracy>a bit faster fire rate... So what you're saying is a Ranger should only carry one bow - a Recurve. Imo the faster fire rate on a Shortbow is enough to warrant carrying one for when in shortbow range. The extra dmg when using a Vampiric mod adds a little pressure. The condition applying skills mentioned in my above post aren't for added DPS - they're for added pressure and as I said, 2 interrupts are enough on one character while playing in PVE. If I was filling the role of an interrupt/shutdown Ranger - I would use the standard BHA interrupt build.
EDIT: Again, if you can afford them, Every ranger should carry: A Recurve Bow for Normal use, a Vampiric Short bow for up close use, and a Flatbow for pulling/ranged attacks.
Adja1005
If enemies come within shortbow range then i'm more inclined to use a flatbow instead of the shortbow. Atleast the flatbow can hit at long range where as with a shortbow your limited to being in close range.
Really there is no use for shortbows when the other bow types out perform them.
Really there is no use for shortbows when the other bow types out perform them.
Red Sand
If I was unable to swap out weapons, I would take only a Recurve. A Recurve is like an adjustable wrench: whatever the job, you can probably make it work.
But just as no good mechanic should limit themselves to just one wrench in their tool box, no good Ranger should limit themsleves to just one bow.
I'm a man that likes to use the right tool for the job: I bring a Recurve for most of my archery duties, a Flatbow for when I need to reach out and touch someone, and a Short bow for when they get in my face.
But you guys probably know what you're doing.
But just as no good mechanic should limit themselves to just one wrench in their tool box, no good Ranger should limit themsleves to just one bow.
I'm a man that likes to use the right tool for the job: I bring a Recurve for most of my archery duties, a Flatbow for when I need to reach out and touch someone, and a Short bow for when they get in my face.
But you guys probably know what you're doing.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
Tyla (among others) has made it clear that the only build a ranger should use is BHA, D-Shot, Savage Shot, and possibly Epidemic. I like D Shot, Savage Shot, [[Burning Arrow], [[Screaming Shot], [[Poison Tip Signet], and [[Volley]. D Shot and Savage Shot are enough for interrupts and you're left with a few slots to do some real damage. With a minor rune and leftover points in Wilderness Survival, you get 10 seconds of poison on your enemies.
It doesn't make sense to limit yourself to only one bow. Take 3 because you'll inevitably find yourself close enough to a mob to make good use of a vampiric shortbow. And who said that?
Recurve sees the most use because of it's power.
It can be used anywhere, and if you need to snipe down targets or pull, Longbows or Flatbows do that job.
Where do Shortbows come into the mix? Never. Their use, as said, makes it more worth bringing a Spear build.
It doesn't make sense to limit yourself to only one bow. Take 3 because you'll inevitably find yourself close enough to a mob to make good use of a vampiric shortbow. And who said that?
Recurve sees the most use because of it's power.
It can be used anywhere, and if you need to snipe down targets or pull, Longbows or Flatbows do that job.
Where do Shortbows come into the mix? Never. Their use, as said, makes it more worth bringing a Spear build.
Trvth Jvstice
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Where do Shortbows come into the mix? Never. Their use, as said, makes it more worth bringing a Spear build.
Imagine, if you will, you're playing your Ranger alongside your Hero/Hench pals. The mob you're attacking closes and you find your Ranger in close range to the pve baddies - they are ignoring your mele buddies and are now attacking your Cynn and Ogden. At this point do you want to be able to do more damage by switching to a Vampiric Shortbow, or continue as you are - knowing that you are doing less damage using a Recurve bow? And-Switching to a spear would disable your bow attacks.
Why would you ever opt for doing less damage when you can do more damage by simply switching to a different bow?
Why would you ever opt for doing less damage when you can do more damage by simply switching to a different bow?
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
Imagine, if you will, you're playing your Ranger alongside your Hero/Hench pals. The mob you're attacking closes and you find your Ranger in close range to the pve baddies - they are ignoring your mele buddies and are now attacking your Cynn and Ogden. At this point do you want to be able to do more damage by switching to a Vampiric Shortbow, or continue as you are - knowing that you are doing less damage using a Recurve bow? And-Switching to a spear would disable your bow attacks.
Why would you ever opt for doing less damage when you can do more damage by simply switching to a different bow? A benefit for the Spear build is that you can use 2 +30 mods and the extra defense granted by the shield. Not so sure if the damage is really important though.
Why would you ever opt for doing less damage when you can do more damage by simply switching to a different bow? A benefit for the Spear build is that you can use 2 +30 mods and the extra defense granted by the shield. Not so sure if the damage is really important though.
Red Sand
I thought this was a discussion on which bow to use, not one on Ranger using Paragon builds.
But I guess you guys know what you're doing.
But I guess you guys know what you're doing.
DarkGanni
I personally would pick recurve.
Just another 2 cents
Just another 2 cents
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
Why would you ever opt for doing less damage when you can do more damage by simply switching to a different bow?
Why bother carrying around a shortbow when you can just 'whip out' your flatbow that you should have for pulling anyway, that acts exactly like a shortbow at shortbow range.
Trvth Jvstice
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Why bother carrying around a shortbow when you can just 'whip out' your flatbow that you should have for pulling anyway, that acts exactly like a shortbow at shortbow range.
I put a Vampiric mod on my Shortbow and a Poison mod on my Flatbow - I like to initiate attacks with Poison Tip Signet and the Flatbow.
I was terribly disappointed though to find out Volley doesn't poison adjacent targets (pointed out in a different thread). I thought, what a great way to begin an attack - with up to 4 enemies poisoned. So the extra bow doesn't pan out quite as well as I had thought.
I was terribly disappointed though to find out Volley doesn't poison adjacent targets (pointed out in a different thread). I thought, what a great way to begin an attack - with up to 4 enemies poisoned. So the extra bow doesn't pan out quite as well as I had thought.
Red Sand
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However, I'll bet that if you go to the Isle of the Nameless and practice archery on the Master of Healing, you'll score considerably more hits with a shortbow than you will with a flatbow, at shortbow ranges.
The shortbow's advantages of medium arc and short flight time make the arrow that much harder to dodge. If the arc and flight time were not important, no one would use recurves.
So overall, I'd have to say that "exactly" is not exactly "exactly".
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
I put a Vampiric mod on my Shortbow and a Poison mod on my Flatbow
Same here. My flat and my recurve have poison mods, my short is vampiric, for increased dps at very close range.
Trvth Jvstice
@Red Sand, that's exactly what I was thinking, but I decided not to argue the point - glad someone did
The Shortbow and the Flatbow have the same fire rate, but the Flatbow has a higher arc and a longer flight time - therefore, as you said it will inevitably miss it's target more often than the Shortbow. That aside, in the long run it probably won't make a noticeable difference. I personally like having more options at hand - just my style of play.
Hara Makoto
got the rec bow a couple of weeks ago .. really pleased i did .. so much better than short
Red Sand
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got the rec bow a couple of weeks ago .. really pleased i did .. so much better than short
Now you tell us. /chuckles Like I said earlier, the recurve is like the adjustable wrench of bows.
Zydonis
My primary bow is a Recurve. Also use longbows. Imho, Flatbows, Hornbows, & to a lesser extent, Shortbows have no use if you have a Longbow & a Recurve.
mathijn_
lol, i have 12 bows on my ranger :P
and only 2 recurves  i think you should pick a bow depending on your style, if you play low hp ranger, the extra range of a longbow might be helpfull, if you play close to you target, using daze or inc-arrows, a shortbow is nice. and so i can think of a dozen of other uses per bow :P
Taisayacho
Recurve ftw in almost all situations
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