Endgame greens ruin the price of other greens. To me end game greens are like going to walmart to buy groceries, yeah its the same stuff. and its cheaper, but it tastes like crap cause its from walmart. I mean nearly all greens go for like 5k now a days because you can get the perfect staff, axe whatever from end game greens. And if you beat Factions, Nightfall, and GWEN then you have three end game greens. EGGs (ha i acronymed it) screw up the weapons market.
Greens are unique because they are a pain in the ass to get, EGGs are not unique at all, they are Walmart weapons. I know we can't do away with them, but i was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.
Some Beef with EGGs
Blayza Baygo
Racthoh
The end game greens tend to have bad perfect stats like -5/20 and +60 health staves. I feel bad just giving those to heroes.
Sora267
Mmm...Beef...Eggs....
Anyways, even if there weren't any "EGG"s, there would be a lot of low-priced greens anyways. It's green farmers and the fact that these greens have been out for months, most of them years, that reduce the price of a specific green, not end game greens.
Edit: And I agree with Racthoh.
Anyways, even if there weren't any "EGG"s, there would be a lot of low-priced greens anyways. It's green farmers and the fact that these greens have been out for months, most of them years, that reduce the price of a specific green, not end game greens.
Edit: And I agree with Racthoh.
Lex
When I finished Prophecies for 1st time long time ago I was missing some reward for doing this. Factions introduced rewards and I feel they are good for casual player.
Witchblade
an end-chest like in dungeons would have been a lot better
RPGmaniac
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When I finished Prophecies for 1st time long time ago I was missing some reward for doing this. Factions introduced rewards and I feel they are good for casual player.
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graverobber2
i agree with blayza
might be better if you could only craft endgame weapons, like they do in prophecies now: 10K, 10 D.steel (which cost about 1K each) and 10 steel
total price: around 22K
these don't ruin the economie, since you gotta be stupid to sell these any cheaper to others
EotN has the same thing with D-weapons (5K + 10 onyx & 10 diamond => total value of around 25K)
(didn't really calculate the values)
endgame weapons are nice to give to heroes, however.
maybe automatically costumize them?
might be better if you could only craft endgame weapons, like they do in prophecies now: 10K, 10 D.steel (which cost about 1K each) and 10 steel
total price: around 22K
these don't ruin the economie, since you gotta be stupid to sell these any cheaper to others
EotN has the same thing with D-weapons (5K + 10 onyx & 10 diamond => total value of around 25K)
(didn't really calculate the values)
endgame weapons are nice to give to heroes, however.
maybe automatically costumize them?
Alex the Great
eggs and beef? /runs to make a breakfast biscuit
I like endgame greens, helps me outfit my heros, and on the off-chance they have good stats I may acctually end up useing them (like cerimonial daggers for my sin, the Deldrimor javilin for my para, and the caster spear from NF for my monk)
I like endgame greens, helps me outfit my heros, and on the off-chance they have good stats I may acctually end up useing them (like cerimonial daggers for my sin, the Deldrimor javilin for my para, and the caster spear from NF for my monk)
draugr
I use endgame greens to get "forget me not" inscribed foci on the cheap. Saves lots of plat.
Master Knightfall
EGGs are not the perfect items you might think. For instance the perfect caster staff for the majority of casters would be 20HSR/20HCS 30/30. Most of the endgame caster staves are +10+5e 20 HSR and 60hp. I don't really care for those. I'd rather have the 20/20 HSR/HCS and 60hps. +5 to the already high energy pool of ele's is really nothing compared to HCS every 5 casts average. Same for Necros and Mesmers and any other casters with long cast times. Of course it's always a preference thing, some like it hot some like it cold you'll never get everyone to agree on anything really as far as weapons go that is of any significance.
Monks are the exception, but, I think they give up a lot by taking swords/spears and shields. Best they can get on a sword is +10 HSR and then the +30hp and the +5e. I guess they like that +8 armor from the shield and gawd knows what they add as a buffer with the +30hp I usually put a +10vs slashing or blunt for my heroes though.
Monks are the exception, but, I think they give up a lot by taking swords/spears and shields. Best they can get on a sword is +10 HSR and then the +30hp and the +5e. I guess they like that +8 armor from the shield and gawd knows what they add as a buffer with the +30hp I usually put a +10vs slashing or blunt for my heroes though.
dunky_g
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
The end game greens tend to have bad perfect stats like -5/20 and +60 health staves. I feel bad just giving those to heroes.
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end game greens are modded for people that dont have any idea how to mod weapons to the spec that you need and are for an easy way to have a max weapon by the end of a campaign, its more aimed at the poor/newbie market.
slowerpoke
they should add wep crafters to the other endgame areas
natural_Causes
I want eggs, with beef 
@OP, I don't think it's end game golds that dropped the prices, its green farming. I just give my end game weapons to my heros
@OP, I don't think it's end game golds that dropped the prices, its green farming. I just give my end game weapons to my heros
graverobber2
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
they should add wep crafters to the other endgame areas
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untill the release of NF, those where one of the only ways of having a +5 energy weapons (after the denravi sword got removed out of the game)
maybe reskin those, make them inscriptable and a bit more expensive?
Vinraith
They're a nice little bonus, and since they're horribly non-optimal mod-wise I don't see how they could be that bad for the market.
Nightow
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
they should add wep crafters to the other endgame areas
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Seriously though, what else would be a proper reward? Most of the time end dungeon chests give sucky skins/mods and being able to craft elite armor isn't exactly much of a reward either.
Toxage
I AM OUTRAGED! People get access to decent weapons without grinding for hours! CASUAL PLAYERS HAVE THE SAME STATS AS ME! How will I overcome my lack of skill?
I'm going to go to WOW, where hardcore players who play 10+ hours a day roll the casual crowd.
/Sarcasm Deactivate
I'm going to go to WOW, where hardcore players who play 10+ hours a day roll the casual crowd.
/Sarcasm Deactivate
Kumu Honua
Sorry for this...
Which came first? The Chestkin or the EGG?
I really am.
Which came first? The Chestkin or the EGG?
I really am.
sir fluffums
hahaha, well i never get any drops farming with my sin. i suppose im just unlcky. so sometimes i feel like they are almost neccasary to me.
MagicWarrior
I personally like getting an end-game item when finishing a game... kind of like a souvenir of what was done.
Jetdoc
Greens, almost right after they were introduced, were nothing but glorified weapons you could get from a collector. Perfectly functional with the occassional unique skin, but for the most part worthless as they were easily acquirable. Perfect for the casual player.
sir fluffums
or maybe they should make endgame items custonized to an accont. not the one char but to the account
HuntMaster Avatar
I love EGGS, Because after beating a campaign I get a reward for my effort. It's useful, helps me out alot with hero items, So far I'v got a ton of greens for my heroes, Most of which I farmed or bought.
I'm glad the prices are dropping on greens. Its nice that you don't have to spend 20-50k for something that isnt really worth it.
I can farm a green faster than I can farm 20-50k. So I only ever buy cheapo's. And I rarely sell greens I get.
EGGS give players like myself who do not want to farm, or do not have the time, a perty new green to dump off on a hero, or use if we are hurting for a weapon.
Greens are so common now I customize them all. At one point I had 11 kanaxai axes, and thats a rather hard green to get. I was buying them for 5-10k. I think the money is with Golds, not greens.
I'm glad the prices are dropping on greens. Its nice that you don't have to spend 20-50k for something that isnt really worth it.
I can farm a green faster than I can farm 20-50k. So I only ever buy cheapo's. And I rarely sell greens I get.
EGGS give players like myself who do not want to farm, or do not have the time, a perty new green to dump off on a hero, or use if we are hurting for a weapon.
Greens are so common now I customize them all. At one point I had 11 kanaxai axes, and thats a rather hard green to get. I was buying them for 5-10k. I think the money is with Golds, not greens.
Crom The Pale
I think the Greens, ALL of them were added to the game as a much simpler means of aquireing a perfect weapon/shield/offhand.
Keep in mind that they were added long before inscriptions, when finding a 15^50 weapon or a 15eneryg-1regen was neerly impossible and they all sold for 50-100K+.
Add now Hero's into the mix and it could be very hard equiping them without cheep easy to get greens.
The farmed greens really drop in price after a few weeks/months so that they are just as worthless as the end game greens.
Keep in mind that they were added long before inscriptions, when finding a 15^50 weapon or a 15eneryg-1regen was neerly impossible and they all sold for 50-100K+.
Add now Hero's into the mix and it could be very hard equiping them without cheep easy to get greens.
The farmed greens really drop in price after a few weeks/months so that they are just as worthless as the end game greens.
Esprit
I like my green Wayward Wand thank you very much.
Angelica
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an end-chest like in dungeons would have been a lot better
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Okay, it was in normal mode but I find it not fair.
/Angelica
HawkofStorms
I kinda agree with the OP. I mean, now whenever I beat a campaign, I DREAD getting another endgame green. I just don't need 20 some EGGs filling my invintory space when I already have all the weapons I want/need on my characters.
& @ Crom the Pale... yeah, collector weapons sure were IMPOSSIBLE to get.
& @ Crom the Pale... yeah, collector weapons sure were IMPOSSIBLE to get.
Lex
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I mean, now whenever I beat a campaign, I DREAD getting another endgame green. I just don't need 20 some EGGs filling my invintory space when I already have all the weapons I want/need on my characters.
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Second, not all players have 20(greens)/4(campains)=5 PvE characters to complete all chapters. So that is not so big number of greens for casual/average player.
Stormlord Alex
Greens are good. End-game greens are better.
GW is good in that it hands out free, perfect stuff to the casual masses.
If you don't like it, there's always crystallines/r7s/uber-rare minis to make your e-peen 3 sizes bigger. Or, you know... you can go find another game that caters for your tastes.
GW is good in that it hands out free, perfect stuff to the casual masses.
If you don't like it, there's always crystallines/r7s/uber-rare minis to make your e-peen 3 sizes bigger. Or, you know... you can go find another game that caters for your tastes.
agrios
Nonsense.
Greens doesnt affect other itens prices. It just makes decent gear avaliable for non-hardcores.
Over-the-top rare stuff will always have over-the-top prices (like 100k+380e for an Eternal Blade lol).
Greens doesnt affect other itens prices. It just makes decent gear avaliable for non-hardcores.
Over-the-top rare stuff will always have over-the-top prices (like 100k+380e for an Eternal Blade lol).
byteme!
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Endgame greens ruin the price of other greens.
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Since when were greens meant to be pricey and catered to the rich?
distilledwill
They couldnt add an end-game chest as it would be subject to serious abuse (shiro farming anyone?), similarly they couldnt limit it to a one time open because if you got a crappy diamond or something after completing the game, when others are getting rare max golds... you'd be a little peeved.
End game greens are fine, it takes about the same amount of energy to complete a campaign once than it does to farm a green of the same stats.
I do, however, think that they should make the collector item (eg, Deldrimor Token, Amulet of the Mists etc) untradable.
End game greens are fine, it takes about the same amount of energy to complete a campaign once than it does to farm a green of the same stats.
I do, however, think that they should make the collector item (eg, Deldrimor Token, Amulet of the Mists etc) untradable.
enxa
I wish there was a Walmart in Serbia (Novi Sad preferably)...
CyberNigma
I like wal-mart and I like greens, including end-game greens. Greens were made so that people could get them without dealing with the gold item market. Although there has always been a green market, it is much shorter lived for most items than golds are. I say leave them be. I also think the op is an elitsist whiner in both the giving out greens and going to wal-mart cases.
Xx_Sorin_xX
free hero food makes me happy.
kobey
Green haven't been worthed anything ever since factions. The only reason it is worthed something in prophecies is because its the only way to get perfect weapons for the majority of players.
After faction whereby more farmable greens are available, the green market haven't recovered ever since. The only difference now is just rare skin vs common skin. Stats wise, it doesn't matter. ie you don't pay higher for greens that have superior mods.
After faction whereby more farmable greens are available, the green market haven't recovered ever since. The only difference now is just rare skin vs common skin. Stats wise, it doesn't matter. ie you don't pay higher for greens that have superior mods.
Dr Strangelove
I like Wally World, and I like not having to grind for every last item in the game.
the savage nornbear
w00t puns! but yea end game greens need decent stats. not eveyone wants +60 health
Snow Bunny
Gotta outfit my heroes somehow....
Operative 14
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't people able to craft or mod perfect weapons since the beggining of the game?
Greens, I was under the impression, were valuable not only becuase they have perfect stats, but mostly becuase they have unique skins. How are end game greens different from being able to craft weapons? If people are willing to pay extra for a green simply becuase it's a green that's one thing, but I always thought people wanted them mostly for their unique skins.
Greens, I was under the impression, were valuable not only becuase they have perfect stats, but mostly becuase they have unique skins. How are end game greens different from being able to craft weapons? If people are willing to pay extra for a green simply becuase it's a green that's one thing, but I always thought people wanted them mostly for their unique skins.