Old 3-hero PvE 'godlike' build - Vanished?

I haven't played the game in a while, but I do remember the last time I played, I had used a 3-hero build which worked very well in PvE. However, I can't seem to find the thread (it was a big thread at the time) on here anymore. Is the build nerfed?

It used a Mo/Me, P/W, and E/Mo

[build prof=Mo/Me][Guardian][Reversal of Fortune][Protective Spirit][Restore Condition][Aegis][Inspired Hex][Channeling][Resurrection Chant][/build]
[build prof=P/W][Flurry][Go For The Eyes][Watch Yourself][Energizing Finale][Aria of Zeal][Leader's Comfort][Signet of Return][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=E/Mo][Blurred Vision][Freezing Gust][Aura of Restoration][Ward Against Melee][Ward Against Foes][Ice Spikes][Deep Freeze][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Let me know,
Posmo

That looks like an old, old, crusty build.

Try Sabway or Racway.
Both are exceedingly strong offensively and defensively.

Besides those builds being very subpar, I would also have to agree w/ Antithesis and try sabway/racway.

alright, thanks for the info. I'd figured they'd be crappy after a while :P

I think he may be referring to the Barrage Ranger, command Paragon, and RC Monk build.

However, due to excessive nerfing that basically screwed over the purpose of the build, it was trashed.

It went something like

[skill]Barrage[/skill][skill]"Go for the Eyes![/skill][skill]Savage Shot[/skill][skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]"Stand Your Ground![/skill]
the Barrage would just shoot and kill stuff, spam GftE, alternate SYG! with the Paragon

[skill]Song of Restoration[/skill][skill]Finale of Restoration[/skill][skill]Energizing Finale[/skill][skill]"Go for the Eyes![/skill][skill]"Stand Your Ground![/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill]

this guy would spam WY! and SYG! along with various finales to buff the party. WY! was 5s duration and no recharge, Energizing Finale gave +3 energy, SYG! and WY! stacked for a total of +44 armor, GftE! had no recharge, SoR healed the entire party for 100 every 15 seconds... ah the good old days

And then an RC Monk. It didn't really have anything to do with the rest of the team unless the area had a lot of blind and stuff that needed to be dealt with.

The Builds I set up on my heroes work rather well. I havn't tried it in HM with just heroes *except for Ascalon areas, and it works well there* So I don't know how "good" it really is. But I'll post it anyways.

Prot Monk:
[build prof=Mo/E ProtectionPrayers=12+3+1 DivineFavor=12][Reversal of Fortune][Dismiss Condition][Protective Spirit][Guardian][Zealous Benediction][Shield of Absorption][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Rebirth][/build]
Equipment=Basic Caster Martial Weapon (+5 eng and +20% enchant)
Runes=Sup Prot, 5 radiant, 2 attunement, 1 Recovery, 1 vigor


Command Para:
[build prof=P/W Leadership=10+1+1 SpearMastery=10+2 Command=11+1][Spear of Lightning][Spear of Redemption][Blazing Spear]["Never Give Up!"]["Never Surrender!"][Defensive Anthem][Leader's Comfort][Signet Of return][/build]

Command Varient:
[build prof=P/W Leadership=10+1+1 SpearMastery=10+2 Command=11+1][Merciless Spear][Spear of Redemption][Spear of Lightning][Angelic Bond]["Never Give Up!"][Never Surrender!"]["Fall Back!"][Signet of Return][/build]

Either Version:
Equipment=20/20. 15^50, +30 Spear -5(20%) +30 command shield
Runes=3 Survivor *head, gloves, boots* 2 radiant *chest, leggings* 1 Minor Command, 1 Minor Leadership, 1 Major Spear, 1 Vigor


Minion Bomber Necro:
[build prof=N/Rt DeathMagic=12+3+1 SoulReaping=10 ChannelingMagic=8][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Horror][Jagged Bones][Death Nova][Splinter Weapon][Dark Bond][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

Minion Master Necro Varient:
[build prof=N/Mo DeathMagic=12+3+1 SoulReaping=12][Animate Bone Fiend][Animate Bone Horror][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Flesh Golem][Death Nova][Consume Corpse][Verata's Sacrifice][Resurrect][/build]

Either Necro Version:
Equipment: Death Staff, +5 eng, +5eng^50, +1 Mastery (20%)
Runes:4 Radiant, 1 Bloodstain, 1 Major Death, 3 Attunement, 1 Vigor

Ritualist Varient: *for areas with few corpses*
[build prof=Rt ChannelingMagi=12+3+1 RestorationMagic=11 SpawningPower=6][Bloodsong][Ancestor's Rage][Essence Strike][Spirit Burn][Spirit Rift][Mend Body and Soul][Offering of Spirit][Death Pact Signet][/build]
Ritualist Version:
Equipment: Channeling Staff, +5 eng, +5eng^50, +1 Mastery (20%)
Runes:5 Radiant, 1 Major Channeling, 2 Attunement, 1 Recovery, 1 Vigor

Note: I made these up on my own, so if these builds already exist, didn't know so don't flame me on that please.

Edit: Changed spear skills on Paragon, forgot that I found better attacks instead of those that were up. I would also like to add that my Paragon skills are limited, as I don't use them much and have yet to unlock many of those skills. So there will probably be better replacements for that. The monk, necro, and rit builds, however, work very well as they are. Not to say the paragon build doesn't work well, just that they could still use improvements.

Minion Masters are bad in HM. Best Minion Master elite is AotL. Too many minoions on both bars. Trade out consume for SolS. Ressurect is bad. Verata's is bad compared to BotM. Splinter weapon would work better on ele or rit. Moar botm in that build. Self heal is bad on paragons. Never give up is kinda useless. As is barbed spear. Deep wounding and GFTE please. Fall back isn't very good imo. Better ran on a secondary. Barbed is bad. Holy isn't the best choice. AI Bad at bonding, more stunning strike. WHERE IS AGGRESSIVE REFRAIN???

Oh and monks are bad with ZB. Hybrid is better.

Quote: Originally Posted by angmar_nite Minion Masters are bad in HM. Best Minion Master elite is AotL. Too many minoions on both bars. Trade out consume for SolS. Ressurect is bad. Verata's is bad compared to BotM. Splinter weapon would work better on ele or rit. Moar botm in that build. Self heal is bad on paragons. Never give up is kinda useless. As is barbed spear. Deep wounding and GFTE please. Fall back isn't very good imo. Better ran on a secondary. Barbed is bad. Holy isn't the best choice. AI Bad at bonding, more stunning strike. WHERE IS AGGRESSIVE REFRAIN???

Oh and monks are bad with ZB. Hybrid is better. Your basically saying that all those builds are bad. But yet I actually use them and they work fine.

Quote: Minion Masters are bad in HM. Best Minion Master elite is AotL. Too many minoions on both bars. Trade out consume for SolS. Ressurect is bad. Verata's is bad compared to BotM. Splinter weapon would work better on ele or rit. Moar botm in that build. Minion Bombers work great in HM for me. And Jagged Bones is very good with an AI hero using it, as is Splinter and Death Nova, as they spam them, and energy is never a problem with the bomber build because the minions are constantly dieing and being replaced. Consume works well, no need for me to change that out, although I don't use the Golem build much anymore. Ressurect isn't that bad, doesn't steal eng like rebirth and doesn't need any points in healing. I have always found Verata better then BotM, especially with Heroes, as heroes like to spam that to keep the minions alive. Sacrifice is only used when it runs out *if 3 or less minions* or when recharged, much less then BotM, especially with more minions.
Quote: Too many minoions on both bars. TWO MINIONS IS TOO MANY? wtf are you smoking, I think you have something against minion masters now.

Quote: Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin Your basically saying that all those builds are bad. But yet I actually use them and they work fine. define work fine. Ten bucks says mine go through faster.

Quote: minion Bombers work great in HM for me. Cool. I said minion masters. Big difference. Quote: And Jagged Bones is very good with an AI hero using it, as is Splinter and Death Nova, as they spam them, and energy is never a problem with the bomber build because the minions are constantly dieing and being replaced. Splinter requires alternative speccing for one skill other classes could take greater advantage of. I never criticizied nova or jagged. Quote: Consume works well, no need for me to change that out, although I don't use the Golem build much anymore. Ressurect isn't that bad, doesn't steal eng like rebirth and doesn't need any points in healing. There's better options for the Consume slot. Ressurect < Ressurection Chant/DPS. Rebirth is bad too. Quote: I have always found Verata better then BotM, especially with Heroes, as heroes like to spam that to keep the minions alive. Sacrifice is only used when it runs out *if 3 or less minions* or when recharged, much less then BotM, especially with more minions. One inequality. Health > Regen.

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TWO MINIONS IS TOO MANY? wtf are you smoking, I think you have something against minion masters now. I see no use for shambing in a bombing build when minions do everything better. And your minion MASTER build has quite a few. Shambing and minions or just fiends. Quote: Leader's Comfort is only there as a backup. Never give up is helpful for the casters, but is one of the skills that can be replaced if need be. Barbed spear=constant bleeding usually, but all 3 attacks can be replaced with other attacks. If they're all skills that can be replaced then it's not much of a build... Quote: Holy Spear is there for areas with minion masters in them. Don't see those much. Quote: Aggressive refrain isn't in there because it causes Cracked Armor, don't want another condition for the monk to worry about, maybe for 8-man team. -20 conditional armor is irrelevant considering it's a free unstrippable IAS. One of the best in the game. EVERY paragon should have it as any veteran pve player will let you know. Quote: My monk works very well with ZB, just as well as WoH, so best to keep to one attribute for more healing. WoH will heal for more. AI spams ZB without looking at target's health for side affect. Rebirth is bad. AI is bad with dismiss. Oh, AI is also bad with RoF

Quote: Originally Posted by angmar_nite

if it was a big build at the time, you could try listing the thread by views or comments. was it something like unstoppable fortress defense or something? i remember seeing the thread.

a ranger with barrage and para shouts, an RC and something else? don't remember an ele being there.

Yeah, it might of been a R/P in place of the E/Mo. Haven't played in a while so no clue...

Quote: Originally Posted by angmar_nite Cool. I said minion masters. Big difference. Splinter requires alternative speccing for one skill other classes could take greater advantage of. I never criticizied nova or jagged. There's better options for the Consume slot. Ressurect < Ressurection Chant/DPS. Rebirth is bad too. One inequality. Health > Regen. Minion Bomber is a form of Minion Master. Also, in a 4 man team, no room for Splinter on another character unless you go rit. You said AotL was the best MM elite, I said Jagged was better, therefore you did criticize it. I only use Ressurect because it doesn't risk the MM's life*like DPS does* and it doesn't have an attribute.

Quote: I see no use for shambing in a bombing build when minions do everything better. And your minion MASTER build has quite a few. Shambing and minions or just fiends. just fiends doesnt work because the eng is too high, and I have shambling in for the jagged that comes in, and HORROR *not minoins* because it is a basic minion for any eng problems. And include fiend for distance attack, melee minions only can't solve all problems, just as ranged minions only can't as well.

I don't know for sure, but I think your talking about this thread?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10081126

Cheers,

Quote: Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin Minion Bomber is a form of Minion Master. Also, in a 4 man team, no room for Splinter on another character unless you go rit. You said AotL was the best MM elite, I said Jagged was better, therefore you did criticize it. I only use Ressurect because it doesn't risk the MM's life*like DPS does* and it doesn't have an attribute. Even at 0 healing prayers (although you will have spare points in there) [skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill] > Resurrect any day.

Quote: Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin just fiends doesnt work because the eng is too high, and I have shambling in for the jagged that comes in, and HORROR *not minoins* because it is a basic minion for any eng problems. And include fiend for distance attack, melee minions only can't solve all problems, just as ranged minions only can't as well. The minion bomber is fine, Shambles work quite well unless you really need Remove Hex or something.

However, 4 minions on the other bar? WTF? First of all, Flesh Golems suck. Secondly, run either Fiends + Shambles or Fiends + Horrors. Not all 3.

My hero builds? Sab MM i use frequently. N/rt healer. Kris's beautiful paragons and orders. I have a triple chop warrior on the side, pretty standard build. A BHA, epidemic, volley ranger. I got a RC hybrid that's slightly heavier on the prot side than healing, and a pretty balanced WoH hybrid. I run mind blast ele with rodgorts, Splinter, DPS, fire attunement, and pve skills usually being PI, GDW, Norn shouts, or every now and then BotGD

Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Bokita

For feedback on the builds... Quote: Originally Posted by posmo [build prof=Mo/Me][Guardian][Reversal of Fortune][Protective Spirit][Restore Condition][Aegis][Inspired Hex][Channeling][Resurrection Chant][/build] Heroes aren't good with most single target protections. A more healing oriented monk works better, or the fabled sabway resto N/Rt. Heroes run Healers Boon, WoH, and Healer's Covenant builds might work better. Restore Condition isn't a bad elite though in heavy condition areas, but needs more healing, and probably less memser (Cure Hex would be better than Inspired Hex, and Power Drain is probably better on a hero than Channeling in PvE)

Quote: Originally Posted by posmo [build prof=P/W][Flurry][Go For The Eyes][Watch Yourself][Energizing Finale][Aria of Zeal][Leader's Comfort][Signet of Return][Resurrection Signet][/build] Watch Yourself was nerfed hard, and 2 Reses on a build don't look good. Also missing an elite. There are better paragon builds out there (I have a thread about it floating around somewhere with some nice ones). Aggressive Refrain is a better IAS for a paragon in general anyway.

Quote: Originally Posted by posmo

Quote: Originally Posted by angmar_nite