A word of warning to CoF runners.

Well, solution exits: When "payers" are done, just pull group of enemies to end chest (and make sure it stays there). Or get him repeatedly killed till hes 60DP and then quit.

Problem is that scammer still gets credit for dungeon and still gets chest reward.

CoF run is easy money for those doing the run, as well as those getting ran. It is a three level dungeon, that has lots of chest, hidden treasures, and decent drops. You pay @ 2k, for the run, the quest reward is 1.5k, so a good run last about 45 minutes irc and after you pay the runner, you are up around 5-10k profit, maybe more if you get a rare drop.


The scam part is a person refuses to pay on the third leve, really cheeses the runner off. Runner loses that 2k for the run.

Hope that helped

Just pick up all your drops and he will get nothing from it. If no drops are left over he gains nothing from it except pissing of people.

Congratulations on starting a thread because someone hurt you a little.

This is not scamming. It is griefing.
Do you really expect better when doing degenerate things like this run over and over? Who really needs people to do it. You have odd ideas of group play and fun.

And you warned nobody, you just vented your anger. Nobody knows who angered you, except people really bother to message you to get this "vital" information.

A lot of scammers run the "Pay up front" scam.

So I can understand players not wanting to pay up front.

I have no sympathy for scammers, nor any for runners. The two deserve each other's company.

I was with a runner when someone tried the scam, they went back and got him killed and then I said to them I was going to bed and I'd leave myself in the dungeon. The person pm'd me after about 5 minutes a couple of times then when I didnt reply (Id gone to bed after all ^.^), they Raged... I was playing and chatting on another account with the runner while he was doing it.. Multiple accounts ftw ^.^

Although I can do the run, I only run myself or friends just because I dont like a load of wannabes telling me how bad I am coz I died once ( usually the ones who are so close up the runners a$$ as to mess up the aggro).

Listen to Malice Black.

He's smart.

I reckon it's still a pretty pathetic thing to bother doing for the sake of 2k, but ANET probably didn't want the dungeon to be ran so I don't see them doing anything about it....

Why is it that some people have such a limited imagination they believe that only the way they play can be fun? Guild wars is set up for a variety of styles -including the ability to run or be run through certain areas because some people enjoy that. Get over it.

To the OP - perhaps runners should begin their own website with a good/bad list of customers.

Rahja, you've been playing for awhile and I'm sure you have a large network of friends ingame. That's probably the best weapon you can use against the scammer. Get the word out to the other runners and he'll have a tough time finding a group.

Stuff like this happens in almost ANY online game. And you have ways to report them. It's called Support and /report.

Like others have said, stop whining about principle this or that. Principle is non-existent in the online world. If you really want to clean up the scammers etc, you can apply to Anet, get hired and then crackdown on all the bots, scammers etc. You're just waiting your time fuming about being scammed etc.

Everyone, or mostly everyone, has been scammed some way or another in-game. It's just a facet of GW life. Like OMG the 600 monk didn't split the sole Ecto in a duo UW run, when we both agreed it was 50-50. Like OMG! Give me my 2.5k or whatever. Scammer! OMG I'm so mad!

Wow...........................

It's just a lowly ecto. A pitiful 5k. Big deal. Go do another UW run, get back what you "lost."

Hey TC, how much money do you have anyways? I'd be more sympathetic if you were some guy starting out GW and go bonkers for having like 50k. However, if you know how to farm or played this game since beta or whatever, and you're whining about losing literally CHUMP CHANGE to a guy and preaching about principle, I just have to

LOL @ j00.

Meh I really haven't had too much trouble with scammers in CoF. I mean..you gotta be really sad not to be able to cough up 2k imo.. Which you make all that money back and then some in the end of it all. It's always a frustrating thing when it happens, especially since I split the profits with my smiter but it's something I do knowing it can happen and just deal with it :/ either way I make some good mo-la And yeah if your THAT worried about scammers go go hero solo -__-;

Not to be a total jerk, but this is simply the risk you accept by being a runner.

If you do not implement controls to get paid by everyone (which is exceedingly difficult given the number of so-called runners that charge without delivering the service), you simply have to assume that you are going to lose out every once in a while to someone that doesn't pay.

Other than not paying the fee you were hoping to get from him, I don't see where he "stole" from other players...he simply picked up their discarded items. Honestly, if I were getting run (which I would pay for), I would follow a similar strategy...AFK and pick up all the discarded items to "make up" for some of the fee I paid.

Does anyone even care ?

Scammers r a reality Deal with it QTF!

if we are that concerned with 2k pay the runner out of genersoity.

well, i sympatize with the op too, but i dont htink there will be a solution even if we get a scammer tab, we have a leecher report and still even if i and all 6 members of the party report to anet with pics and e-mails reporting the leecher nothing is done to them, they ignore it or leave it be, i had this more than once and the leecher still leeching and not even banned for a week or something, i think the same would be done with scammers reports

I agree with the above posters. Like I said, you could have all the report functions and ideas all you want. Let's say everyone sends in reports to Anet complaining. Anet will/might look at it and if the amount scammed is like 1k, 2k, etc Anet will do nothing.

The MOST anet will do is suspend an account for 24 hours. Oooooooo 24 hours? OMG that's like the end of the world! /sarcasm. 72 hours? Bah. Anet rarely permabans.

All you have to do is keep quiet and then leave or whatever. Anet cannot do ANYTHING about that. For all they know, we just got disconnected or went afk all the time. Unless it goes widespread like it did in AB etc, will Anet then step up and enforce things. So that guy who went afk and waited for you to leave, good for him, sucks for you. You can preach principle all you want, but you're talking to air.

I've taken Ectos and Shards that players DROP on ground because they are too lazy to open trade. Fortunately for me, I got to pick it up before the intended person got to it. I got berated by the party, while I LOLed and chatted on GC. Once you drop ANYTHING on the ground, it is LEGAL TENDER for ANYONE to pick up. Rule of thumb: NEVER drop anything you want. Once you do, all the screenshots, confessions of evil intent whatever means NADA to Anet. Support people will just LOL at you the noob for losing your goods.

A scam or two of 1k 2k in PVE (emphasize PvE) means NOTHING. The only things Anet concerns themselves with in PVE is MASS duping, botting etc. On the other hand, anything PvP, Anet is all over it in an instant. Just look at the "deaths" of like half the professions.

If you noticed the other option of pay half right now and pay half later, that's fair imo. I trust you to pay half in the end you trust me to give me half at the beginning equal trust. And seriously it's only 500g for half the payment in NM.

This isnt a scam.

People are stupid.

This is griefing.

It's always the risk you take with runners. ANet won't really do anything about it because runs walk along the same line as Texmod: they don't condone nor support it.

/shrug. Tough luck, it happens.

Don't pay up front
/problem solved

What about "don't do runs"?

Also note that in this case it's the runner who could be easily scammed. Problematic indeed.

p.s. Hi Inde.

Easy to say but running people is a main source of gold for many players, especially those who don't like to go into DoA, FoW or UW every day.

Well what else would you suggest to prevent scamming? Also, there are numerous ways to earn income. Running is just one of the (riskier) methods of doing so.

I guess my point is, in the most negative fashion: "Too bad". There's always the risk of getting scammed, and I don't think one should complain because it happens to them. While I do sympathize with those who are scammed, they went ahead well aware of what could happen.

Indeed but then that's why our guild started up a list of scammers. I know the reasons why not to have one but it has helped us in the past.

It's dumb to complain about both yourself and the runner. It's over 2k, it's farming, and technically anyone can do it. Anet doesn't care about who is getting scammed in the game because CoF was never meant to be farmed by a you and a hero monk so really no one is going to win.

I could see this being a problem as you could get a group of guildies in town and leave one spot open, invite someone to sell and if they dont do what you want /report=bad.

I see what you are saying Rahja but I also think you should get over it. If you and 6+ other people knew him as a scammer, know him well enough to know hes German player, you prob knew well enough he was bad news. I got scammed once 2+ years ago and i could troll his name out to this day. Fact is, he actually made me a better player by showing me what to look out for.And second i got over it.

Well after many closed treads about a /report for scammers/griefing.

I like the idea of one of two things 1= make a /votekick where 75% has to

/votekick to kick a person from the party or 2= have a system like the

leecher where you can see if they do it alot so you wont take them in your

party. with both these ideas anet wont have to do anything and we would be

the ones to control the problems

I lol'ed. Maybe one day scammers will actually have an ounce of intelligence.

But i doubt it.

Don't pay upfront.

I am really surprised this thread is seeing the light of day. Oh well, doesn't matter much. /shrug. They won't do anything regarding this issue, so I don't know why I bother.

I had this great little gift basket I was going to send out for the 3rd anniversary. I was still going to send it even after being un-rightfully banned for "ebaying gold" I did no such thing. Gaile said she would look into the issue for me. After sending her an email pouring my heart out about the whole issue and how I was deeply concerned about PlayNC's You are Guilty Until still Proven Guilty attitude. She replied. After about a week, I hadn't heard a single word. I emailed her yet again, and have tried on 3 occasions to PM her playing account in game regarding any followup she had to share with me. She had completely ignored me. So, I am regretfully not sending that basket. I do not support people who portray a false public persona and are just walking fakes. As far as I am concerned, Gaile has outrightly lied to me. She made false promises, and didn't even respond. Her new position as support liason should put her in some stance to at least be able to respond other then a "Oh, I believe you, but this is really just to get your hopes and make you feel happy until I crush your hopes and never reply back to you because I am too important and don't have the time to deal with such petty things and unimportant people like you, ok bye now." email. I am deeply disturbed by the recent chain of events, and actually hurt. It could just be backwash from the stuff I am going through in RL atm, but this type of treatment certainly doesn't help matters.

Regretfully, I feel that ArenaNet is becoming more corporate-like with each passing day. As their game became steadily more popular, their connection with the community has dwindled. Honestly, I held out some hope that we would see some kind of change with the recent shuffling going on internally with their positions, but if anything, things have become worse.

Rather then hum-hah over this, and belittle others, etc, I am just going to roll with the punches. My support will continue, and I will accept being treated as Sale#591325667 and not Connor, or Rahja. I am content with being just another $ in their pocket, with no real voice and no substantial sway in decision making. It really disappoints me to say this, because I have always been such a strong supporter of Arena Net in all the things they do, and the only reason I post such things is because I genuinely care about their company and the product they make. Guild Wars isn't just a game to me, it is MY game. I feel very betrayed recent, and needless to say.... sad. Alas, that doesn't matter. I will go on playing, and I will buy GW2. I will support Arena Net no matter what changes may come, but my care for them is almost all but gone, and that is very disappointing that I have had to harden a shield to their nonchalant attitude to dealing with any issue.

QFT - I love doing that

You constructed yiur first post well enough so it didn't look like the normal QQ thread. Even I would have left this open for atleast 2 pages

Warning people about a scam - good.
Posting IGN - bad.
Ranting - bad.

Closed.