Hardest class to play with?
Tundra
As the title says. Wich (in your thoughts) is the hardest class to play with?
Murmel
Mesmer... Just to make a good build is difficult <.<
Easiest: Warrior
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Edt: as awmiscool posted below, the look of the mesmer also make my brain take sever damage...
Easiest: Warrior
'Edt: as awmiscool posted below, the look of the mesmer also make my brain take sever damage...
t00115577
spose monk if you end up with some leeroys on your team
Tyla
None. They are all equal to me.
But if I had to say, I would say Warrior because you need to be smart with Frenzy and your entire build in general.
Especially as a Shock Axe, since it's a multi-dimensional build.
I found Rangers extremely easy to pick up though, seeing as it is my primary character.
D-Shottin' shit ownzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
But if I had to say, I would say Warrior because you need to be smart with Frenzy and your entire build in general.
Especially as a Shock Axe, since it's a multi-dimensional build.
I found Rangers extremely easy to pick up though, seeing as it is my primary character.
D-Shottin' shit ownzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
awmiscool
mesmer. because they just look horrible, which makes my mentality of playing on them low :S
Kyomi Tachibana
It really depends, playing as a mesmer came easily for me, however playing as a warrior was more difficult, I don't know why, it just was.
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I WTF'd.
Srsly.
Mesmers = Prettiest things in GW.
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mesmer. because they just look horrible, which makes my mentality of playing on them low :S
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Srsly.
Mesmers = Prettiest things in GW.
Stormlord Alex
Easiest - Paragon/Assassin
Hardest - Monk/Warrior (... playing it well, that is - any tard can leroy and spam breeze)
Hardest - Monk/Warrior (... playing it well, that is - any tard can leroy and spam breeze)
the ruloes
Mesmers, because you can't "practice" with them in PvE properly. Granted, most PvE-only builds don't apply to PvP, but their principle do.
For instance, a warrior's "role" on most teams would be smashing and crashing everything he can see, you can easily do that in PvE.
A monk's job is to heal and prot, which can also easily be done in PvE.
A mesmer's job is shutdown, which is utterly useless in PvE, since the enemy count you go up against make your hexes and interrupts redundant. Sure, empathy might shut down a warrior, but PvE warriors don't care, and when you're up against a group composed of nothing but warriors, your use is quite limited.
Therefore, finding good mesmers might be quite a problem, very few players jump straight into GW PvP, they often take the "detour" into PvE.
Apart from mesmer, I'd say that monk would be second, due to the responsibility you carry. If you miss a prot or a heal, someone dies. If a warrior misses an attack, he's not as useful as a warrior that hits, but he isn't endangering his team much (except in a few scenarios).
As for the easiest, I'd say ranger and/or paragon, since attacking from a range gives a tremendous overview of the battlefield, which makes it very easy to draw decisions on what to do and what not to do.
For instance, a warrior's "role" on most teams would be smashing and crashing everything he can see, you can easily do that in PvE.
A monk's job is to heal and prot, which can also easily be done in PvE.
A mesmer's job is shutdown, which is utterly useless in PvE, since the enemy count you go up against make your hexes and interrupts redundant. Sure, empathy might shut down a warrior, but PvE warriors don't care, and when you're up against a group composed of nothing but warriors, your use is quite limited.
Therefore, finding good mesmers might be quite a problem, very few players jump straight into GW PvP, they often take the "detour" into PvE.
Apart from mesmer, I'd say that monk would be second, due to the responsibility you carry. If you miss a prot or a heal, someone dies. If a warrior misses an attack, he's not as useful as a warrior that hits, but he isn't endangering his team much (except in a few scenarios).
As for the easiest, I'd say ranger and/or paragon, since attacking from a range gives a tremendous overview of the battlefield, which makes it very easy to draw decisions on what to do and what not to do.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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Originally Posted by Murmel
Mesmer... Just to make a good build is difficult <.<
Easiest: Warrior 'Edt: as awmiscool posted below, the look of the mesmer also make my brain take sever damage... |
By far the hardest class to master and play in the game is Warrior, believe me, ask anyone who knows anything about PvP in the game, and yes i'm talking about PvP, why? Because every class is easy in PvE, it doesn't matter what you run.
A good warrior needs to know when to apply pressure, he needs to know how to apply pressure and he needs to know WHERE to apply the pressure, and all of this things are extremely situational. They will vary in different matches and also vary at different times in each match. Now as well as this the warrior needs to tell THE WHOLE team what to do, and where to go.
Compare that to the roll of the mesmer who just needs to shut down some skills and these normally depend on two things, whether your pushing or whether you being pushed.
Artisan Archer
Mesmer is tough, ranger is easy.
Tyla
Eddie, what about things like Diversion, Shame ect.?
The role of a Mesmer is similar to a Ranger, except Mesmers do more hex shutdown and Rangers do more condition shutdown.
And D-Shot > anything a Mesmer has.
The role of a Mesmer is similar to a Ranger, except Mesmers do more hex shutdown and Rangers do more condition shutdown.
And D-Shot > anything a Mesmer has.
SharonC
For me, the hardest class to play is the Assassin. To play one properly, you have to really know the skills and how to keep your attack skill chain moving so that you get in, kill, and get out fast.
As to the easiest to play, for me that is standard heal monk. The second character I created was my monk, and I love playing her almost as much as I like playing my ritualist. I can practically run my heal build in my sleep, and frequently run heal for the survivors in my alliance.
Seeing the comments above about mesmers, I play strictly PvE, and love playing my mesmer. It took a while to get used to her, but once I learned the skills, she became one of my favorite three characters.
As to the easiest to play, for me that is standard heal monk. The second character I created was my monk, and I love playing her almost as much as I like playing my ritualist. I can practically run my heal build in my sleep, and frequently run heal for the survivors in my alliance.
Seeing the comments above about mesmers, I play strictly PvE, and love playing my mesmer. It took a while to get used to her, but once I learned the skills, she became one of my favorite three characters.
the_jos
Now this is an interesting question.
I'd say for PvE the hardest class to play with would not be the mesmer (specially not with the PvE only skills) but the assassin.
The assassin is from my point of view a very potent class but needs a team to fit into to be most effective.
Since it's easier to tank & spank and not make a balanced team builds the only 'PUG' role the assassin is most effective in would be something like critical barrager.
Says a lot about the players but assassins and mesmers have one disadvantage, they are mainly single target classes and PvE seems to be mainly about aggroing as many foes as possible and nuke them as fast as you can.
For PvP however, this would be entirely different.
For me the hardest classes to play there would be the melee ones.
Just because you need to see when a target is getting PS and don't waste skill on that. Switching targets is harder when you are in frontline.
I'm biased on monks in PvP, they are frequent targets but that does not make them the hardest class to play.
I'd say for PvE the hardest class to play with would not be the mesmer (specially not with the PvE only skills) but the assassin.
The assassin is from my point of view a very potent class but needs a team to fit into to be most effective.
Since it's easier to tank & spank and not make a balanced team builds the only 'PUG' role the assassin is most effective in would be something like critical barrager.
Says a lot about the players but assassins and mesmers have one disadvantage, they are mainly single target classes and PvE seems to be mainly about aggroing as many foes as possible and nuke them as fast as you can.
For PvP however, this would be entirely different.
For me the hardest classes to play there would be the melee ones.
Just because you need to see when a target is getting PS and don't waste skill on that. Switching targets is harder when you are in frontline.
I'm biased on monks in PvP, they are frequent targets but that does not make them the hardest class to play.
Divine is Faith
I would have to say that mesmer isnt that hard to play. For a long time I was playing mesmer and going through most of the game with just hench. I would say that assasin is probably the hardest to be good at. Have you ever tried to pug with an assasin. Nobody wants you on their team even if they have never played with you because honestly how many good assasins are there out there. Warriors have alot of room for error so its not hard to play with them even with a not so great build. If you are a monk you can get into any group you want. Of course that doesnt mean its easy to be a monk.
JR
I'd go with Ranger.
Most classes are pretty easy to play at an average level, but Ranger is probably one of the hardest to be truly good at.
Most classes are pretty easy to play at an average level, but Ranger is probably one of the hardest to be truly good at.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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Eddie, what about things like Diversion, Shame ect.?
The role of a Mesmer is similar to a Ranger, except Mesmers do more hex shutdown and Rangers do more condition shutdown. And D-Shot > anything a Mesmer has. |
But yeah, shame and diversion aren't hard to use really, shame on spikes as said above (most of the time) and diversion for things like bsurge, i.e skills with a short recharge, things like bsurge (well the old version) were nearly spammed on recharge, so counting down the recharge minus the time taken to cast diversion is really not to hard, know whata mean?
I'm not saying mesmers are the easiest class to play, far from it, they do take quite a bit of skill, i'm just saying compared to playing an awesome warrior, they're nothing.
Lilith St Cyr
I'm a real bad warrior.
I find dervish very hard to master, but I'm working on it.
Easy? Monk, ranger and ele.
I find dervish very hard to master, but I'm working on it.
Easy? Monk, ranger and ele.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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I'd go with Ranger.
Most classes are pretty easy to play at an average level, but Ranger is probably one of the hardest to be truly good at. |
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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I would have to say that mesmer isnt that hard to play. For a long time I was playing mesmer and going through most of the game with just hench. I would say that assasin is probably the hardest to be good at. Have you ever tried to pug with an assasin. Nobody wants you on their team even if they have never played with you because honestly how many good assasins are there out there. Warriors have alot of room for error so its not hard to play with them even with a not so great build. If you are a monk you can get into any group you want. Of course that doesnt mean its easy to be a monk.
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Assassins would have to be one of the easiest classes to play, shadow step, 1,2,3,4 shadow step back, rinse and repeat. There, btw ign is Eddie Sells Out if you want to donate anything for teaching you how to play assassin.
the_jos
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One of the main problems for PUG assassins in Factions are the exploding afflicted.
That, combined with people not understanding the role of the assassin and playing it like the movies is what gave the assassin a bad name.
"Yay, me Chuck N / Bruce L. They can't die, so I should also be invulnerable."
A mission where I had a lot of fun playing my assassin before I deleted him was Gyala.
Specially the first fight at the turtles, where foes come from different sides.
Target monk, step in, chain, kill, switch target to next monk.
But that's not how PvE works in general.
Most of the time it's a huge mob that can be nuked when tanked.
No need for an assassin there, there can be only one tank.
I was reading the comments on ranger being ranger being the hardest class and been thinking about it. I agree that it's a hard class to fully master but not sure if it's the hardest.
I played a fair ranger in the past and it's more the very different sets of attributes that make it hard to master. Still have not found a decent BM build for PvE for example, just lack the knowledge.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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Agree if it would not have been for the way PvE works and specially the chapter the assassin was introduced into, Factions. One of the main problems for PUG assassins in Factions are the exploding afflicted. That, combined with people not understanding the role of the assassin and playing it like the movies is what gave the assassin a bad name. "Yay, me Chuck N / Bruce L. They can't die, so I should also be invulnerable." A mission where I had a lot of fun playing my assassin before I deleted him was Gyala. Specially the first fight at the turtles, where foes come from different sides. Target monk, step in, chain, kill, switch target to next monk. But that's not how PvE works in general. Most of the time it's a huge mob that can be nuked when tanked. No need for an assassin there, there can be only one tank. |
Apart from the last bit about rangers that is, I agree with you there. It's Warriors that are hardest. There's really no discussion for it.
Painbringer
Hardest to easiest IMO
Monk (hard to master IMO Hats off to the good ones)
Mesmer (This is a skillful profession but once mastered deadly)
Ritualist A (Pure Resto build)
Paragon A (Motivation Build)
Sin (good ones are a rare breed)
Warrior (good ones seem to live longer)
Paragon B (Thumper)
Dervish (I would put the really good ones higher but...)
Necro (As long as you are not mindless minion razing)
Ritualist B (spirit pooper/channeling)
Ranger
Elementalist
Paragon C (Shout spammer)
Ursan (any class)
Monk (hard to master IMO Hats off to the good ones)
Mesmer (This is a skillful profession but once mastered deadly)
Ritualist A (Pure Resto build)
Paragon A (Motivation Build)
Sin (good ones are a rare breed)
Warrior (good ones seem to live longer)
Paragon B (Thumper)
Dervish (I would put the really good ones higher but...)
Necro (As long as you are not mindless minion razing)
Ritualist B (spirit pooper/channeling)
Ranger
Elementalist
Paragon C (Shout spammer)
Ursan (any class)
Pleikki
All of em Equal but yeah it makes harder to play if you take strange Prof combos and make Good builds for em yourself.
ShadowsRequiem
Monk. There are just so many bad people that play this class and think that just using healing breeze will save your life.
Akroma Angel NL
hi all my thoughts on this is that mesmer are indeed difficult when playing PVE
but for PVP i think its the warrior/melee or the monks, realy good monks are hard 2 find
but for PVP i think its the warrior/melee or the monks, realy good monks are hard 2 find
zelgadissan
For me running mesmer is pretty simple and my favorite TBH, but I also use illusion in my PvE and then when I rarely foray into PvP (or Shiro) I'll switch up to domination. Illusion of Pain + lack of PvE hex removal = win.
To me the hardest is the sin since it's all about your ability to kill without getting killed, I'm not *too* bad at it but any sin I've ever PUG'd with felt that he was our tank.
Edit: I'm actually pretty impressed that the below monk could make it to THK, aren't you? That takes a skill level most have never even dreamed of.
To me the hardest is the sin since it's all about your ability to kill without getting killed, I'm not *too* bad at it but any sin I've ever PUG'd with felt that he was our tank.
Edit: I'm actually pretty impressed that the below monk could make it to THK, aren't you? That takes a skill level most have never even dreamed of.
October Jade
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Monk. There are just so many bad people that play this class and think that just using healing breeze will save your life.
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[banish][orison of healing][shield of judgment][healing breeze][blessed signet][balthazar's spirit][mending][resurrection signet]
12 DF
9 Smite
4 Heal
Upon first glance, I thought he was trying to 55 somehow. I asked him if that was the case, and he replied that he had never heard of such a thing. This skillbar is his general pve setup.
Sword Liger
Hardest?
Shock Axe Warrior doing Legoway in HA.
Seriously you are the foundation of the group there, calling spike counts over ventrilo and calling targets in game, doing your knockdowns at the right moments while swapping targets. Thats sorts out the men and mice right there.
Shock Axe Warrior doing Legoway in HA.
Seriously you are the foundation of the group there, calling spike counts over ventrilo and calling targets in game, doing your knockdowns at the right moments while swapping targets. Thats sorts out the men and mice right there.
Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by Murmel
Mesmer... Just to make a good build is difficult <.<
Easiest: Warrior 'Edt: as awmiscool posted below, the look of the mesmer also make my brain take sever damage... |
everything is easy in pve.
in pvp warriors are hella hard to play WELL
not that it stops noobs from trying
Celestial_Kitsune
Monk in PvP.
MagmaRed
If you read what people have posted, you will see it varies from person to person. Because we are all different in what we enjoy, what we observe, and what we succeed at, this answer is one only you can provide.
Molock
Assassin is the hardest imo, I have never been able to play it properly. Maybe this is due to the fact that I am mainly TA and RA and the Me/N or necro's that are present on pretty much every team hex me up so bad I litterally can't do anything. I haven't had that many problems playing warrior and ranger is easy for me, it is my main character in PvP... d-shot is just so painful and crip shot is always amusing.
I see many people here are saying mesmer is hard because you have to interupt stuff, well the same goes for ranger. Also, mesmers aren't only for interupting, they are supposed to be shut down so. Honestly, using skills like diversion and shame on the healer's while draining their energy with e-burn/e-surge isn't so hard.. then again I may be wrong :S
Monk is fairly hard, catching spikes in high-end PvP is something that requires time and a lot of practise.. possibly even a fair ammount of talent. Also, you are always going to be the first target and in 4-man teams that really is no fun.
I see many people here are saying mesmer is hard because you have to interupt stuff, well the same goes for ranger. Also, mesmers aren't only for interupting, they are supposed to be shut down so. Honestly, using skills like diversion and shame on the healer's while draining their energy with e-burn/e-surge isn't so hard.. then again I may be wrong :S
Monk is fairly hard, catching spikes in high-end PvP is something that requires time and a lot of practise.. possibly even a fair ammount of talent. Also, you are always going to be the first target and in 4-man teams that really is no fun.
кιωι
Warriors in pve are the easiest, go play some gvg as a war and that opinion will change. I never really got the hang on playing a monk, just not a split second healer
Murmel
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I know I lol'ed, mesmer isn't that hard, all you need to do is tab around and interupt anything important, i.e if your playing offensively stuff like aegis and for defense things like an ele. And no before you all rage at me, I can't play a good mesmer, I fail at interupting =P
By far the hardest class to master and play in the game is Warrior, believe me, ask anyone who knows anything about PvP in the game, and yes i'm talking about PvP, why? Because every class is easy in PvE, it doesn't matter what you run. A good warrior needs to know when to apply pressure, he needs to know how to apply pressure and he needs to know WHERE to apply the pressure, and all of this things are extremely situational. They will vary in different matches and also vary at different times in each match. Now as well as this the warrior needs to tell THE WHOLE team what to do, and where to go. Compare that to the roll of the mesmer who just needs to shut down some skills and these normally depend on two things, whether your pushing or whether you being pushed. |
Arkantos
In PvE, everything is easy to play.
PvP is a whole different issue. All classes are difficult in their own way (well, there's nothing really difficult about playing paragon).
PvP is a whole different issue. All classes are difficult in their own way (well, there's nothing really difficult about playing paragon).
Nanood
I don't there is a hardest or easiest. Just more about popular and unpopular.
Squishy ftw
In PvE, I would say Monk. Simply because hero/hench fail at doing big domage and they will take coffee breaks when you stop wanding stuff.
In PvP, every class is hard to play if you want to do it good.
In PvP, every class is hard to play if you want to do it good.
isamu kurosawa
I'd say warrior and monk.
The two most popular professions yet very few people know how to play them proberly. Monks have an excuse because most are made for farming and are only playing to get to certain points in the game.
Warriors have no excuse, bad warriors all say playing warrior is easy and don't realise they suck at it.
The two most popular professions yet very few people know how to play them proberly. Monks have an excuse because most are made for farming and are only playing to get to certain points in the game.
Warriors have no excuse, bad warriors all say playing warrior is easy and don't realise they suck at it.