update May 1st, 2008

ugh poor rits. its like if there going to keep that they might as well make it so they cant get buffs from paras or healing from monks.

X2

40 billion chars.

Yes, they should get no shouts from paragons and no heals from monks because some of their skills do not affect GvG NPCs. I like your logic.

I have a question now that winter seems to be fixed: Is winter a good thing to have up while fighting destroyers? Yes right?

i know right. i am commenting on the fact that some spirits do not affect npcs i should have quoted the non revert to reflect that. and the last time i checked you can put stuff like mending refrain on an npc in gvg. so im guessing they get the other buffs from shouts as well.

I love you.

Anet's inept management of GW PvP game balance is matched only in scale by its success with the PvE side of the game.

After their complete unexplained shift in attitude towards PvP and PvE balance a reasonable person would have hoped that they would revert the skill balances that have a strong effect on PvE and keep the changes that were necessary for PvP. That would sound like a good compromise.

However the reality of Anets latest changes to the game is just another example of their heavy handed and rather confusing approach to game balance. Someone thought that buffing Dark Pact was a good idea, one week later, it was reverted, obviously not such a good idea after all. Just one of countless and to put it bluntly, clueless skill changes (like the wonderful addition of exhaustion to channeling rits). Is that particular insight into game balance an indication of their overall understanding of their own game after three years? Its pretty sad that people could come up with that Anet keyboard with all those hilarious buttons, but the unfortunate thing about satire is that it is quite often an accurate description of reality. That keyboard picture could probably be a true long lasting monument to GW PvP, one that can be thrust among Anets own self-confessed monuments (being the world championship series). One monument giving a deeper insight into GW PvP, the latter giving a superficial one.

If I was to write up the entire history of GW game balance in a neat paper and hand it to a university professor along with explanations for various changes, I would probably expect comments like ''this candidate shows a complete lack of understanding of the issues, although some merit can be awarded for his multiple attempts at seeking solutions. Unfortunately those solutions suggested rarely coincide with those already being considered in the field which is disappointing, and only reinforces the impression that the candidate lacked a grasp of the issues at hand given that they dont even have their own merit.'' Or ''This candidates begins with a promising range of ideas, however, as the study continues it becomes clear that the candidate has failed to fully grasp the actual reality of those ideas. The study ends with a range of complex and confusing solutions and implementations that fail to accomplish the promising objectives set out from the start.''

epic fail

Of course, another way to interpret changes like these is simply that Anet is trying to make statement about the status of their commitment to GW 1 PvP. Recent comments made by Izzy (game balancer) alluding to Anets decision to gradually stop diverting as many resources to PvP as development of GW 2 moves along. Eg automated tournaments, moving on to automated in-game prizes.

Cessation of PvP game balance following every monthly tournament is but a logical extension of that new focus... and perhaps following on from my post made commenting on the statement ''In order to reduce the possible negative impact on PvE play, we will be reverting the changes on May 1st. For future tournaments, we aim to focus on changes that will not impact PvE play at all.'
The way they will achieve this is to just stop doing any skill balances at all.

It was emotional

PS: If you delete my post again I would like an explanation why...

Can you say Hell F#%$ing Yea!

To all my Paragon brothers and sisters: Go forth and PWN!

time to make a new little cute rit

"Reverted Was Izzy"

Thank god, imbagons have been far underpowered for too long.

This revert was a stupid idea if there ever was one.

OMG PVE BALANCE!...

:/

more like "Nerf is Izzy"

Izzy "dizzy" thinks his "BN's" are sooooooooo bad that he has to change the skills so his "brownnoses" at least have a small chance in a tournament.

i am glad that it has taken 3 years for them to fix this.

Jesus, when can I collect my points?

I thought maybe they would remove Ursan or something with this revert, because it was for PvE balance after all.

PvP will probably be abandoned in GW2.

BEEEE SUUUUURRRRGGGGEEEEEEEEEE
Missed you!

so baddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

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ffs, it's about time. I hate skill balances when they're boring.

Can't they do more than just revert things? I'm tired of spamming WoH on everything. =/

I can't see why they shouldn't, its a pivotal skill in PvE Balance lol

WTB a little change up in PvE play. Like hurting Terra tanks and UB.

Exactly. I seriously wonder what they're going to do now, are they just going to revert this update again after deciding some of the changes were needed?

OMG, i would NEVER EVER have guessed that.
They still dont look like eyes. Never...

I personally think they are out of their stupid little minds, will they put the changes back in place for the next tournie and then revert them again??? WTf is going on

In my opinion, the day I stop playing Guild Wars is the day:

[skill]Life Transfer[/skill], [skill]Cleave[/skill], and [skill]Prepared Shot[/skill] get nerfed within three months of each other.

That's when I know the random factor of skill changes is like drawing out of a hat.

Yay for [splinter weapon]!!!!

So they put through a good update for a change....and then revert it. FFS Anet, you are the worst guys ever. Let Izzy do his stuff, and KEEP IT. Stop trying to keep PvErs from suffering butthurt when their bad builds get nerfed.

Well, there goes 2 weeks of improvement.

not everything was an improvement. a lot of it hurt the pve community and other sections of the game.

a major bug was fixed, therefore best update ever.

Idiotic update to keep idiotic majority happy.

Yup isn't it grand? I get my way and you get the highway. UB not even touched (as it will never be). <dances around computer chair with glee>

Ding ding ding ding ding!

We have a winner!

Lol, how? Unless PvErs are total idiots that can't even make small changes to their button mashing builds to adapt... oh wait!

Video on youtube please!

This has to be the single saddest moment in the history of Guild Wars.

On behalf of the PvEers who have a clue - my regards.

Darn, maybe one of these days they will delete the rit and sin class...but I won't get my hopes up.

I would like to add necros, warriors and monks to that list.

Oh and btw. Yes I am happy about having some of the skills back on my bar, however shaping a new meta and then breaking it up again 3 weeks later is even more off putting then stupid uber nerfs. Why didn't they put that skill balance update into an evaluation phase like the last ones?

I don't even want to start about this flawed argument "PvE Balance" at this stage.

WHY MESMER REVERTED? God... Those skill changes were actually GOOD and not only for the tournament. Chaos Storm for 15 energy again, yaaay.

i wish anet learned that the game was dead and jsut stop trying to nerf everything sooner. great update btw. one of the best.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Skill_Balances