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04 May 2008 at 00:19 - 81

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Originally Posted by Game N Die

Thank you for your decency. This idea I also think is worth considering.

As for most others, all I'm hearing is "Na-nanny-boo-boo, I joined before you did :P" But, I'm gathering that most like the current system, and think that it is a good system to reward loyal players with a chance to add a few more ectos to your bank. Fine, again, that's all you have to say. And yet again, all I am trying to do here is start a conversation among the community about what they think about the current "Loyalty Reward" system. I voiced my opinion....because of which, I have been told numerous times "you should have kept it to yourself", and although this may degenerate even further into a flame-fest, I still think there is some room here for intelligent discourse on the subject.

From most of our perspectives, you are QQing over people being able to sell their minis for X more amount of gold than when you would get yours.

Plus, Sardalec is the place for suggestions about changing something.

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04 May 2008 at 00:21 - 82

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Originally Posted by Game N Die

Ya, may as well close this at this point. People don't seem to want to discuss issues as seen from a new players perspective.

You want a 3rd year mini without having a character for 3 years. You want a reward without putting in the time. This is a very old arguement, The ecto trader complains that ectos needs to be nerfed so HE can make more money.

You complain the mini pets are unfair so you can get mini pets without putting in the time needed.

Its hard to take people like you seriously because its not hard to understand that mini pets are a TIME SPENT IN GAME reward and have no effect on how well you do. If your argument is simply you want to collect them, then fear not, you will get them all with hard work, Buy them for cheap after 6 months like many of us do, Do not expect instant gratification, for you will be sorely disappointed.

If your argument is simply because you want to sell the mini for 100k+ then we find amusement in laughing at your greed. Stop being lazy and looking for the easy way out.

Either way, your not getting a 3rd year mini no matter what unless you buy it, trade for it or put in 3 years on a character. end of story.

Martin Alvito

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04 May 2008 at 00:29 - 83

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

I don't really see how you can say people who've been here for 3 years are loyal. I mean some of them sure, but I dont think that can be used as an argument really. Seeing as you don't have to be loyal at all, Guild Wars isn't a p2p game and you could have made a character in May of 05 and never played the game again till now and just collected. Don't see how that's very loyal.

Then you wouldn't care about the presents that spawned on your account.

People selling the minis still care at least a little bit about the game. QED.

Creeping Carl

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04 May 2008 at 00:50 - 84

I wouldnt be surprised at all if ANET stops giving it's players any sort of birthday present in GW2 because of the amount and diversity of complaints regarding the presents. It seems the community is incapable of being gracious and appreciating GIFTS.

Hyprodimus Prime

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04 May 2008 at 00:54 - 85

/signed

Thats still a lot of free cash they are handing out. Older players do need to be rewarded but I dont think it needs to be so drastically gapped in terms of gift values. A new player will NEVER be able to make much cash off his presents. Every year, the veteran will be making 50k+ while the new player might be averaging 5-10k. I think they should give us a token of some sort to trade in for a weapon of our choice, much like the end game system we have. Items will be customized. The point? Older players still get rewarded, but instead of gold, its something aesthetic. This way you can tell that the guy with the "Life Forged Shield" has been there since the beginning. You too will EVENTUALLY get an item.

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04 May 2008 at 00:57 - 86

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Then you wouldn't care about the presents that spawned on your account.

People selling the minis still care at least a little bit about the game. QED.

I know that it's different with nearly everyone but I was just saying that anyone could have made a character and left them there. They technically wouldn't have earned it by being loyal, pretty much all you can say about loyalty is that it's based on when you got the game, rather than how much time you spent playing it because it's not p2p.

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04 May 2008 at 01:06 - 87

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Originally Posted by Game N Die

Ya, may as well close this at this point. People don't seem to want to discuss issues as seen from a new players perspective.

Edit: Actually, as usual, mods can close if they decide. I'm going to bow out and observe from this point, as my simple presence seems to be negating from the potential forward movement of this discussion. Thanks all who have attempted to contribute in a positive way, and as for the rest, ya I know about the disrespect that anonymity allows, and it's no biggie.

It's nothing like the way you think it is. A bad suggestion will always have some believers, that doesn't make it any less bad. You can come in here with your smarter than thou rhetoric all you want but that's not going to change.

Simple fact: birthday presents are there to reward veterans and nothing needs to be done about it. The game is already shifted in favour of new players, there's absolutely no problem here.

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

/signed

Thats still a lot of free cash they are handing out. Older players do need to be rewarded but I dont think it needs to be so drastically gapped in terms of gift values. A new player will NEVER be able to make much cash off his presents. Every year, the veteran will be making 50k+ while the new player might be averaging 5-10k. I think they should give us a token of some sort to trade in for a weapon of our choice, much like the end game system we have. Items will be customized. The point? Older players still get rewarded, but instead of gold, its something aesthetic. This way you can tell that the guy with the "Life Forged Shield" has been there since the beginning. You too will EVENTUALLY get an item.

I'm repeating myself, but you guys are making it difficult not to. There are many, many, MANY ways to earn a very substantial amount of gold in game, new players don't need to rely on handouts for that. No one does. Use your sense a little, look up some guides and put the effort in. The average money made from mini-pets relative to this is completely negligible.

Put it into some proper perspective, please.

Dr Strangelove

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04 May 2008 at 01:06 - 88

It's a good thing making minis drop from chests doesn't favor specific players. *cough* HARDCORE FARMING GRINDERS *coughcough*. Excuse me.

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04 May 2008 at 01:10 - 89

I agree something should have/be done. I have a char that is gettting it's 3rd year in a month or so. but I have received nothing but all white minis on all 9 of my slots and one purple. With multiple repeats of the same mini. I would be happy just to get a mini I haven't received yet.

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04 May 2008 at 01:10 - 90

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

I wouldnt be surprised at all if ANET stops giving it's players any sort of birthday present in GW2 because of the amount and diversity of complaints regarding the presents. It seems the community is incapable of being gracious and appreciating GIFTS.

Thread winner! We get something for free, and we complain! People FTL!

I love mini's and it doesnt bother me at all that I have to wait my turn to get my 3rd year mini. I started 6 months late, I deserve to wait 6 months. Just like everyone else. its not a reward for 6 months, its a reward for a year, then 2 years, then 3 years and so on.

Greed knows no limits, but I never thought people so greedy til I joined online forums.

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Originally Posted by Hexum

I agree something should have/be done. I have a char that is gettting it's 3rd year in a month or so. but I have received nothing but all white minis on all 9 of my slots and one purple. With multiple repeats of the same mini. I would be happy just to get a mini I haven't received yet.

That does suck, thats the only problem is that some people get greens, gold while others get whites. But it only really matters when selling, and that is a weak way of saying I WANT MORE MONEY!"

buy and trade them, I have bought most of my mini's because i keep getting lame ones I already bought. But whocares! Its free! Bday gifts are 100% free! thats free money if you sell it.

I'm sorry for the actual collector, but not the sellers who QQ about whites because they want more gold. I normally give my duplicates (ones i already have) to friends for free, I mean its not like I'm losing out. Most 1st years are 1-5k whites, those i give away. Purple i normally sell for 5k, golds and greens I give away or sell or trade.

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04 May 2008 at 01:20 - 91

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

It's a good thing making minis drop from chests doesn't favor specific players. *cough* HARDCORE FARMING GRINDERS *coughcough*. Excuse me.

You know, Savio is right...

Red Sonya

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04 May 2008 at 01:35 - 92

/not signed

It's a REWARD for those that have been dedicated since the initial release if you didn't get on the band wagon with at least 10 characters then it's your own fault. Don't whine now cause the rest of us are making millions and you're not making anything cause you waited and got Factions or Nightfall.

Dr Strangelove

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04 May 2008 at 01:46 - 93

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Originally Posted by wilderness

You know, Savio is right...

If you're calling me retarded, it might be nice if you refuted my point.

To be more in-depth, every system for handing out new toys is going to be biased for certain groups. For instance, I'm never going to have any of the new weapon skins while they're cool, I'll never have FoW armor, and I'll never have a storage filled with ecto. I'm sad that I can't play around with that content, but I'm ok with it, as a lot of people out there really get into farming and trading. You play your game and I'll play mine.

However, I find it selfish to the extreme to complain about a single item which doesn't favor the farming crowd. Minipets are a free item added to amuse the older players who have stuck with the game. They're not a penalty for you any more than FoW armor is a penalty for me.

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04 May 2008 at 01:54 - 94

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Thread winner! We get something for free, and we complain! People FTL!

I think the OP's point is that he feels that having to spend his hard-earned proceeds from farming to get the pets is unfair, ie: HE doesn't get the pets for free, but other people do, therefore the system is unfair.

That sort of underlying logic definitely confirms that last sentence. Just shows that Hobbes was right about human nature and the roots of conflict.

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04 May 2008 at 01:55 - 95

/Not signed don't think it should be changed in GW1 maybe they will in GW2?
I have 1 char almost 3 soon and will be selling the mini for gold to get something I REALLY wanted for the toon.
No diff in real life.
How many get a pressy from someone take it back to the store for cash or exchange it for something else.

shoyon456

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04 May 2008 at 01:59 - 96

Whats wrong with birthday presents is me (and many other ppl ive seen) have never gotten a mini better than a purple out of ~7 chars (1st AND 2nd bdays included)

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04 May 2008 at 02:11 - 97

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

If you're calling me retarded, it might be nice if you refuted my point.

Mini-pets are not some kind of antidote, and while they're not related to grind your point about the hardcore classes was bitter-tinged and off-track.

Also: the rest of your argument is preaching to the choir. Read my previous posts, we agree.

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04 May 2008 at 02:18 - 98

I tend to think of the whole gw minipet b-day present like a raffle in which every member is automatically entered in, for free, merely for being born.
I have to cast my vote on the 'why are you complaining?' side. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a 1k-1mil birthright in real life!

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04 May 2008 at 02:39 - 99

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Originally Posted by Aneres

I tend to think of the whole gw minipet b-day present like a raffle in which every member is automatically entered in, for free, merely for being born.
I have to cast my vote on the 'why are you complaining?' side. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a 1k-1mil birthright in real life!

Actually the real world is like that, you got people who have 1k-1mil birthrights (more even) and then you got the rest of us who get fungals and whiptails.

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04 May 2008 at 03:29 - 100

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Actually the real world is like that, you got people who have 1k-1mil birthrights (more even) and then you got the rest of us who get fungals and whiptails.

A very astute observation! The ones on the bottom just have to work harder to get to the top. Now if I could only figure out how to turn this whiptail into a panda.......hmmmm.

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04 May 2008 at 03:48 - 101

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Whats wrong with birthday presents is me (and many other ppl ive seen) have never gotten a mini better than a purple out of ~7 chars (1st AND 2nd bdays included)

Define better. If it's a case of color then explain "why" gold is "better" then purple when it comes to mini pets. Why is it better? Is it because Gold mini pets look better then purples and purples look better then whites? I suppose Green mini pets look the sexiest? Or perhaps it's not about the look. Maybe your definition of "better" mini pet involves around having more "value" for resale?

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04 May 2008 at 03:54 - 102

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

A new player will NEVER be able to make much cash off his presents. Every year, the veteran will be making 50k+ while the new player might be averaging 5-10k.

Points at OP, 8 month old account and he apparently has 2 million gold. If he can do it without mini-pets, so can you. You don't need the mini-pets to get rich and in truth, 50k is very very little.

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Older players still get rewarded, but instead of gold, its something aesthetic. This way you can tell that the guy with the "Life Forged Shield" has been there since the beginning.

Then instead of griping about mini-pets, some one will be griping about so and so weapon skins that they can't get their hands on no matter how far they progress in-game and in wealth, unless they reach an age threshold.

Dr Strangelove

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04 May 2008 at 04:50 - 103

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Originally Posted by wilderness

Mini-pets are not some kind of antidote, and while they're not related to grind your point about the hardcore classes was bitter-tinged and off-track.

Also: the rest of your argument is preaching to the choir. Read my previous posts, we agree.

Ah, my apologies then. I'm not bitter about it, I was just pointing out that chest drops aren't any more egalitarian than birthday presents.

/arguing with the wrong person

Magikarp

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04 May 2008 at 05:04 - 104

this thread is phail. im not trolling either. that was a fact.

on the other note, i think the main problem is that people like solutions that have simple horizons. one mega drop, rich for life in GWs, one mega rare mini for free, rich for life in GWs, one armbrace dupe for 2 mill for the new player who want s the mega rare mini, rich for li.....

im just yankin your chain btw OP :P

seriously though, this argument made it to page 6 for something that's not going to change tbh..

erikjo

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04 May 2008 at 05:12 - 105

Personally I think this thread is silly. If you have started later, find ways to compete with the older players. I have played around the same amount of time as you. I have more gold and ectos than I could possibly spend, as I mastered a trading method that I used to make all my money. Whining about how things are unfair etc is pointless. Trust me doing research and being intelligent is far greater than how long you have played.

Makkert

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04 May 2008 at 05:13 - 106

It is a bit ridiculous, how inflated this market behaves. Mini's are highly overrated when new, and a few months later their prices drop accordingly.
Must like every new trinket in the game.

Actually, this is not far off normal economic behaviour. When a new technological based item is put on the market, it's sellingprice is usually high to make a ROI (return on investment) possible, to recover the expenses made in R&D. Also, competitors are not in the market, as the trinket is new. So prices are high. After time, competitors enter the market and prices go down, as well as the R&D costs being recovered already over time, forcing prices down.

So, it's all normal economic behaviour from that viewpoint.

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04 May 2008 at 06:11 - 107

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Originally Posted by DarkFlame

Points at OP, 8 month old account and he apparently has 2 million gold. If he can do it without mini-pets, so can you. You don't need the mini-pets to get rich and in truth, 50k is very very little.

Then instead of griping about mini-pets, some one will be griping about so and so weapon skins that they can't get their hands on no matter how far they progress in-game and in wealth, unless they reach an age threshold.

Well then call me a scrub. I dont play daily. Does that make me any less loyal of a player? GW isnt pay 2 play. I still visit the forums and offer advice, help and suggestions. I update the wikis if I have something to say, I advertise GW to my friends and I financially support those whom I call newbies. 2 mill is really good. I played 2 years and my account's net value is only a half of the OP's. 50k might be little to you, but to me thats a weeks worth of farming playing an hour a day doing UW runs, shard runs, raptor runs and actual running. For me thats a lot of work. You are right, no one needs minis to get rich, but the point is you atleast you get a chance to hit the jackpot to which only Day-One players have access to.

Like people have said, Anet wants to reward those who have been with them since the beginning, customized weapons make them even more distinguished. since no one can cheat their way into it.

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04 May 2008 at 06:18 - 108

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

50k might be little to you, but to me thats a weeks worth of farming playing an hour a day doing UW runs, shard runs, raptor runs and actual running. For me thats a lot of work. You are right, no one needs minis to get rich, but the point is you atleast you get a chance to hit the jackpot to which only Day-One players have access to.

50k is a jackpot?

How long does it take you to spend that 50k you take a week to make, a fraction of that time right? Perhaps a day or two in the right circumstance?

So the potential for a yearly payment of 50k means how much to you? As I said previously: perspective, people.

If you also mean the chance to find a rare are rare mini worth 100k+xxx, I'm pretty sure it's about the same as earning that amount from the zchest or a lucky drop, ie very low. I don't actually know anyone who was gift wrapped a mini worth over 100k, even if you had access earlier the chances are you'd get a white... or something you didn't want...

It's a shame some of you people don't think more before you type, that's all.

Martin Alvito

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04 May 2008 at 06:31 - 109

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Originally Posted by wilderness

50k is a jackpot?

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the 100k+2XX ecto prices that the most desired new minis were commanding on day one. Granted, at the stated payout rate the above poster makes that about twice a year.

Still, over a million gold can safely be called a jackpot by the standards of the vast majority of players. That's insta-FoW plus the ability to kit out a warrior with a few nice weapons or to kit out a caster with pretty much everything that will be needed.

The problem at the heart of the debate is that any new allocation system will necessary be inequitable; all you're doing is changing who wins and who loses. Cycling problems are bad; you should stick with the equilibrium you've reached unless there's an option that clearly improves on the status quo (no one is worse off, at least someone is better off).

(Exception: When balancing a game, the game should always be in DISequilibrium. Balances are for the purpose of kicking the game out of equilibrium, not to ensure that blockway shall reign supreme for all time.)

Hell Raiser

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04 May 2008 at 06:35 - 110

I've got over 5,000 hours in 35 months, and I have 21k in storage right now. I have had only 1 FoW and 9 Elite sets. I don't think that amounts to 100k+e on all my characters. I've never done hardcore elite areas like DoA, and I stopped doing UW/FoW a long time ago... and I can't save any money that I do get (it's not like I have to pay rent in-game, and farming and hording it is not nearly as fun as spending it).

And since I joined the game about a month after the release, and my current main characters were created a month after that, and I always get the cheap minis, I've never gotten to make money off my minipets.

EDIT: I think that they should have just been untradeable from the start.

Jongo River

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04 May 2008 at 06:52 - 111

When birthday minis were introduced, it was a cute, but mildly irritating idea. Sure, it was a nice reward for those that received them, but as with most ANet ideas, it rewards on rather arbitrary grounds and coerces a play-style which suits some more than others (never re-roll, for fear of missing out).

It got worse with EotN. Now we've been set a target to obtain 20 of the blasted things - not easy if you haven't received many (or any) bday "gifts". It's not like that's achievable through ingame questing, since there's only 1 mini obtainable that way. And don't tell me that it's optional - supposed "optional" stuff is all EotN is. It's about as optional as "shall I play Guild Wars, or is this damn game not worth my time anymore?"

The system should have changed, after the HoM was introduced. Minis are part of the game now, so distribution should have been balanced more fairly.

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04 May 2008 at 07:45 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

When birthday minis were introduced, it was a cute, but mildly irritating idea. Sure, it was a nice reward for those that received them, but as with most ANet ideas, it rewards on rather arbitrary grounds and coerces a play-style which suits some more than others (never re-roll, for fear of missing out).

It got worse with EotN. Now we've been set a target to obtain 20 of the blasted things - not easy if you haven't received many (or any) bday "gifts". It's not like that's achievable through ingame questing, since there's only 1 mini obtainable that way. And don't tell me that it's optional - supposed "optional" stuff is all EotN is. It's about as optional as "shall I play Guild Wars, or is this damn game not worth my time anymore?"

The system should have changed, after the HoM was introduced. Minis are part of the game now, so distribution should have been balanced more fairly.

I hate to point this out because IF you are a newer player I can understand your frustration. If you are trying to look out for the new player base that is admirable also.

BUT
Mini pets are/were also available from other promotions other than B-days(but you needed to be here for them)
It sounds like you are upset because you feel like you can not max out your HOM, well if you started a brand new character TODAY it would take 1500+ hours just to max the KoaBD title alone(That is 4+ hours a day EVERY day for a year), we still haven't hit anything else in the HoM. The HoM is NOT for new players, it is there to aid those of us that have been playing this game for 2+ years that are going to start all over again in gw2. We will not receive any ingame benefit from the HoM over someone that has never even played gw1.

-fin on that

The mini pets worth is based on what some other people will pay for it. The truth is they are like in game dolls and a way of sucking up inventory space, Anet needs to sell character slots lol. The mini pet community is a small portion of the player base(no offense meant). All you need to do is wait. Mini's have 2 types of players the people looking to turn a fast plat and those that like what they have. When my 1st char turn 3 in less than a month BET I will be flaunting it all over the place and I will not sell It because I don't care about in game gold. It says either a) I have too much plat or b) I am a 3 year vet. So which are you?

- fin on that

- soz about the wall o text

Mods this is more of a sanitarium thread than a riverside.

Thizzle

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04 May 2008 at 07:46 - 113

This is a joke. The minis are worth a good amount when they first roll out then it's old news and they end up as a 1k whiptail devourer.

Jongo River

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04 May 2008 at 08:23 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

When my 1st char turn 3 in less than a month BET I will be flaunting it all over the place and I will not sell It because I don't care about in game gold. It says either a) I have too much plat or b) I am a 3 year vet. So which are you?

3 year player, with a 6 month main.

I actually can and am in the process of buying pets to fill a HoM (14/20), but I really resent having to spend so much on something that ANet has set up to be near costless for some players.

Oh and I don't plan on maxing KoaBD - way too much grind in that! But I have set myself the target of filling the displays in at least one HoM, because it's pretty much all there is to do at this point.

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04 May 2008 at 09:00 - 115

what does having 20 minis in HoM do? I have 20+ pets!

zamial

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04 May 2008 at 09:12 - 116

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

what does the HoM do?

other than when all the monuments are maxed a bright flash happens, noone knows. lol

edited quote for the answer.

Lord Sojar

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04 May 2008 at 09:27 - 117

/notsigned.

You are not being punished, you are not losing anything. Veteran players deserve these gifts. If I would not have deleted my original 2 characters, I would have had one by now. I get mine in under 5 months. I look forward to adding them to my HoM and selling the ones I don't particularly care for a few plat.

God forbid, veteran players make 100-160k more then you in a years time! They have such an advantage! You are so abused!

Let's see here...

Assuming 100k average for these new minis atm (which is a bit high, but I will make it high just to cover the bases)

100,000/365 = 274 gold/day rounded up.

So in other words, these veteran players are killing maybe 2-4 more undead outside Bergen Hot Springs on their 55 per day then you are. OMG, you are so denied!

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04 May 2008 at 09:36 - 118

I dont like how all the people that have been here for 3 years have obsidian armor, can you make it so new people can start out in pre-searing with free FoW armor.
This thread /Failz

Ive played 3 beta weekend events, and i just shelled out big $$ for 3 year mini pets.
I suggest you go farm some grawls and buy one if you think its unfair.

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Singapore Armed Forces

04 May 2008 at 10:52 - 119

This thread is a silly thread. If it was properly organized and put in Sardelac, then we could say why it is silly in a more thorough manner.