Adjust my build possibly? Dervish RA Build.

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Lion's Arch Merchant

Joined Dec 2006

May 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM • #1

PVP - RA

Ok well I came up with another build I wanted to try out, tell me what you think --------->

Dervish/Ranger

7 Beast Mastery
15 Scythe Mastery
12 Earth Prayers
6 Mysticism

Rending Touch
Vow of Strength
Hekets Rampage
Aura of Thorns
Antidote Signet
Vital Boon
Signet of Pious Light
Reserruction Signet

I know I will probably just get the typical drop the heal focus on damage you cant win without monk blah blah but lets hear it anyways

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kev read

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May 3, 2008 at 7:55 PM • #2

I agree that the heal is somewhat useful, because there are so many optional slots. However, Aura of Holy Might IS win in PvE. I would advise putting that in instead of Aura of Thorns.

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Asyntyche

Ascalonian Squire

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May 3, 2008 at 8:52 PM • #3

Is this for PvE or PvP? It makes a big difference to what would be a helpful suggestion, for example:
Rending Touch isn't really needed in PvE imho as there are either too many enchants flying about or too few, and there are better ways to remove an enchantment from yourself if thats all its there for e.g. [Pious Assault][Twin Moon Sweep] both doing extra damage.

It's also hard not to make adjustments to your build without suggesting extra damage as that is really what the dervish is for.

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

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Joined Jul 2007

May 3, 2008 at 9:36 PM • #4

Quote: Originally Posted by Asyntyche

Is this for PvE or PvP? It makes a big difference to what would be a helpful suggestion, for example:
Rending Touch isn't really needed in PvE imho as there are either too many enchants flying about or too few, and there are better ways to remove an enchantment from yourself if thats all its there for e.g. [Pious Assault][Twin Moon Sweep] both doing extra damage.

It's also hard not to make adjustments to your build without suggesting extra damage as that is really what the dervish is for. [Vow of Strength] IS his damage, and iirc this IS a PvE thread, so... Yes, [Aura of Holy Might] would be very very good, as it's effects stack with [Vow of Strength]'s.

snaek

Forge Runner

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Joined Mar 2006

May 3, 2008 at 9:52 PM • #5

i personally dun like [vow of strength]
u cant really pressure or spike with it...

its jus pure scythe dps

in which case...
take a few pts off earth
pump up beast mastery
then add pet for an extra free ~5-10dps
(dun really need pet res)

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

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May 3, 2008 at 10:28 PM • #6

[Vow of [email protected]]....

Edit: -.-'

Arkantos

The Greatest

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May 4, 2008 at 2:21 AM • #7

Hey people thinking this is for PvE, read the first line of the OP, kthx.

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

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Joined Jul 2007

May 4, 2008 at 2:39 AM • #8

Figured it was safe to assume, seeing as this is Campfire, PvE builds and whatnot.

[build prof=D/R Scythe=11+1+1 Beast=9 Myst=8+1 Earthprayers=8+1][Vow of Strength][Heket's Rampage][Vital Boon][Shield of Force][Antidote Signet][Signet of Pious Light][no skill][res sig][/build]

Just tossed that together... Dunno how it'll work, figured' it'd be nice to have a bit of defense against those pesky sins.

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~ Dan ~

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May 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM • #9

Quote: Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana Figured it was safe to assume, seeing as this is Campfire, PvE builds and whatnot. Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Disasta

PVP - RA Sure, go ahead and assume - if you're blind.

zling

Desert Nomad

Joined Apr 2006

May 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM • #10

this build FAILS even in RA...
I dont understand how you got so many attribute points, unless you're running like 2 superior runes which is suicide...
your only damage is Vow of Strength, very very bad...
Heket's Rampage isnt the best IAS available, heck stick with Heart of Fury and free up your BM slots and your secondary profession...
Antidote is meh... Mending Touch and Remedy Signet are better if you want a self sufficient condition remover...
the rest are blah, guess they're there due to having Vow of Strength but it still doesnt make them good, especially Aura of Thorns...

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

[HAWK]

Joined Nov 2007

May 4, 2008 at 3:26 PM • #11

im not going to lie, VoS is awful for pvp for the most part, and i wouldnt even suggest it in pve if you want to have much fun at all spamming enchants and autoswinging...

if you REALLY want to use it... try this...

VoS
Hekets
charm
comfort animal
disrupting lunge
vital boon
sig of pious light
res

10+1 earth prayers
11+1+1 sythe
10 beast
whats left in myst

its wasteful of your primary tbh, and to get some extra *ok* damage, that's easily avoidable, isnt worth it. dervs have way more to offer...

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Pure Disasta

Lion's Arch Merchant

Joined Dec 2006

May 4, 2008 at 5:22 PM • #12

Quote: Originally Posted by zling

this build FAILS even in RA...
I dont understand how you got so many attribute points, unless you're running like 2 superior runes which is suicide...
your only damage is Vow of Strength, very very bad...
Heket's Rampage isnt the best IAS available, heck stick with Heart of Fury and free up your BM slots and your secondary profession...
Antidote is meh... Mending Touch and Remedy Signet are better if you want a self sufficient condition remover...
the rest are blah, guess they're there due to having Vow of Strength but it still doesnt make them good, especially Aura of Thorns... 2 Superior Runes lol?

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high priestess anya

Frost Gate Guardian

Joined Nov 2007

May 18, 2008 at 7:12 PM • #13

WARNING ONLY FOR EXP PLAYERS. THIS IS A PRO BUILD AND WILL TAKE SOME MASTERING

try dervish with these skills:
D/A way of perfection, shroud of distress, mystic regen, mystic vigor, victorious sweep, mystic sweep and rez sig..
for your elite you could use vow of silence (but monks wiill hate you even though you heal yourself up to 150 per enemy within scythe range with each hit) or any avatar, i preffered dwayna.or even ebon dust aura..
if you use vow of silence you can time it where you can maintain all enchants whilst being immune to casters, i like using it to interupt their spells also
bare in mind you will need 30+energy.. if you can get good at swapping between vamp, zealous and armor penetraing scythes you will have a lot of fun, especially in RA. i was accused of hacking many times when no one could hit me because of shroud of distress and i was immune to spells :P

scythe mastery=15/16
earth prayers=8
mysticism=9
shadow arts=5

watch out for mesmers with sig of midnight, man i rage when i see mesmers...i mean like....RAAAAAAGE
Also shattering assault from assassins, these are the only skill swhich will hurt this build

also you could swap mystic sweep for cripple sweep since it got nerfed

Keekles

Krytan Explorer

Like A [Boss]

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Joined May 2005

May 19, 2008 at 8:32 AM • #14

Quote: Originally Posted by high priestess anya WARNING ONLY FOR EXP PLAYERS. THIS IS A PRO BUILD AND WILL TAKE SOME MASTERING

try dervish with these skills:
D/A way of perfection, shroud of distress, mystic regen, mystic vigor, victorious sweep, mystic sweep and rez sig..
for your elite you could use vow of silence (but monks wiill hate you even though you heal yourself up to 150 per enemy within scythe range with each hit) or any avatar, i preffered dwayna.or even ebon dust aura..
if you use vow of silence you can time it where you can maintain all enchants whilst being immune to casters, i like using it to interupt their spells also
bare in mind you will need 30+energy.. if you can get good at swapping between vamp, zealous and armor penetraing scythes you will have a lot of fun, especially in RA. i was accused of hacking many times when no one could hit me because of shroud of distress and i was immune to spells :P

scythe mastery=15/16
earth prayers=8
mysticism=9
shadow arts=5

watch out for mesmers with sig of midnight, man i rage when i see mesmers...i mean like....RAAAAAAGE
Also shattering assault from assassins, these are the only skill swhich will hurt this build

also you could swap mystic sweep for cripple sweep since it got nerfed No offense but...
Quote:

Originally Posted by milkflopance

2 attack skills, no IAS, no snare/IMS, way too defensive.

Risus's build was much better than that.

Also, please dont ever claim a build to be "pro". Especially when it's bad. He says it pretty well there...

I'm going to add: 15-16 master = fail. Drops your hp too much to be worth it. People in RA are stupid, just because a bar is useful in RA doesn't make it good. I've gotten 10 wins with just frenzy and healsig on my bar, does that make that skill bar useful? No.

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Turbobusa

Forge Runner

The Mentalists [THPK]

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Joined Jan 2006

May 19, 2008 at 8:48 AM • #15

Ignore anya...

OT auto attack on a dervish is really a waste seeing as you have plenty of useful energy based attacks, and you can even abuse the warrior ones at will...which makes VoS a pretty bad elite for that purpose

Tender Care

Desert Nomad

MpF

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Joined May 2008

May 19, 2008 at 10:44 AM • #16

Quote: Originally Posted by Magikarp

im not going to lie, VoS is awful for pvp for the most part, and i wouldnt even suggest it in pve if you want to have much fun at all spamming enchants and autoswinging... I totally agree!! In PvP worste things for dervish are actually eles, necros and most of all mesmers. VoS for it's fast casting, but not so easy usage, it's a very good elite in RA i always run my normal VoS build, which make me take no dmg from casters, no hex. The only hard thing with VoS build is when u have a both casters and meele on you: regeneration is not enough against a meele and if you got VoS on you only can heal with skills like signet of pious light or similars (that are very few in derv skills). But the point is that when casters realize they cannot target me they simply lose lot of time running around and finding others targets which make me kill them very quickly!

My build in RA:

[vital boon] [mystic regeneration] [mystic sweep] [crippling victory] [wild blow] [heart of fury] [vow of silence] [resurrection signet]

sundering gazing scythe of enchanting, customized,+ 15^enchat.

mysticism: 12
scythe mastery: 12
earth prayers: 11

requires at least 30 energy!

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Turbobusa

Forge Runner

The Mentalists [THPK]

N/

Joined Jan 2006

May 19, 2008 at 10:59 AM • #17

VoS here was Vow of Strength actually.
your build ain't bad but it looks like you have more than one sup/major do you?

Tender Care

Desert Nomad

MpF

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Joined May 2008

May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM • #18

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbobusa

VoS here was Vow of Strength actually.
your build ain't bad but it looks like you have more than one sup/major do you? Well.....it wasn't spicified so

I actually don't have any sup/major rune.....

mysticism: 1 rune+1 armor piece+ the rest are attribute points
scythe mastery: 1 rune+ the rest are attribute points
earth prayer: 1 rune+ the rest are attribute points

health: 555 energy: 31

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high priestess anya

Frost Gate Guardian

Joined Nov 2007

Aug 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM • #19

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Ignore anya...

OT auto attack on a dervish is really a waste seeing as you have plenty of useful energy based attacks, and you can even abuse the warrior ones at will...which makes VoS a pretty bad elite for that purpose i was searching for near immortality....and this builds does that...
slap on cripple sweep or swap rez for dash and BOOM!!
i have had 5 private messages from people who have tried this build and say it works well. but the key thing is to time your enchants right so you can maintain all enchants including VoS.
this build pwned about 8 enemies at the same time in AB i need no criticism from guru-heads when this build has been put through the test of fire.
before you judge, try it yourself please. :P

quoting keekles:
No offense but...

Quote:
Originally Posted by milkflopance
2 attack skills, no IAS, no snare/IMS, way too defensive.

Risus's build was much better than that.

Also, please dont ever claim a build to be "pro". Especially when it's bad.

He says it pretty well there...

I'm going to add: 15-16 master = fail. Drops your hp too much to be worth it. People in RA are stupid, just because a bar is useful in RA doesn't make it good. I've gotten 10 wins with just frenzy and healsig on my bar, does that make that skill bar useful? No.
..end quote..

15-16 scythe mastery is needed to be effective at killing, without this any enemy monk would undo your hard efforts.
as for the "lack of hp"...
+4 regen permanently
+80hp per attack per enemy hit...
+20hp from crit per enemy...
+25hp per hit from mystic vigor...
75% chance to evade phys attacks...
near immunity to spells..
please...lol
you guys are funny :P

Cebe

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Joined Jul 2006

Aug 4, 2008 at 9:09 AM • #20

Thread title edited for clarity.