Strenth of Honor vs the Conjures

I've been thinking awhile about SoH versus the conjure line of spells. Everyone seems to favor the conjures, and for good reason. However I think that SoH is a little under appreciated even if its somewhat inferior to the Conjures.

[Conjure Lightning]
Pros:
-More damage
-Only has to be cast once every 60 seconds, 72 if you switch to an enchanting set
-Doesn't constantly drain your energy
-Gives access to el spells like shock

Cons:
-Lengthy recharge
-Spell could run out at an inconvenient time
-Limited weapon selection (meaning you can only use a lightning weapon to get the most out of it)

[Strength of Honor]
Pros:
-Cast and forget (unless stripped)
-Quicker recharge time if it is stripped
-Allows you to switch weapons as you need to (sundering or vampiric vs armored targets, zealous vs casters, condition increasers when you are about to use a condition attack)
-Let's you bring along a resuable res and condition/hex removal

Cons:
-Greater energy loss (about 20 energy per minute not gained after its cast)
-Less damage
-Easier to interrupt


After looking at all of that, for PvP I would think that the Conjures would be the favorite as monks can remove H&C, repeated ressing not needed unless you suck, then it's useless, and you have slightly more damage and some energy saved. However I would think that for PvE wouldn't SoH be worth considering if you are going to bring a damage buff enchantment? That reusuable res would be using when pugging. Something like cure hex or mending touch would help out the monks in the party. Also the AI is bad enough that one extra point of damage doesn't really matter and you can get by without many energy required attacks.

BTW, as a PvEer myself would weapon switching in PvP be a valuable enough tactic so you can get the most time out of that deep wound or cripple or have the best weapon for the foe on hand? I know weapon switching is commonly done for casters but I don't remember hearing much about it from a warrior's perspective. For example when playing a crip-gash warrior I bring out a crippling weapon for the first attack, switch to a cruel for the follow-up, then return to my normal weapon.

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If I was going to run one in PvE, it would be S&H. You're not going to bring either in the strip happy zones so recharge/cast time isn't an issue. S&H allows you to use a vamp weapon, so damage isn't an issue.

To me it boils down to weather the 2x vs undead and convenience of not recasting all before each fight is worth the marginally higher energy cost. Of course, both pale in comparison to enduring harmony

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Put the SoH on a hero and use both.

Also, cruel mods suck.

If you're going to take it in a PvE setting, I'd pack conjure on the physical, and have a smite monk pack SoH and buff the melee with it. By taking a conjure though, you preclude the use of Barbs and another weapon prefix.

Also, condition lengtheners aren't really all that useful for a Cripslash Warrior, since the conditions last so long already and the adrenal cost is low enough that you can re-apply it again, that you'd be better off continuing your use of Sundering/Vampiric/Elemental weapon mods instead.

[conjure lightning] is barely more dmg, if not less, cuz [strength of honor] is armour-ignoring dmg
and like wellard said, u can use a vamp weap (which also happens to be armour-ignoring)

the real prob wit [strength of honor] is that the energy hurts
and recasting it if it gets stripped is a serious prob

its better used for a smiter mainting it on a teamate imo

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How t3h RED ENGINE GORED can you spam frenzy and BS with -1 pip?

Also, weapon swapping is good if used correctly; otherwise, you just gimp your DPS.

Strength and Honor really needs a buff to put it equal to the conjurs, as it is its very unlikely I would ever chose it over a Conjure.

The one exception might be if I needed the Condition Removal of a monk secondary or possibly a hard res.

Conjures.
It doesn't: Remove 1 pip. You also can run SoH on a hero, or another player for a big bang.
Although Conjures disable your ability to use a Zealous / Vampiric weapon, Strength of Honour makes your energy die fast.

S&H is only worth it on a smiter hero, prefferably Me/Mo
otherwise conjure is just better for both PvP and PvE
as for weapon swapping, changing from Crippling->Cruel->Vampiric is just pointless, cripples your own DPS and makes spiking impossible... Warriors use weapon switching but not with condition lengtheners...
usual warrior weapons: Vampiric, Zealous, Elemental and the last slot depends, Vampiric with different shield, off hand(high energy set), etc

In PvE [conjure flame] + [Strength of honor] + [Hundred Blades] + [Sun and moon slash] = Lots of Big Numbers!!!


In PvP conjure is used for a reason, I think its better, unless you have no energy worries whatsoever.

~A Leprechaun~

The time that conjure lasts outweighs the recharge time unless the enchantment is stripped. The -1 energy regeneration from Strength and Honor also isn't a downside if your using an adrenaline based build. My personal choice is conjure.

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