Elemental Flame - why does it not have a counter

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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how come this particular hex does not have a counter like other hex do, for instant, lingering curse, deep freeze ... etc

[Elemental Flame] does anyone how elemental flame work actually, I've been using it for a whole day yesterday, and try very hard to calculate when enemy will start burning for 5 seconds, as you can see it is a hex and theres no little icon shown on your screen that tells you when it end so it very hard to know when it does end... any help is welcome.

Thanks

Moral55

Moral55

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

SNOW

E/Me

Well say you put that one a guy, and you hex him with blurred vision. When Blurred vision ends he will be set on fire for 5 seconds (or less).

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

because hexes don't have icons in the effects monitor for their duration, unless if they are on you, and you hex a foe.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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ah-sooooooo, its a chain skill thingy. i see i see, so it does not means when the hex end, the enemy will be set on fire. hrmz, no wander it cos so little energy. bleh.

One more question: so as a hex itself [elemental flame] when it ends without players casting another hex on the opponent, does it still able to trigger the 5 seconds burning?

Loco roco

Loco roco

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

Braveheart World Xi [any]

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No, i don't think it does.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Yes. It does count itself when it ends. Both when it ends naturally and when it's removed.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Yes. It does count itself when it ends. Both when it ends naturally and when it's removed.
hrmzzzz, so that comes back to the question of why does it not have a counter? eeeeeeeeps

MoriaOrc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

You say that you are the one casting it. In that case, why would it have a counter? Hexes never have a duration counter for the caster. You just have to time it by hand.

Also, if you're using it in PvP you can use the game timer to help with this.

Aneres

Aneres

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

Phoenix AZ

IACROSSI [iru]

E/W

There's a counter for everything. Try casting it on someone using Hex Breaker. Or Armor of Frost.
-edit- Oh! I misinterpreted the word 'counter' to mean what you would use to negate or counter this skill. My bad, you mean a timer showing your foe's hex durations. ^ poster ahead of me answered that; you just have to know your skills and have good timing.

pipo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

the fire figters

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just put another hex on a foe , and when that hex ends he'll start burning

Lyonette

Lyonette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

[PiG]

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lol i thought he meant a hex breaker counter and not a duration counter as well xD

it's a pity, because this skill could be very useful, but i don't see very many people taking up a skill slot for this. i know i wouldn't.

duration counters for hexes that you cast are a good idea tho, but i guess for now, we will just have to stop being lazy and use our brains

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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I think the best combo for this is to pair it with spells like [shard storm] or [Ice Spikes], to round out the build maybe [Freezing Gust][Glowing Ice][Glowing Gaze][Shatterstone]

Not a high dmg build but could be extemely anoying in AB.

miskav

miskav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

Mo/

Lol, that'd be fun with Shatterstone
I'mma try that.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Because it's quite a bad skill.
You can also take a look at Shatterstone aswell.

Except Shatterstone deals straight-up damage.

For pressure (Elemental Flame's purpose) in the Fire Magic skill line, Immolate would be a better choice as it deals minimal damage, causes Burning and has a recharge of 3.

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

Glyph of immolation is better at anything you'd want elemental flame to do on a water bar.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

^Glyph of Immo + Steam = win!

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

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Use Shatterstone+Elemental Flame+Steamin that order..Shatterstone should end almost instantly before steam hits resulting in a fair bit of damage and blind too.. you can then follow up with another spell if you like. At 14 water magic you will inflict 95+95+96 damage. I guess that could work in RA or AB..

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

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glyph of immo
water trident
steam
water attune
glowing
blurred vision
glyph of ele power, or some other skill, maybe maelstrom?
rez

you are gunna have a few people mad at you in RA for that

thetechx

thetechx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

the mooninites

E/Mo

if you're looking to use it in pve, just go with mark of rodgort-glowing gaze. glowing gaze is just for e-managment if needed, but once MoR is on them, you can just wand them and they will stay on fire.
my pve fire build consists of
glowing gaze- liquid flame- fireball - savannha heat - and MoR. at 16 fire magic you take out most groups in seconds, depending on the bunching up of the enemy group.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

By the way, it does have counters.
Any skill that prevents being target of enemy spells or skills.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Elemental Flame was made obsolete by Glyph of Immolation.

Glyph of Immoation > Shatterstone > Freezing Gust > Steam > Slippery Ground.

Pwns things fast in AB and RA.

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
By the way, it does have counters.
Any skill that prevents being target of enemy spells or skills.
He means counter by like literally a "number counter", not a counter to a build/skill. English is a hard language to understand imo.

snaek

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekelon
He means counter by like literally a "number counter", not a counter to a build/skill. English is a hard language to understand imo.
so by 'counter' he means 'duration'?

r we lookin at teh same skill...
cuz it does have a counter (duration) 0__o

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

never seen that skill used because it fails so hard.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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Probably because no one uses it so it doesn't really have an impact.

snaek

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoXiFy
never seen that skill used because it fails so hard.
it needs to be changed to work on all hexes, not elemental hexes, then maybe it'll get some use

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by snaek
it needs to be changed to work on all hexes, not elemental hexes, then maybe it'll get some use
maybe... it would be cool if they made the energy 10 and it affects all foes in the area as well, than it would be viable in a hex pressure or just in general to get hexes back into gvg. and add your whole all hexes and not elemental bit.