What do you think are all the Minis really actually worth?

Now where the new 3rd Year Minipets are out, the olders ones are obviously supposed to lose imo some worth again, because all the masses will hunt down now more and more the newer Pets, the older ones will lose demand and thats imo normal. All Minins lose over time their demand, with no demand, theres no reason for high up to insane high prices.

I personally believe, that until today, there are some Minis under all, that got imo too much hyped and which prices get tryed to keep up high artificially. So rare can those certain Minis not be, that even certain much rarer Minis are now cheaper, than those.

I'd like to know now, what you people think, what is at the moment the real worth of each Mini when undedicated, and when dedicated. Because you can look where you want in different forums, you will see everywhere for different Minis alot of different SK's, which lets believe me, that alot of People either try to rip off others, or either most of the Community doesn't know about the real worth of a Mini and puts into their auction just some Wish Prices - an amount of money and or Ectos or so, that someone would love to get best for his/her Mini.
Those ones, which put into their auctions then way to high Wish prices, are then all the Threads, which try to find for Weeks to find a Buyer, and never will find one.
This Thread should not become a Flame Fest, where anyone gets betitled as Noob or so, only because someone posted an imagination of their personal value of the minis, that is in someone others opinion way too low or too high !!! If anyone postts here anything, that would lead anyhow to flaming or trolling, Mods please delete those posts instantly without a warning nor a PM - this should be a Discussion about what the Community things, what the real actual worth of minis is. This Thread should maybe lead someday people in the Seller Section to price their Minis better, so that they find easier Buyers and don't get eventually flamed for noobish high prices, or otherwise their threads find absolutely 0 attention - no replies, than the daily BUMP Spam...
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So here is the List of my personal view about what I think that all miniatures are realy actually worth in the Moment.

1st Year:

White

Fungal Wallow: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g
Hydra: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g
Jade Armor: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g
Necrid Horseman: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g
Siege Turtle: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g
Temple Guardian: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g
Whiptail Devourer: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g
Jungel Troll: Unded. - 1 Platin / Ded. - 500g

Reasoning:
Its simple said. Those ones are the most commonst Minis off ALL, Everyone and everyone's Mom, Dad, Grandma and their Dog have those Minis. The Market is somewhat of flooded with those Minis, that we can see it daily, when people just give them away to others or complete Beginners in Ascalon that see those ones for their first Time and cry "oooooh soooo coool", where any old player looks at them only with a tiny smile in their face looking into the inventory seeing there a Mini Gwen or Mini Mallyx, whatever.
Dedicated price if for me personally ever 50% lesser, than the undedicated version. The reason is simple, because with dedicated minis you can do only the half thing, what you can do with undedicated one,s so they are only the half worth up to personally lesser, when you personally need to get rid of them quick, until you find one, that buys you your stuff off, if even when XD and you end not up giving the Mini simple away to a friend or so.


Purple

Burning Titan: Unded. - 7,5 Platin / Ded. - 3,75 Platin
Charr Shaman: Unded. - 7,5 Platin / Ded. - 3,75 Platin
Kirin: Unded. - 7,5 Platin / Ded. - 3,75 Platin

Reasoning:
When I bought my ones, I bought them at prices at those days for like 9 to maximum 12 Platin. Those Days lie now like 5+ Months in the PAST. Thats alot of Time and daily find thousands over thousands of new minis into the game. With those Minis here is it, like with white ones. Market is overflooded. In some months again, those ones here hsould be unded. surely only 5 Platin worth. If you see anyone selling those 3 Minipets for like 20 Platin still and I know, there are alot of guys and girls out there, which want to have so much Moeny for those Minis lol, then you will know, that you found either someone, which made a very huge Playing Break, or that you found someone, who tries to rip off others - mostly beginners, which have yet absolutel no clue about minipet values or even about, what the difference is between a dedicated Mini and an undedicated one.
To all those Beginners out there:
If you ever intend to do something for your hall of Monuments, then buy only UNDEDICATED MINIPETS, because only those can be bound to your personal HoM !!! If you give a shit about your HoM, then you can buy as much dedicated ones, as you want, without any regrets, until your Inventory says no to you because it would explode otherwise, cause of havign no space anymore ^^


Gold

Prince Rurik: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin
Shiro Tagachi: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin

Reasoning:

When I bought those 2, and thats even more than 5 months ago, even at that point I bought both for ONLY an average of 15 Platin. Rurik I even bought for the said 12,5 Platin, but I think at that day it was just only a lucky hit fto fidn the right person at the right time. However, that were the days, when you looked there into forums for those 2 minis, lots of people priced those 2 ever way to high. All wanted to have for those 2 ever like 25-40 Platin oO and I was ever only like WTF lol, who buys those for these prices must be an idiot XD, what has been stated then someday as truth, when I found for myself with some searching the right people, which sold me the minis for mine prices and not for some way to high Wish Prices of Cluelessness.
But the best thing is, I find up to today ever again some people, ingame, but also in forums, which seem to believe, that those minis are still like 60 platin worth rofl XD People, when you ever see someone trying to sell Rurik or Shiro for 20-60k, do me a favor, point with a finger on them ingame and LAUGH OUT LOUD *g*


Green
Bone Dragon: Unded. - 65-75 Platin / Ded. - 32,5-37,5 Platin

Reasoning: Hmm, one o the less Minis I don't bought yet or got yet, however I watch the price of it, since it exists XD. market gets more and more flooded with them, you can really see it, how quick the price of BD's has fallen down in the last 2 Months from 90 Platin to now 65-75 Platin, thats a huge fall down and imo this mini is now supposed to fall down far more, due to the new 3rd year minis. I believe we will see the BD fall down soon to like 50 Platin for unded. where i think the Price Fall will stop.
However, it might also fall down far mor to say I could think of for example 35-40 Platin, because lots of the new 3rd Year white ones even sell now for far lesser, than Bone Dragons, but theoretically even those 3rd Year White Minis are alot rarer, than Bone Dragons are, to to beign alot newer naturally and the market of them not beign so flooded yet. Time will tell, I personelly foresee a rapid fall down in the next months again, until the price gets not artificially desperately tried to keep high by players, unwilling to sell for lower, than their high Wish Prices that are like the old Price. Even now, where the price is fallen down to 65-75 platin, you see still enough people, which try to sell them for 90 to 100 lol >.>
People, so filled with greed, that you can feel it XD lol ever wanting only the max out of somethign *g*
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2nd Year

White
Aaxte: Unded. - 20 Platin / Ded. - 10 Platin
Fire Imp: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin
Heket Warrior: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin
Harpy Ranger: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin
Juggernaut: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin
Thorn Wolf: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin
Wind Rider: Unded. - 12,5 Platin / Ded. - 6,25 Platin
Mandragor Imp: Unded. - 20 Platin / Ded. - 10 Platin

Reasoning:

The Price of the Aaxte gets 100% artificially keeped up by players at 25-30 Platin, but the Market becomes more and more flooded by them, the demand gets lesser. Does nobody seem to see, how much more people beneath yourself are trying to sell these? Even at auction houses, like GWAH you can get them with luck for like 17 to 18 Platin. The price of Axxtes never changed in the last half year, only so slightly, that you nearly feel about it no difference (wow, prices max decresed from 30k to mostly 28k, what a huge decrease in a half year, where a Bone Dragon nearly loses 33% of its worth!!!)
Its really suspicious, that Aaxte changed so less in the price, where much cooler and rarer Pets get a big piece of the price cake off >.> Don't you think so too ???? The rest are average Price for which i bought thiose Minis for like 2-3 Months ago. The Wind Rider i could buy off of someone unded even for ONLY 1 Platin, but that was again only a lucky hit, but even at that time, they were mostly sold for an average of 15-17 Platin, so did all the other Minis, 15-17 platin was some months ago THE price for mostly all of the 2nd Year Whites, except mandragor, cause of its funny Side Effect and the Aaxte mostly for its best skin of all the whites. But when you search enough, I'm sure you will now find enough people, which sell all the ones listed with 12,5 Platin for lesser, like 9-10 Platin. Unded. I listed only the average Price, of what I believe they are worth actually.
Like it is so for all other Minis too, you will find naturally also for those Minis here peopole, which try to rip off others, or which made a longer break and believe, nothing has changed in the time, they didn't play GW >.< Those one, which are really the best, why try to sell stuff for way too high prices, call you a noob for tellign them, that their stuff is much lesser worth, but then you get to know, that they made a playing break of like a half year or even longer >.< lol That are the people, which you would love most to kick in their asses and to stamp them personally with the Ban Hammer XD However, further in the text ...


Purple

Elf: Unded. - 10 Platin / Ded. - 5 Platin
Koss: Unded. - 17,5 Platin / Ded. 8,75 Platin
Palawa Joko: Unded. - 17,5 Platin / Ded. - 8,75 Platin

Reasoning:

The Elf i bought very long ago, like 6-7 months ago at a time, where people tried it so sell for like 21-25 Platin rofl, where it at this point even was really only like max 15 Platin worth, because that this is somewhat of extreme UGLY, total non understandable, why it is even a puple Mini, where the Aaxte would have been a much better Purple one. I personally bouth mine for just only 9 Platin !!! and that is as said like 6-7 months ago and I did't even search very long for a seller, just picked someone in P-List, searched the person, trade window on, 9 p in, ok, trade finish and seller said nothign ...lol.
The other both are tried for logn tiem to be sold by lots of people for like 22-25 Platin, but also the times of these prices for them a far over. If you really want to sell thse 2 quick now, you have to go under 20 Platin. I personally bought both for under 20 Platin, Palawa even only for 16 p and that like 2 months ago.


Gold
Lich Lord: Unded. - 80-85 Platin / Ded. - 40-42,5 Platin
Water Djinn: Unded. - 85 Platin / Ded. - 42,5 Platin

Reasoning: Lich Lord lost value, due to alot lesser demand and too much supply, everone was ever trying in the latest past, to sell for for the typical 100 Platin and 1-5 Ectos, but Lich Thread never got any attention in last time.
i personally also believe, that the price will fall down soon to 75 platin or so.
About the Water Djin, thats aboutely 100% only my opinino. The Water Djinn is oen of the few minis, which get way too much hyped and their price gets 100 pro artificially keeped up high. With the Water Djinn is like with the Aaxte. Since like a half year nearly no price fall, only so slight and soooooooooo slow, that you nearly feel now difference, when you have to pay after a half year only 1 stupid Ecto lesser >.> There are sooo much people out there, tryign to sell Djinns, and al they try it for the same price lol.
Very good selling tactics i cal this rofl. There are 100 people ut there selling apples for 100P and 4E, you will be the 101th one, what should you do best, to get recognized over all other 100 seller, which try to sell the same thing, like ? huh? huh ?

YA SURE NOT SELLING IT FOR THE SAME PRICE !!! DUH, got, that must really hurt to be so dumb to try a half year long to sell somethign for the same price, like all others, endign up in countless sellign threads with 0 replies.
How about trying for lesser price, start with 90 Platin, would be a beginning >.> But for me personally, its long time only like 85P worth and not more, anything over that is just hyped rip off, especially, when the same rare Lich even gets down to 85 Platin. is there really a reson to keep the Djinns at 100P and 4 Ectos. I see none, both pets are same cool, same rare...


Green
Gwen: Unded. - 100 P and 10-15E Platin / Ded. - 87,5 Platin.

Reasoning: its the same, with all the other gold the rare green of the first yesr. These minis lose their demand, to to too much people wanting too high Wish Prices for them over too long time. Because people start to prefer to use their money for other rare things, like the new contest items. Lots of people try to sell Gwen unded for like 100 Platin and 30-35E oO way too high and the result is mostly ever the same. A thread with no reply, no one having bought it, because people are waiting, for the point, till the seller reduce the final sell price to an amount, that comes nearer to the real worth of the pet, and thats mostly like 100P and 10-15E to me, at this price are alot more people willign to buy Gwen i think
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About Magazine Pets I make me mostly no thoughts, they are all like only 1 Platin worth, except the Ceratodon, which is like 10-15 Platin worth to me, I bought mine instantly at release for just 10 Platin from someone XD, where others tried to sell them for like 25-50+ Platin.

Event pets like C-Rat and C-Pig, nearly the same, like 2nd Year white minis atm. About the uber rare limited Pets I don't make me thoughts about, because they are way too rare and their limitation simple sucks and its for me personalyl a fact, that the game needs a change about those Minins, so that their prices will fall down to normal reachable heigths... no Minipet imo should cost more than 100 Platin. Because as logn such limited uber rare minis exist in the game, there will be ever a reason for people to cheat and exploit Bugs or to buy Ebay Gold. Those limited Minis are one reason, why the Economy is so damn hard broken and that needs as soon as possible a fix.
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About the newest latest 3rd Year ones I won't mske me thoughts too yet, because its simple too early. The huge flood of them hasn't arrived yet. Daily will find into the game now more and more of them and even now the white minis sell for real low prices mostly. Seems lots of people understand, that it would be ridiculous to want for the 3rd year white minins now 100 Platin and xxxx ectos or so, because simple no one would buy them.
OS the clever ones startwed with prices for the whites now with like 50-75 Platin in regard of the coolness factor of the pet and if ists just a reskin, or somethin complete new, so you will see the reskins all havign lesser prices, than like the newer white minis, like the Cave Spider or the Raptor & Mursaat

purples are to that again ridiculous high at like 300-500 Platin atm+, varies very much from person to person. golds are all like 500-800platin atm and green goes to like 1 million lol. Just ridiculous, like ever, when some new shit finds the way into the game. cheaters, gold buyers and a very few of honest powertraders will ram their heads against each others to be the first ones, which own every new thigns FIRST, just for posing lol

I personally can say only to others: don#t buy any of the new 3rd ones yet, other then maybe the cheap white ones, when you want to have them now quick, then the lose of the money will not hurt so much, as when you bought one for like 500platin and like 2 months later its then only the half worth, then you will kick your butt seriously for having wasted 250 platin, just to have something, that has nothign special as effect, other then perma running after you, 2 months earlier >.> its it that really worth for you, wate so much money to have some useless pixels 60 days earlier in your inventory wasting a slot, then anyone other ?

To come to an end, please discuss about that Topic. I want see your list of what you think those minis are really actualy worth, maybe i will realize, even, that some of my listed prices are actually too high XD, who knows. Once we have listed here enough opinions about the prices together, its possible to create an average value for the minis, which can be then considered as the actual lated mini price beign set up by the community.

You are aware that there is already a thread with the baseline prices of minis in the trade forums, right?

Edit:

The already existing price guide is for people to post their findings on the prices, usually through their own trading experiences. While the main post isn't usually up to date, you can get an idea of the average price by taking a look at the last few pages in the thread. The only merging that should take place is reposting the opinion on the prices as a regular post in price guide thread. That's what it's there for.

This should be moved to the price check forum, but the baseline prices for minis thread already there is majorly out of date. Perhaps some of the information in this thead could be merged with that sticky.

If you're asking our opinion if what we THINK they should be worth then I'd say nothing imo but you pretty much outlined the market prices if you were wishing to inform us.

Still, one man's opinion can not control and change the market. While I agree that minis are worth a lot less then most people claim they are, if everybody was as smart about prices as you and me, then minis would never be sold for 100k+ecto.
But with people with a lot of cheap disposable income, vanity items like minis are all that is left.

i would have to strongly diagree. Considering the fact that there are only 49 mini knaxsis out there and like possible hundreds to thousands of mini pigs why should all minis be classified in such a small differerence of 0-100k. they shouldnt cause the fact is that the rich people who have played the game longer and know what they are doing should have the high valued minis. why would a noob just starting the game who achived 100k 2 weeks later be walking around with a mini that only 48 other people in the game have? he shouldnt and so the reasoning behind the prices. thats like saying a car is a car they all move you around, and yet people buy because of specs, and the name. people buy things in guildwars because of the skin or name ect. there fore there should be a darastic difference between the unliked minis and the super rare ones.

With worldwide inflation going on right now as a lesson we shouldn't wish for high Guild Wars prices in the hopes to get rich off a couple item sales it costs us somehow in the end. It is good we are seeing deflation on many items in guild wars less for one item but stimulates trade on many items.

Many price lists ive seen do seem out of date and very high on most items I have bought/sold for much less or wouldnt buy at all for the high price. (Of course I would be happy to sell for a higher price but wouldnt waste much time trying to get too much.)

The prices look good I would consider buying at those prices but since I'm not overly concerned with minis I only but at very low prices if I have the coin to waste on them. First year purple mini even 7.5 plat is on the high end of what I think they are worth. There are so many people with 2-3 years that have put many on the market. A few hold for high prices but many want to clear their inventory and sell for a decent price to get it done fast. And 1st year players dont have long to wait to get them.

3rd year minis are obviously too high but if you gotta have one right away and have the coin go for it otherwise wait many more people will have 3rd years to sell soon.

uhm, sry, hadn't thought of it, that there exists a guide.
But as it has been said now, it seems to be very outdated, so my thread has maybe something good to actualize it ^^.

keep the opinions coming *g*

While it is outdated, we can't simply just replace the guide with yours. Yours is your own opinion while the guide, at the time of it's last update, was based on what had been experienced by numerous members of the community. This will continue to be the case when the first post is next updated.

I'm not challenging your opinions here, I'm just saying that they can't be used to override all of the contributions made to the existing thread.

Phoenix, while your intentions are certainly admirable, your total lack of insight only makes your failure more tragic and comedic at the same time.

I think they're worthless, myself, which is why I sell them to people who think they are worth something for as much as I can.

A price check for minis already exists. And while yes, the first post may be outdated, the newer of the 141 pages that follow are not. And those pages(based on actual current buy and sell experiences) already disagree with some of your values.

Using logic to price check = instant fail.

They are worth what a buyer is willing to pay for them, no more no less.

I'm stealing this line for day-to-day use.

I think threads like this are pointless because they are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them. Something may be crap to one person and priceless to another.

Mini's are worth nothing, But peoples need to show off makes them worth something.

Ded mini's should just get trashed.

I'll agree that minis are worth whatever someone is willing to pay. If I had some random player come up to me and offer to buy my Wallow for 50k, I'd do it and not feel bad about it. Same thing applies to the rest of the minis in my collection, although I'm not actually selling any of them. Some people collect bottle caps, others collect hockey cards. I collect GW minis. :P

And as an aside to the TC, you should proof-read your stuff before you post it. I had a heck of a time trying to figure out what was being said due to the despicable grammar.

The ones I have are worth 100k+10ecto. Want to buy them? :O

Read above. Guide exists, this will be outdated eventually too, opinions are like assholes, etc.

What do I think they're worth? Nothing. Because they're NOT worth anything. Like most other salable goods in Guild Wars, they're vanity items, so they're worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them.

Kind of like a mahogany carving of a cat licking its own nuts. I wouldn't pay a nickel for such an atrocity, but I'll bet lots of people out there would be happy to bid tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars on such an absurdly useless thing just to say they have it.

No baring on gameplay -> no actual value.

But they're nice to steal and sell for decent amounts of $$.



HOLY SHIT... TL;DR OP.

The price guide, whether updated or outdated, serves as a baseline and recent posted sales/buys can give an average; however, it all comes down to what the seller feels is a reasonable price and/or the buyer is willing to pay...


Bah, mahogany...now if you were talking Swarovski crystal ~ I'd be all over that

1) As others have noted, everything is worth what someone will pay for it. Nothing in life has an intrinsic value; the value of an item is a function of how common the item is and how badly people want one. AKA: supply and demand.

2) These values in GW are always ranges, as there's a time price associated with selling an item. The lowest sustainable price is the highest price that guarantees an instant sale (time price = 0), as all lower prices are dominated by that price. The highest sustainable price is the highest price that any player is willing and able to pay. Anything within that price range is a legitimate transaction that we should expect to observe.

From the above: price guides are put together from data, not opinion. Since these items have no intrinsic value, we assemble a price guide by observing data points (prices things sell for) and then attempting to infer what the lowest and highest sustainable prices are. We do not assemble price guides from the opinions of players; there's no basis in fact for inferring that any opinion or collection of opinions is a valid measure of what stuff will sell for.

This thread will go nowhere, and it should be locked. At best, continuation of this thread will enable some individual that understands neither logic nor economics (or a troll that does understand these concepts) to provoke a flamefest.

Prices are not arbitrarily set by discussion. This isn't a suitable topic for discussion, nor would it belong in the price check forums. Closed.