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anonymous

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09 May 2008 at 23:00 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk In The Box

PvE is better than PvP. For example PvE is about 75% of the game and PvE has 3 Continents while PvP has a couple small islands. The majority of titles/items remain in PvE. People should stop saying they are both equal as it is clear that PvE has more "Meat" in game play. I'm not trying to offend anyone or be "That bad guy that dislikes PvP" But in my view PvE is better than PvP.

Where is the depth in PvE? That is the "meat". You keep repeating the same things over and over and over with no change, you call that the "meat"? Pretty sure Antarctica is pretty big, but that doesn't make it anywhere near as good as (insert your favorite city here).

Dru Stratas

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09 May 2008 at 23:05 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohara

it is a stupid, stupid argument tbh. if you don't like pvp/pve...don't play it - there's no reason to go around trashing people who do, no matter which "side" anet seems to favor at any given moment. there's plenty of douchebags on both sides.

Winning post tbh, most valid point so far :P

What do you guys mean depth anywho, because both sides have lore , ok pve obviously has more, but what do you actually mean when you say depth or meat?

Redfeather1975

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09 May 2008 at 23:07 - 43

A lot of people will assert they are better than others on any level they can think of.
Because assertion of theory is easier than proof through practice.

An arrogant person advertises his greatness.
A confident person allows it to speak for itself.

razuel

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09 May 2008 at 23:10 - 44

I play PvE purely because I can't get into PvP. It's intimidating, I try and fail because I have no idea how things work and the PvP community is not friendly in that aspect.

So I gave up and stuck to PvE, it's fun and the community is much nicer.

bel unbreakable

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10 May 2008 at 00:11 - 45

pvpers are their own worst enemy

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10 May 2008 at 00:26 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretchs

You are kidding with the no more balances part right? If not you truly are disillusioned. You think there will be no more skill balances ever again? Stop your QQ and be realistic, of course there will be.

If their latest attempts were 'balance' updates, then I would say that no, we aren't getting any new balance updates.

Taki

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10 May 2008 at 00:53 - 47

Simply put: each side believes that the other has a detrimental affect on their own.

For example,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molock

... the PvE's would complain when their farming builds were nerfed and would come QQ here...

And the PvPers would get irritated when skill balances that should have been done were not done as expected or even not done at all, because of the backlash that would come from players who were exclusively PvE.

There are other relatively minor issues too but that's the meat of it.

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10 May 2008 at 01:41 - 48

Spamming that ursan strike is getting hard lately, I need to practice more. The pvp lamers could never play ursan as good as i can.

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10 May 2008 at 01:43 - 49

Thanks to Anet, Pvp and Pve both suck equally. Thanks to the hostile player base Pvp and Pve both suck equally. Each has aspects that are appealing and each has aspects that leave us wanting to swallow our own tongues.

When someone says, "Oh pvpers', Or "Oh pvers" then they are just showing their character flaws. Its a game, keep your mouth shut and play. Stop crying about the other side and just enjoy what you have. People just like to bitch and complain, To belittle others to feel superior. I for one pitty those people because they can't be secure enough to allow others their fun no matter how F'd up they believe it is. And they will also never enjoy the game to its fullest because they are to busy QQing about this or that.

I enjoy pve. Its what I do normally. I enjoy the story and the rewards. I love using heroes and choosing when I enteract with others.

I enjoy pvp. Its what I do to mix things up, I enjoy the thrill of not wanting to fail my group, and learning new tactics. I enjoy the hard earned victories and I learn from the horrible failures.

So again I say, Thanks to Anet, Pvp and Pve both suck equally. Thanks to the hostile player base Pvp and Pve both suck equally. Each has aspects that are appealing and each has aspects that leave us wanting to swallow our own tongues.

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10 May 2008 at 01:44 - 50

Sweet, I tihnk.
*Hides*

Snow Bunny

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10 May 2008 at 03:50 - 51

Top PvP players are better than any other players in the world.

Why do you not understand this?

Accept it and move on

HuntMaster Avatar

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10 May 2008 at 03:55 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Top PvP players are better than any other players in the world.

Why do you not understand this?

Accept it and move on

Not true, they are simply better than any other players who have competed in THAT tournament, or at the very least, they made fewer mistakes and or got lucky. You can not compare pve/pvp skill levels because it requires different tactics, nor can you say this person is the best because hes the top ranked because there are others out there who may be even better who have not had the desire to join a competition.

Besides, what does being the best mean when the competition is mostly filled with pvx noobs and pvp newbs? Its all subjective. But I do give respect to those players who do manage to make the top rankings. They have skill, that is undeniable. But whether they are THE best is often laughable.

Snow Bunny

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10 May 2008 at 04:00 - 53

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

You can not compare pve/pvp skill levels because it requires different tactics, nor can you say this person is the best because hes the top ranked because there are others out there who may be even better who have not had the desire to join a competition.

Soul Wedding/Tommy are the best monks of all time, better than any PvE monk.

Please prove that wrong.

snaek

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10 May 2008 at 04:00 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

A lot of people will assert they are better than others on any level they can think of.
Because assertion of theory is easier than proof through practice.

An arrogant person advertises his greatness.
A confident person allows it to speak for itself.

said arrogant person can still be better than said confident person

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Not true, they are simply better than any other players who have competed in THAT tournament, or at the very least, they made fewer mistakes and or got lucky. You can not compare pve/pvp skill levels because it requires different tactics, nor can you say this person is the best because hes the top ranked because there are others out there who may be even better who have not had the desire to join a competition.

Besides, what does being the best mean when the competition is mostly filled with pvx noobs and pvp newbs? Its all subjective. But I do give respect to those players who do manage to make the top rankings. They have skill, that is undeniable. But whether they are THE best is often laughable.

when they start holding pve tournaments, lemmie kno, k?

Mr Fizzle

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10 May 2008 at 04:13 - 55

I like to pvp because there's something more gratifying to defeat a player.

I get bored of pve quickly due to no gratifacation.

Why people insult each other?
No idea, but there's no reason to deny that high lvl gvg does take more skill than any pve.Lets not deny that or try too we all know the truth.

Res Ipsi

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10 May 2008 at 04:46 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Soul Wedding/Tommy are the best monks of all time, better than any PvE monk.

Please prove that wrong.

It would take only one exception to prove this statement wrong. On the other hand, you'd have to assess the ability of every GW player out there (both PvE and PvP) to prove it right. You first

snaek

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10 May 2008 at 04:53 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Res Ipsi

It would take only one exception to prove this statement wrong. On the other hand, you'd have to assess the ability of every GW player out there (both PvE and PvP) to prove it right. You first

"best" is a title
if u dun rise to the occasion
u cannot earn that title

Snow Bunny

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10 May 2008 at 05:00 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Res Ipsi

It would take only one exception to prove this statement wrong. On the other hand, you'd have to assess the ability of every GW player out there (both PvE and PvP) to prove it right. You first

Stop with the sillyness. It's pathetic.

Don't tell me you wouldn't enjoy being considered a top level PvP monk if you could achieve that level.

Any player that can play at that level will play at that level. Pve is only so stimulating.

Fine. There's a reason that Soul Wedding played for EvIL and some DVDF monk did not.

This Devil's Advocate bullshit is annoying. In PvE you're playing against a set environment with set creatures with set skills with predictable reactions and so on. You can predict virtually the entire playing field, and thus be equipped to deal with it as perfectly as possible. You can manage aggro, control it, etc.

In PvP, you can assume that the other team will run balanced or a gimmick. Let's say they run balanced. You can't control their aggro; if they don't enjoy being body blocked by you, they'll simply kill you. It takes much more skill to monk against a warrior quarterknocking the stuffing out of you than to powerheal through a bunch of EotN monster skills inflicting Deep Wound, 120 damage, and Bleeding.

I can play vs. Bots in Starcraft all day to my heart's content. The bots in SC are fairly similar to GW AI - exact same patterns. When I go up against some human player, expecting to play like I do against a bot, I'm going to get thrashed. The same applies to Guild Wars.

PvE is good for the game. You get shiny weapons, silly quests, story, etc. But in no way is PvE even comparably as difficult as PvP. The best players in the best PvE guild will have nothing skill-wise on the best players in the best PvP guild.

Get over it, move on, accept it.

C2K

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10 May 2008 at 05:26 - 59

Its not really a PvE vs. PvP agenda. Its more like a solo vs. teamplay argument. When a skill balance is introduced, one of the first posts is always "**** you Anet, you ruined my farming build". Guild Wars was not supposed to be a solo game, it was meant for people to use the H/H or to party up with each other. If you do teamplay in PvE, chances are you will always find a way to accomplish something or you use Ursan if you can't be bothered.

So, when Anet completes the divide of PvE and PvP in the upcoming skill update, the real winners are the solo farmers.

arcanemacabre

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10 May 2008 at 05:28 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Top PvP players are better than any other players in the world.

Despite a few that have a hard time understanding, I don't think there is any question to the accuracy of this statement. However, I also don't think this is the issue at hand. The issue is how much people claim PvP, as a game mode, is better than PvE, as a game mode, and vise-versa. I think what the OP is getting at is that they are both simply subjective choices, neither better than the other, and people should chill with the animosity a little.

The fact that a heated argument came about from the mere mention of "better players" on one side as opposed to the other gives an excellent example of just what the OP is talking about. People have their preferences, for whatever their reasons, and they should not have to be subjected to ridicule on that principle alone. It's just childish, and it makes everyone who participates in the dispute look really, really bad.

Taurus

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10 May 2008 at 05:40 - 61

Tip for you all : pull the stick out of yer rear ends.

Edit : My advice to the mod, close this.

mafia cyborg

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10 May 2008 at 05:56 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

If their latest attempts were 'balance' updates, then I would say that no, we aren't getting any new balance updates.

the last patch (the one reverted for fear of pve farmers backlash) was the best skill balance in a long time.
now we're left with the previous dumb patch .....

DreamWind

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10 May 2008 at 06:44 - 63

The reason the PvE vs PvP divide exists? Arenanet. They created it. Plain and simple. I have explained it many times and I will again if people don't believe me.

Dark Imperial

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10 May 2008 at 07:31 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Top PvP players are better than any other players in the world.

Why do you not understand this?

Accept it and move on

I've seen top PvP players fail at Urgoz Warren Elite Mission.(this is going the old way not with ursan.) So how can they be better than other players?

HuntMaster Avatar

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10 May 2008 at 08:48 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Soul Wedding/Tommy are the best monks of all time, better than any PvE monk.

Please prove that wrong.

I see no proof of them being the best. Since you have never witnessed every single pve monk I guess you have no idea what you are talking about. I could spout names too.

Master Rhys Mason is the greatest monk of all time, better than any pvp monk.

Please prove that wrong.

Genius Was Revrac

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10 May 2008 at 09:19 - 66

PvP- Started as the backbone of GW's but is slowly losing favor due to lack of updates, skill nerfs, and dedicated PvP'ers moving on. PvP requires attention to detail and thinking on the fly that most PvE players lack.

PvE-Started out small but has grown exponentially as A-Net continues to favor this aspect of GW's. Requires coordination but less so then PvP and 1 good leader can pull a team through any Elite mission.

I play both and I am the guild leader of an ELite PvE guild in the LoD alliance. I believe that if ppl from both genres can realize that this is just a game and that nothing can be proven in texting battles but actually seeing the person in action is the only way to prove a players worth. So next time you go and start flaming a PvE or PvP player because you dislike one or the other.....give the person a chance to fail first.

Avarre

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10 May 2008 at 09:33 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

I think the DVDF UW competition proved that theory.

The one problem with this argument is that PvE does not change. You are executing a known plan against known enemies. The best PvE team could be replaced with bots as at their most efficient, they are just mechanically cleaning group by group.

PvP requires in-game adaptation and strategic ability as your opponent can adjust tactics. That alone puts it above any area currently in PvE.

A PvE group that does a PvE area repeatedly will be better than a PvP group that has less experience in the area, simply because the PvE group will have better map knowledge and information about how to run over the groups. This makes them good at the area, but being good at Guild Wars is more than designing a group to run over a single, practiced zone.

In the same way, PvP players that use a single build and tactic, or map, to win aren't usually considered good players (rit spike on Jade Isle, anyone?).

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

The reason the PvE vs PvP divide exists? Arenanet.

Correct. ANet's pandering to players who want PvE and PvP separate by introducing PvE-only concepts is what is creating the divide. Even so, most PvP players play PvE anyways, so the only real 'divide' is the players who refuse to PvP for whatever reason.

It's PvE-only players vs GW players. And similarly to PvE-only skills and standard skills, one of those groups is more wholesome for game cohesion overall.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

I see no proof of them being the best.

The reason they are the best is because they win. They win at something that actually takes skill, in situations where there is more pressure (EvIL in GWWC/FC, etc). While some may disagree (I know people who believe One Star to be superior to Soul) the general idea is the same - their accomplishments speak for themselves.

Surena

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10 May 2008 at 09:35 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

I see no proof of them being the best. Since you have never witnessed every single pve monk I guess you have no idea what you are talking about. I could spout names too.

Master Rhys Mason is the greatest monk of all time, better than any pvp monk.

Please prove that wrong.

Did he play GvG at highly competitive levels?

If not, then good game and au revoir.

Angelic Upstart

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10 May 2008 at 09:41 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

People fear what they do not understand.

People get pissed off with hearing insults like PvE scrub , PvE takes no skill etc, well whatever, i for one will be glad if the attitude that exists from those PvPers, that feel they have to put people down to make themselves feel better and who that look down at all players gets separated im sick to death of hearing it tbh.

That may be true Hawk about real life matters or may have been true in the dark ages but this is a game and beleive me there is nothing to fear in it. lol

C2K

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10 May 2008 at 09:44 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

I see no proof of them being the best. Since you have never witnessed every single pve monk I guess you have no idea what you are talking about. I could spout names too.

Master Rhys Mason is the greatest monk of all time, better than any pvp monk.

Please prove that wrong.

I bet if he gets knocked down, he would rage at his teammates and leave the game. Top level GvG monks are always under immense pressure to protect their team as well as keep their own head. PvE monking is keeping up Healer's Boon and spamming heals. I know because my Heroes do a pretty good job for me in Hard Mode

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Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

People get pissed off with hearing insults like PvE scrub , PvE takes no skill etc, well whatever, i for one will be glad if the attitude that exists from those PvPers, that feel they have to put people down to make themselves feel better and who that look down at all players gets separated im sick to death of hearing it tbh.

Thats a fair request, but segregating the skills is only going to make the insults worse, because now the skills do totally different things depending where you are.

arcanemacabre

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10 May 2008 at 09:59 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by C2K

Thats a fair request, but segregating the skills is only going to make the insults worse, because now the skills do totally different things depending where you are.

Then that makes the insults that much more pointless. It's effectively two different games at this point. It would be like Counterstrike players insulting GTA4 players.

...and I bet they do, too. Wonderful world, this internetz.

Res Ipsi

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10 May 2008 at 11:47 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Fine. There's a reason that Soul Wedding played for EvIL and some DVDF monk did not.

Now look who's being silly. I play hockey. Why would a soccer team be interested in my slap shot?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

But in no way is PvE even comparably as difficult as PvP.

Who said it was?

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

The best players in the best PvE guild will have nothing skill-wise on the best players in the best PvP guild.

I await the results of the study you conducted to come to this conclusion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Get over it, move on, accept it.

I accept that you've proven nothing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

A PvE group that does a PvE area repeatedly will be better than a PvP group that has less experience in the area, simply because the PvE group will have better map knowledge and information about how to run over the groups. This makes them good at the area, but being good at Guild Wars is more than designing a group to run over a single, practiced zone.

You bring up a good point - experience. PvE players won't be as good in a PvP environment as a diehard PvP'r for the same reason. As for the ability to "think on the fly", which proponents of PvP assume is the great dividing point between PvE and PvP skill - there's plenty of that required when playing with a very bad pug in most high end areas.

Avarre

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10 May 2008 at 13:06 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Res Ipsi

Now look who's being silly. I play hockey. Why would a soccer team be interested in my slap shot?

Irrelevant analogy, both play GUILD WARS. The choice of one to not engage in the full part of the game makes them an incomplete player, and doesn't somehow excuse them for not having the skills other players do.

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I await the results of the study you conducted to come to this conclusion.

You cannot possibly be trying to make this point. Please, for the sake of all guru, tell me you are even considering that players from Te, EvIL, WM, iQ, EW, etc are comparable in skill to PvE players.

Quote:

You bring up a good point - experience. PvE players won't be as good in a PvP environment as a diehard PvP'r for the same reason. As for the ability to "think on the fly", which proponents of PvP assume is the great dividing point between PvE and PvP skill - there's plenty of that required when playing with a very bad pug in most high end areas.

PvE does not require tactical thought on the level of PvP. Trying to make that point only shows a lack of experience in upper-tier PvP. At the most, PvE requires an adaptation to your team's situation, but no matter what happens the enemy functions as a constant. The mindless antics of mobs to kill a team are absolutely nothing compared to focused PvP pressure, and functioning micro and macro under that is an entirely different level.

quickmonty

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10 May 2008 at 13:35 - 74

Summing up what I have read here so far:

PvP requires skill. PvE is 'button mashing' against dumb AI.

Therefore, PvP players are soooo much better than PvE scrubs.

Who cares? Does that make you a better person? Will that pay your bills? Is "how fantastic I am at GW" going to make your life better?

Get over it. It's a game. Have fun playing. Too many of you take this all too seriously.

Disclaimer: Not pointing fingers at one side or the other. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Aera Lure

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10 May 2008 at 13:38 - 75

I love both PvE and PvP. The problem I have had with PvP was stated earlier in the thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

Go to H&H and tell people you are rank 1 wanting to learn the PvP game, and then see what happens. Now go to any PvE starting area and start LFG.

I dont take issue with the statement that PvP requires more skill than PvE. It does. PvE on the other hand requires a bit more experience with PvE to learn tendencies and the ways to defeat an area as quickly as possible (assuming no UB and consumables), as well as some knowledge of builds more effective in certain areas etc.

What I do take issue with is try and go into any PvP setting and announce yourself as still learning PvP. Heck, dont even announce it. They'll figure that out soon enough. Take stock of what they then say. Do the same in a PvE setting and see what happens.

You'll notice the difference in attitude. Its even present here in this thread. Even though I'd agree with the statement below, its not stated in a way that leaves unnecessary attitude behind:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Soul Wedding/Tommy are the best monks of all time, better than any PvE monk.

Please prove that wrong.

Now, as with anything, its not always true. My longest running friends on my friends list, some of the nicest people I have ever met, are pure PvPers. Speaking generally here, since we all know people on both sides who dont perpetuate a rift.

Avarre

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10 May 2008 at 13:45 - 76

The difference in attitude is most largely attributed to the competitive aspect of PvP. Restarting in PvE isn't really losing - there's no-one to lose to for the most part. PvE is all about the repetition, and it doesn't mean much. Losing in PvP has a bigger negative connotation, and people don't like to lose to someone else, especially when it's caused by someone playing bad.

Of course among the playerbase, you'll find players who are more easygoing and others who have much less pleasant attitudes, in all areas.

Rocky Raccoon

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10 May 2008 at 13:46 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Soul Wedding/Tommy are the best monks of all time, better than any PvE monk.

Please prove that wrong.

Who really cares? I play because I enjoy the game not to be praised for my "super skill".

RiKio

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10 May 2008 at 14:01 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

PvErs cannot accept the fact that PvP takes more skill, and therefore, call the competitive players "Elitist" to give them a bad image.

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This Devil's Advocate bullshit is annoying. In PvE you're playing against a set environment with set creatures with set skills with predictable reactions and so on. You can predict virtually the entire playing field, and thus be equipped to deal with it as perfectly as possible. You can manage aggro, control it, etc.

In PvP, you can assume that the other team will run balanced or a gimmick. Let's say they run balanced. You can't control their aggro; if they don't enjoy being body blocked by you, they'll simply kill you. It takes much more skill to monk against a warrior quarterknocking the stuffing out of you than to powerheal through a bunch of EotN monster skills inflicting Deep Wound, 120 damage, and Bleeding.

I can play vs. Bots in Starcraft all day to my heart's content. The bots in SC are fairly similar to GW AI - exact same patterns. When I go up against some human player, expecting to play like I do against a bot, I'm going to get thrashed. The same applies to Guild Wars.

PvE is good for the game. You get shiny weapons, silly quests, story, etc. But in no way is PvE even comparably as difficult as PvP. The best players in the best PvE guild will have nothing skill-wise on the best players in the best PvP guild.

Get over it, move on, accept it.

These answer pretty sum up what I think about this topic.

PvE is fighting against dumb, predictable AI. Unless you are in High*coughursan*End PvE, you can even go with a naked wammo and pwn teh m1ghty monstas.

PvP requieres coordination. PvP requieres moar intelligence. PvP is competitive and elitist. Thats why the PvPers have a monster-like image when seen on PvE.

Res Ipsi

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10 May 2008 at 14:17 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Irrelevant analogy, both play GUILD WARS. The choice of one to not engage in the full part of the game makes them an incomplete player, and doesn't somehow excuse them for not having the skills other players do.

A matter of opinion. I can't speak for others who play this game, but my playing PvE exclusively does not make me an "incomplete player". I am good at the style I choose to play - it doesn't automatically mean I'd suck at playing another. I lack experience at PvP, not "skill".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

You cannot possibly be trying to make this point. Please, for the sake of all guru, tell me you are even considering that players from Te, EvIL, WM, iQ, EW, etc are comparable in skill to PvE players.

No, I'm saying that without assessing the abilities of every PvE player out there, your statement that only PvP players are skilled is based on arrogance, not fact. I just find it odd that some PvP players feel the need to belittle the playing abilities of everyone who chooses to play PvE - not because we suck at PvP, but because we prefer a different play style.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

PvE does not require tactical thought on the level of PvP. Trying to make that point only shows a lack of experience in upper-tier PvP. At the most, PvE requires an adaptation to your team's situation, but no matter what happens the enemy functions as a constant. The mindless antics of mobs to kill a team are absolutely nothing compared to focused PvP pressure, and functioning micro and macro under that is an entirely different level.

The mindless antics of PvE mobs is compensated for by their overpowered skills and sheer numbers. We're talking apples and oranges here. Each context (PvE vs. PvP) requires a unique style of playing - that doesn't mean one is inherently superior.

ETA: Lacking a Ph.D. doesn't mean you're stupid, and having one doesn't mean you're smart. That's how I see this whole PvE vs. PvP skill debate.

Taurucis

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I don't play any more.

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10 May 2008 at 14:20 - 80

Judging from a good chunk of the replies on this thread, I think arrogance and attitude is what makes PvE players hate PvP players.

No one wants to play a game so that they can be insulted, harassed, and made fun of by jerks who believe they're superior.

Even though not 100% of PvP players are rude and arrogant, a majority of them are... which is the main turn off for most people trying to start pvp. The "holier-than-thou-because-I-PvP" attitude doesn't help at all.