Imbagon

Or not, because of the inclusion of Anthem of Flame and "Go For The Eyes!", the lack of "For Great Justice!", no mention of req 7 shields, and the note that your allegiance rank should be at least 3. I wish PvXwiki would get things right for once. Ehm... variants, much? You got me on the req 7 and notes, though.

Hey man, its just a simple question, you dont have to answer it or even read it. I'm just trying to get a little help. That's what you get when not following the links helpful people post in your very own thread

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...49&postcount=5

[build prof=Paragon/Warrior][Spear of Lightning]["There's Nothing to Fear!"]["Save Yourselves!"][Focused Anger]["For Great Justice!"][Anthem of weariness][Aggressive Refrain][Signet of Return][/build]

That's the build I use for Imbagon... I use almost exactly the same setup. I just use [spear of fury] instead of [Spear of Lightning] for the extra adrenaline.

I use almost exactly the same setup. I just use [spear of fury] instead of [Spear of Lightning] for the extra adrenaline. I say screw the rez and go for the extra attack!

When you're imbagon, you're basically impervious so there should be no dying. Should death occur (which is unlikely), one of your heros can do the job.

I say screw the rez and go for the extra attack!

When you're imbagon, you're basically impervious so there should be no dying. Should death occur (which is unlikely), one of your heros can do the job. Right, then I'd most likely take [Merciless Spear] or [Vicious Attack] if there's a second paragon spamming GftE!

I would probably avoid "Go for the eyes!" on an Imbagon bar unless you have a particularly high Kurzick/Luxon title. It slows down the rate at which you pump out "Save Yourselves!" and the benefits aren't something to write home about. The extra energy from GftE is useful because SY itself isn't always enough to make up for paragon's worthless 2 pips of energy. You may need the energy if you're spamming TNTF, Spear of lightning, and Spear of Fury. Even if you don't need the energy, its nice to have something to refresh Aggressive Refrain.

The loss of adrenaline is very easy to take care of compared to the energy.

The extra energy from GftE is useful because SY itself isn't always enough to make up for paragon's worthless 2 pips of energy. You may need the energy if you're spamming TNTF, Spear of lightning, and Spear of Fury. Even if you don't need the energy, its nice to have something to refresh Aggressive Refrain.

The loss of adrenaline is very easy to take care of compared to the energy. Energy is quite manageable with just SY. There is no need to mash the attack skills on recharge unless there is a target that absolutely has to die. Also you can always weapon swap if you lack energy for FA/TNTF/FGJ as they recharge.

There is no need to mash the attack skills on recharge unless there is a target that absolutely has to die. Also you can always weapon swap if you lack energy for FA/TNTF/FGJ as they recharge. That's true. But I rather pick off certain targets faster. Now whether or not removing GftE and replace it with another attack will shorten battles, I'm not sure....

I do know that GftE recharges Aggressive refrain so that's my main reason for having it.

Most of the time when I'm short on energy, its at the beginning after casting Aggressive refrain. Don't have energy issues mid/late battle.

That's true. But I rather pick off certain targets faster. Now whether or not removing GftE and replace it with another attack will shorten battles, I'm not sure....

I do know that GftE recharges Aggressive refrain so that's my main reason for having it.

Most of the time when I'm short on energy, its at the beginning after casting Aggressive refrain. Don't have energy issues mid/late battle. At 12 Leadership, "TNtF!" will be enough on it's own to recharge AR and you can use a high energy set in case you need it to get the shout off. In battle, if your running with other paragon heroes, your AR should be constantly refreshed by their shouts.

"GftE!" is really something that will benefit from being on a hero rather than the SY spammer. That additionally killing power it provides isn't spectacular in high-end PvE and is most likely not worth trading a permanent "SY!" for.

I can keep up Aggressive refrain just fine by using TNTF. No need to waste slots on junk skills like Anthem of Flame or Anthem of Weakness. I think the idea behind keeping Anthem of Flame/Weariness on the bar is to keep AR refreshed in between battles. That way, you don't start off -25 energy at the onset of the next battle.

I think the idea behind keeping Anthem of Flame/Weariness on the bar is to keep AR refreshed in between battles. That way, you don't start off -25 energy at the onset of the next battle. You can already do that with TNTF, that's what spura and xDusT II meant. At 12 Leadership you have a 1 second window after it recharge to use TNTF again. If you find that's too small, craft another headpiece with a Superior leadership rune for 15 Leadership to cast AR then switch back to your normal head piece for a larger window.