With ANet separating the skills from PvP and PvE what skills would you like to see changed for the separation? I would like to eventually see the following skills undone from PvP nerfs.
Ritualist
Channeling
Blood Song moved back to communing.
Communing
Displacement reverted back to it’s original form.
Shelter reverted back to it’s original form.
Union reverted back to it’s original form.
Xinrea’s weapon reverted back to it’s original form.
Restoration
No changes needed
Spawning Power
Ritual Lord reverted back to it’s original form.
* Also drop the –50 hp penalty to all spirits for PvE leave it for PvP.
Paragon
Command
GFTE reverted back to it’s original form.
Leadership
Aggressive Refrain reverted back to it’s original form.
Motivation
Change all motivational skills back to their original pre-nerf forms.
Spear
no changes I can think of.
Ranger
Beast Mastery
Edge of Extinction reverted back to it’s original form.
Warrior
Tactics
Increase the duration of all Tactics Stances by at least 5 seconds.
I’m sure others can think of more skills for more classes to be moved back to their original forms however these have been particular to me in general.
NOTE: This is for discussion of skills you would like to see returned for good use in PvE, Not a place to flame PvE players about skill or lack of skill.
PvE skill reversion, what do you want to see?
GloryFox
Vinraith
I'd personally like to see no changes, or possibly a few more nerfs. The last thing Anet needs to be doing is making PvE power creep worse than it already is.
Axel Zinfandel
Revert all the skills that were nerfed or buffed with JUST PvP in mind.
That's ALL they have to do, it's just a matter if they do it right. Any worse would be nerfing PvE, not the skills themselves.
Sometimes, I wish I was in charge of skill balancing :P
That's ALL they have to do, it's just a matter if they do it right. Any worse would be nerfing PvE, not the skills themselves.
Sometimes, I wish I was in charge of skill balancing :P
Stolen Souls
Nerf Ursan before buffing/reverting anything else...IMO
Gift3d
For PvE-
Rodgorts + Mind Blast - reverted
Light of Deliverance - back to 5s recharge / more heal like it used to be
TACTICS -- Watch Yourself reverted so that it's useful, same with Fear Me. Good hero skills really.
For PvP - SHADOW FORM FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. something. anything.
Rodgorts + Mind Blast - reverted
Light of Deliverance - back to 5s recharge / more heal like it used to be
TACTICS -- Watch Yourself reverted so that it's useful, same with Fear Me. Good hero skills really.
For PvP - SHADOW FORM FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. something. anything.
MMSDome
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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
Nerf Ursan before buffing/reverting anything else...IMO
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If they do not nerf ursan now I don't know what the hell they are doing.
ADDED: And really tbh i do not think they need to separate the 2 as we have dealt with it in the past and even with this you will piss people off. Either way in the end people end up angry and separating the two is not a good thing imo.
Cathode_Reborn
I'd like to a see good reason to play a Mes in PvE.
Lady Lozza
I have only just read the massive thread that detailed what Anet was doing. Not sure how I feel about it, but anyway.
I'd like my spirits back on my rit. They are useable in NM but not in HM. I've basically come to play 1 or 2 builds on my rit in HM simply because communing really isn't worth it - which is a pity.
I don't want to see a necro minion buff, and I've never had a problem with the timer for soul reaping in PvE.
There were a couple of changes made to mes skills at some stage I wouldn't mind back - some of the inspiration stuff. Mind you inspiration did get a nice buff at some stage with some changes I think were great.
I'd like my spirits back on my rit. They are useable in NM but not in HM. I've basically come to play 1 or 2 builds on my rit in HM simply because communing really isn't worth it - which is a pity.
I don't want to see a necro minion buff, and I've never had a problem with the timer for soul reaping in PvE.
There were a couple of changes made to mes skills at some stage I wouldn't mind back - some of the inspiration stuff. Mind you inspiration did get a nice buff at some stage with some changes I think were great.
Sleeper Service
not so much as skill reverts but game mechanics reverted.
Spirits trigger SR.
Pets leave corpses.
none of thoses affect me personally but they sure as hell left me feeling very annoyed.
as a side note, SR timer is fine as its is now.
Spirits trigger SR.
Pets leave corpses.
none of thoses affect me personally but they sure as hell left me feeling very annoyed.
as a side note, SR timer is fine as its is now.
I Can Cure Cancer
Imo incoming deserves a good buff after it got hit hard with the nerf bat. Also my ele would love MB + RI reverted. Btw MMSDome I love your avatar he's my fav president.
Carboplatin
bring back paragons so they don't have to rely on pve skills
Musei Karasu
Assassins in general.
madriel222
Bring back "Watch Yourselves," please.
BlueNovember
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Ranger
Beast Mastery Edge of Extinction reverted back to it’s original form. |
Many paragon skills have been destroyed for PVE useage. It's still kind of a moot point though as any pve para is going to be running a bar built around TNTF and SY!.
I see most suggestions are pertaining to buffing skills; anyone keen on reducing a skill's effectiveness in pve?
JeniM
Wait Pvp and PvE will get have different skill effects?
WOW I really hope I can stand more than 1hour a week of grind just to see what change it makes. (I know LB will still be as dull but at lest the 'same' run maybe slightly different)
WOW I really hope I can stand more than 1hour a week of grind just to see what change it makes. (I know LB will still be as dull but at lest the 'same' run maybe slightly different)
GloryFox
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Posted by Stolen Souls Nerf Ursan before buffing/reverting anything else...IMO |
Thank you.
Mr. G
I say change nothing, let this only effect future updates
people have adapted to changes made in the past, changing things back will be like nerfing the new bars that were made due to the old nerfs
people have adapted to changes made in the past, changing things back will be like nerfing the new bars that were made due to the old nerfs
fenix
Hurrrr revert Prot Bond imo hurrrrr
Dumb suggestions. Leave the game as it is, and nerf/buff things WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED.
Dumb suggestions. Leave the game as it is, and nerf/buff things WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED.
FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by JeniM
(I know LB will still be as dull but at lest the 'same' run maybe slightly different)
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Paragon Motivation chants, Splinter Weapon, MB + Rodgort's, Shadow Form PvP nerf (just so that people stop whining more than anything), Light of Deliverance (PLEASE replace Healer's Boon build!).
I dunno, I'm pretty excited about this format of skill updates and I'm just curious to see what round one changes are.
GloryFox
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posted by BlueNovember That was changed for pve reasons; mostly Grawl bombing outside Droks. |
Alex the Great
don't switch bloodsong back! please, that was a buff not a nerf!
communing sucks balls, and channeling/ resto is great.
i got an idea, lets nerf the good rit attribute to the sucky one is a little less sucky, then Channeling is weaker, and communing still sucks.
communing sucks balls, and channeling/ resto is great.
i got an idea, lets nerf the good rit attribute to the sucky one is a little less sucky, then Channeling is weaker, and communing still sucks.
Lyonette
the rogorts + mind blast revert that gift3d mentioned wuld be great to see, that build was super fun 
making paragons skills useful in pve again wuld be cool too [as a few have alrdy said]
reverting ineptitude and mantra of recovery and generally making mesmer moar pve friendly again.
and also reverting pet corpses wuld be nice too.
all that said, i really don't see a massive need to do this. pve is already quite easy with solid hero builds and competent players
making paragons skills useful in pve again wuld be cool too [as a few have alrdy said]
reverting ineptitude and mantra of recovery and generally making mesmer moar pve friendly again.
and also reverting pet corpses wuld be nice too.
all that said, i really don't see a massive need to do this. pve is already quite easy with solid hero builds and competent players
Hyper Cutter
The SR timer gone. Everything after that is just icing on the cake.
VitisVinifera
lots of good stuff here -- nerfs that never made pve sense
I want soul reaping back how it used to be, before Anet created a mess out of it, before which none existed
I want soul reaping back how it used to be, before Anet created a mess out of it, before which none existed
MercenaryKnight
I would prefer the old blood of the master/ no minion cap and stuff. Mainly the no minion cap since if your willing to sacrifice so much health to upkeep as many minions as you want then it shouldn't be so horrible. But most likely won't ever happen.
Mr. G
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Jade
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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
I'd like to a see good reason to play a Mes in PvE.
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As for the skill reversion: Like someone already said, all they have to do is revert all the skills they changed because they imbalanced PvP.
Sleeper Service
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the rogorts + mind blast revert that gift3d mentioned wuld be great to see, that build was super fun
making paragons skills useful in pve again wuld be cool too [as a few have alrdy said] reverting ineptitude and mantra of recovery and generally making mesmer moar pve friendly again. and also reverting pet corpses wuld be nice too. all that said, i really don't see a massive need to do this. pve is already quite easy with solid hero builds and competent players |
just that reverting these skills would bring back some of the old variety into pve again.
Vinraith
I'm amazed there are still people howling for infinite soul reaping in the age of Sab's 3 necro build, when it's more than obvious that necros (and SR in particular) are too powerful even with the timer, and I say that as someone with a necro primary main character.I don't want infinite energy, thank you, an SR reversion would force me to stop playing my favorite character by making the whole damn game so preposterously easy it's no longer with bothering with.
shru
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Actually it came about from people doing EoE Suicide bombs in Alliance Battles.
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But the grawl bombing realy was almost no part of that nerf.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the revert is for skills, not attributes/game mechanics. I highly doubt timerless SR/old MM's will make a comeback given the necro's current state.
fenix
SR won't get changed, dunno why you are all suggesting it. Also, I find it funny that people think Paragon's are useless, when they're probably the most overpowered class in PvE. You guys need to Ursan less, it's making you dumber.
Mesmer in Need
Splinter weapon.
Spirit rift
Ancestor's Rage
Lod
Mystic Regen
Mind blast/Rodgorts
DP Sig
Paras.
Thats it really.
Spirit rift
Ancestor's Rage
Lod
Mystic Regen
Mind blast/Rodgorts
DP Sig
Paras.
Thats it really.
Haskell
I don't think there are any skills that need a buff in PvE.
Sab
Nothing. I'm interested in balance, and PvE is fine as it is.
englitdaudelin
Splinter Weapon for sure.
Shelter and Union.
Energy Surge
Shelter and Union.
Energy Surge
Crom The Pale
I have to admit I would like to see Feral Aggression reverted back to what it was in the pre release of GWEN.
Other than that(maybe some of the war stances though I never used them) I really can't see any reversions being good, they could however do some buffing to skills that are still completely useless.
There are a tonne of Elite Skills that are in desperate need of a buff to make them usable.
Other than that(maybe some of the war stances though I never used them) I really can't see any reversions being good, they could however do some buffing to skills that are still completely useless.
There are a tonne of Elite Skills that are in desperate need of a buff to make them usable.
garethporlest18
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Dumb suggestions. Leave the game as it is, and nerf/buff things WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED.
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And then after a few months, nerf those back and do that to a new selection of skills, cause it won't be any different any other way and it seems more fun that way. But whatever you do keep LoD, spirits, and whatever else the OP asked for to be reverted, nerfed!
Bluefeather
I hope they will remove the cap they put on MM. Or at least make it a 2 minion per level in Death Magic.
(this is for pve, right?)
(this is for pve, right?)
Star Gazer
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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
Nerf Ursan before buffing/reverting anything else...IMO
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1) the holy trinity was FTW!! quick, bring your war, ele, and monk out of the caskets!!
2) playstyles should be what non-ursan people use!
seriously, get out. let people play pve the way they want to, and crawl back to that cave where you belong.
GourangaPizza
I'm more concern about Assassin's skills reversion in PvE. So bored of running Db + Moebius.