A Great Teambuild (you And Your Heroes, If You Are Necro)

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

14 May 2008 at 13:41 - 1

You should be necro, if you don't stay by sabway, because that's fine, but this is better if you are necro. First I let see the builds:

YOU ( THE NECRO ), THE ASSASIN PROMISE NUKER
[NECRO ASSASIN PROMISE NUKER;OAdTY0D7RySoMIRARYBaXMmUAA]

for more info about this build:
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/..._of_Pain_Nuker

2 STUNNING STRIKE PARA (HERO)
[PARA STUNNING STRIKE;OQCjUqmLqOBZhsFO8fhBAub5N]

I RECOMMAND THE OPTIONAL SLOT TO DO [power return] BECAUSE THATS COMBINED FINE!

for more info about this build:
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ing_Strike_PvE

1 ARCANE ZEAL DERVISH HEALER (HERO)
[DERVISH ARCANE ZEAL;OgSjQsqKrOeXDxk4+ifDvg3yL]

for more info about this build:
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build

/N_Arcane_Orders_Dervish

Why it's so great:

The necro does his barbs and mark of pain etc, he can also do assasin support, but the para's will trigger it most with attacks etc. The dervish is for heal, but also for suppot the attacks of the para's.

Try it out!

Master Necromanz!

natural_Causes

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Hall of Monuments

N/

14 May 2008 at 14:24 - 2

I think it would be better if both Paragons had different builds. One with Stunning Strike is good, but maybe give the other [Song of Purification] or [Song of Restoration]

It's A Me

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

N/

14 May 2008 at 14:55 - 3

what causes said, add in hexbreak on one with sor imo. verying the 2 para builds a little will it ake it more effctive imo.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

14 May 2008 at 15:21 - 4

Biggest problem I have the build is, no condition or hex removal, which are important to carry along for physical team. You can depend on Mhenlo or Lina for that, but they dont do that good of a job. Once your Paragons are blinded they become quite useless and there goes the offense from your heroes. Also not enough defense for HM. I suggest trying this build in HM Dalada Uplands.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

14 May 2008 at 15:39 - 5

So basically you "borrowed" Moloch's AP-MoP bomber and two of Racthoth's heroes....

miskav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

Mo/

14 May 2008 at 16:15 - 6

A little of section A... A little of section B...

/lol

Dawn Angelheart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

We Bought Plan C On [Ebay]

W/E

14 May 2008 at 17:32 - 7

Originally Posted by Chthon

So basically you "borrowed" Moloch's AP-MoP bomber and two of Racthoth's heroes.... well he could have done that.
but he might not have known about it.

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2008 at 19:42 - 8

Originally Posted by Chthon

So basically you "borrowed" Moloch's AP-MoP bomber and two of Racthoth's heroes.... He posted the link to where he got the para builds from, and D/N's are sooo old. Existed long before they were posted in the heroes section. PvE'ers are often late to discover old builds, such as the N/Rt healers from spiritway.

As for the build, I also use 2 para heroes most of the time. I've tried setting one to Stunning Strike, but they're not really effective with it. It can be pretty slow to recharge when Dark Fury isn't up (it goes down alot) and they won't always use it on the best targets. You might even see them waste it on noncasters or things that are already about to die.

As a nec, I would add Enfeebling Blood to your bar and drop Anthem of Weariness from theirs. Heroes can't use "GFTE" + Vicious Attack properly, so often the deep wound will never trigger. Like others said, there's no condition removal.

I would get rid of the Orders derv, but that's just me - if you're playing as a phys class yourself, you'll be another party member that benefits from it but the main thing is that as a human player, you'll be able to take better advantage of the +adren from Dark Fury, mainly to spam high-adren stuff like "Save Yourselves" or "Dragon Slash" (if you're playing a war), etc - stuff that heroes can't or couldn't really do.

This is the setup I've been using.....ill just sorta paste it

[skill]Assassin's Promise[/skill][skill]Weaken Armor[/skill][skill]Mark of Pain[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill][skill]Necrosis[/skill][skill]"Finish Him!"[/skill][skill]Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support[/skill] optional

[skill]Song of Restoration[/skill][skill]Aria of Restoration[/skill][skill]Ballad of Restoration[/skill][skill]Signet of Synergy[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Spear of Redemption[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill]

[skill]Song of Restoration[/skill][skill]Aria of Restoration[/skill][skill]Energizing Chorus[/skill][skill]Power Return[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Spear of Redemption[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill]

[skill]Jagged Bones[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Horror[/skill][skill]Animate Vampiric Horror[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Death Nova[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Optional[/skill]

Foul Feast on the MM if I'm expecting lots of conditions. With the Dwayna's Sorrow update, I might replace Prot Spirit on the MM and replace SoR on one of the para's.

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 May 2008 at 15:14 - 9

Nice post, can you give the attributes of the builds you posted then I can try it!

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

15 May 2008 at 15:32 - 10

I don't like SoR. I would at least change one of them for SoP.

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 May 2008 at 15:53 - 11

Moloch do you think this works oke? If I have 1 AP nuker, 1 SoR, 1 SoP and 1 jagged bones??

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 May 2008 at 16:41 - 12

Moloch do you think this works oke? If I have 1 AP nuker, 1 SoR, 1 SoP and 1 jagged bones??

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

15 May 2008 at 17:42 - 13

Of course it works. I do see a tendency for people to overvalue Motivation, though. I'd scrap SoR para altogether and throw in a Command para. SoP is a great skill, keeps party condition-free mostly. SoR is like a strong HP in earshot on 20s recharge, not too bloody good for an elite. Motiv is a line that seems more focused on complementing bad builds with unnecessary energy-buffs than anything else.

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

15 May 2008 at 18:41 - 14

The reason for SoR is to help AI monks with the thing they're worst at dealing with, which is aoe damage. If you're H/H'ing with a class that can't use "Save Yourselves", aoe damage can easily cause plenty of deaths if there's enough of it. Skills that force the monks to scatter are especially dangerous cause it makes them go crazy and stops them from healing for abit.

SoP is a good skill, but I didn't feel it was needed since I wasn't really too worried about conditions. The only 2 conditions that are actually any threat are Blind/Dazed, and both are pretty rare. If it becomes a problem though, Foul Feast/Extinguish can be put on the MM.

Normally I'd run a command + motiv para, but all the Com nerfs made me use it alot less. The only 2 skills I'd spec into it for are "Stand Your Ground" and Anthem of Envy. "SYG" is the one I'm more interested in. Anthem Envy is a good one but I was looking for more defensive/healing skills and there's not much of that in command. Anthem of Weariness is also good but I already have Enfeebling blood so no point in bringing that.

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 May 2008 at 19:37 - 15

so and now plz the attributes an dthe conclusion of wich heroes are the best to take...

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

15 May 2008 at 19:52 - 16

I didn't post the attributes cause I feel they're not really set in stone...I change them abit sometimes

But it's always somethin like.....14-15 spear mastery, 10-12 leadership, 11-13 Motvation. The atts are only slightly different for each para. I use a major rune on both paragons. Sometimes double major only cause it's pve....and if you're doing NM you can easily get away with it.

imo the "best" heroes to take depend on your playstyle and the area of course - you wouldn't use an MM in a corpseless area. I usually bring one anywhere they work though. I like using two para's for the damage/partywide healing, triggering MoP, and they're reliable - energy is never really a problem......might be good to drop Energizing Chorus.

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 May 2008 at 20:13 - 17

But should i take me AP nuker, a SoR or 2xSoR or 1 SoR and 1 SoP or 1 SoR and 1 stunning strike?? btw i think its good if i take MM jagged bones

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2008 at 21:21 - 18

I play SS Necro myself,
Olias is MM
Margrid and Jin are Barrage/Pet Heroes.

And you should have Mark of Pain and Barbs to make this fun.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

15 May 2008 at 23:15 - 19

There is no class that can't use SY if needed. I use Martyr on the MB which means I do not spec in Motivation on a hero Paragon. Other classes do better straight healing than paragons. If you want to trigger Barbs, give your heroes spears. Spear Of Lightning doesn't trigger Barbs.

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

15 May 2008 at 23:56 - 20

Direct straight healing isn't what paragons are really for. Their strength is party-wide heals/buffs. A 12 spec SoR heals for 97hp. When you're in a team of 8 and you add up the total healing, it's massive. The closest things to straight healing that a paragon has are Sig of Synergy and Finale of Restoration (which is insane with multiple paragons/shouters). And they do all this while still putting out nice damage through spear chucking.

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

16 May 2008 at 10:55 - 21

So wich teambuild is really effective if i am Assasin Promise nuker what should i take for my heroes?

кιωι

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

[Doom] recruiting aussie/kiwi/euro for HM, PM

16 May 2008 at 13:10 - 22

A/P nuker
WoH hybrid
Jagged MM
2 monk hench
2 any hench

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

16 May 2008 at 13:20 - 23

lol, i see ur char is ursan OMG

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

16 May 2008 at 15:30 - 24

Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

Direct straight healing isn't what paragons are really for. Their strength is party-wide heals/buffs. A 12 spec SoR heals for 97hp. When you're in a team of 8 and you add up the total healing, it's massive. The closest things to straight healing that a paragon has are Sig of Synergy and Finale of Restoration (which is insane with multiple paragons/shouters). And they do all this while still putting out nice damage through spear chucking. Sorry, I might've put that wrong. What I meant by "straight healing" was the simple "red-bar-goes-up" routine. Protective Was Kaolai heals for approximately the same over 20 seconds and it isn't an elite. Heal Party heals for a lot more over time at a higher energy cost and N heroes can use that a lot if party-wide healing is what you really are after. Plus YOU decide when the healing comes from these spells which isn't the case with SoR. Finale is good though.

"Never Surrender" can heal for 150hp per party member at a cost of 5e with the same recharge as SoR, only in the form of regeneration. Now you might contend that it only affects members below 75%, but normally those are the only ones in need of healing. And again... all these are non-elites. Either way I twist it... I think SoR is poor. If I was running a motiv para I'd use him with SoP and Finale Of Restoration, SoP is spammable too unlike SoR.

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

R/

16 May 2008 at 15:46 - 25

Originally Posted by Master Necromanz

lol, i see ur char is ursan OMG just lost all credability ;P

nice build ::

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

16 May 2008 at 18:15 - 26

Today i have tried this and it works fine, really fine!

A AP nuker (me)

Heroes:

a MM
a Stunning Strike Para
a Blessed light with [power drain] and [leech signet]

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

16 May 2008 at 20:32 - 27

Originally Posted by Master Necromanz

Today i have tried this and it works fine, really fine!

A AP nuker (me)

Heroes:

a MM
a Stunning Strike Para
a Blessed light with [power drain] and [leech signet] I wouldn't use a BLight monk if the para has Aggressive refrain

Good recipe for killing their energy =p I actually wouldn't use it at all though - WoH is just too good to pass up. BLight is more versatile, but for a hero monk they don't know any better - they'll sometimes use it as a normal heal rather than using it in the right situations, like to remove a hex/condition all at once. They'll even use it on full-health allies just to remove a condition

If the Para doesn't have any adren boosters to charge Stunning Strike, you're probably better off with something else - it would just take too long to get it charged and even then it might be used wastefully.

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

17 May 2008 at 08:40 - 28

I need anyone who trigger it so... the para, and oke, I will give him for great justice

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

17 May 2008 at 09:48 - 29

Master Necromanz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

17 May 2008 at 14:15 - 30

Moloch or whatever, what should i be if i take sabway?