An Unusual Trading Experience

poasiods

poasiods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

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So, I was trying to take advantage of this new gold sink called Zaishen Keys. I went over to Kamadan to see if there were any potential buyers, and there was this one guy at the top of the trading list (meaning he put himself up there forever ago) buying them for 5k each.

First, I thought it was little strange that he was still buying them for 5k after having been there for such a long time, but then, I figured some people can actually afford it. I thought he might have been away from the computer, but he wasn't, as a trading window opened up when I asked to trade with him.

I put my Zaishen Key in the window and the guy just sat there without doing anything. I whispered him to confirm he was still buying Zaishen Keys and there was no reponse.

After sitting there for good 30 seconds, all the sudden, my mouse starts freaking out. Basically, it was zoning/popping up and down by itself. It felt like how some old games tend to freak out graphically if some Java program started running in the background. I thought maybe my mouse has a strange angle with the mouse pad but it wasn't and I don't recall my mouse ever doing that. I got suspicious and exited out of the trading window and the mouse fixed itself.

Has anyone else experienced this before? Am I just being paranoid?

Rhaenys

Rhaenys

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Camarillo, CA

Sentinels of the Imperium [LaZy]

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Do you have a wireless mouse? I used to have one and experienced that type of behavior quite frequently.

I doubt the incident was connected to Mr. Kamadan, though.

poasiods

poasiods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

R/

It's wired. I can't seem to recreate what it was doing there now.

kokuou

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by poasiods
It's wired. I can't seem to recreate what it was doing there now.
Optical mouses also have these issues once in a while. I know mine sometimes likes to freak out and put my cursor in the top right corner over the [X] and before I know it, CLICK! >,>

natural_Causes

natural_Causes

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Hall of Monuments

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My mouse does the same thing. Its just how it goes, nothing to worry about

PlasticBlue

PlasticBlue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Middelburg

The Sneezing Dragons

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I don't think there is anyway he can hack you by just opening trade... is there?
And yes, optical mouses like messing with you by making strange movements all of the sudden and then acting normal again.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Yeah, wierd coincidence, nothing more (unless we get repeat confirmation of this story, but I doubt that type of hack could exist).

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

My old laptop has that problem with the touchpad, if you even press the laptop case the wrong way the mouse pointer freaks out.

It's not a problem with Guild Wars, it's probably a hardware issue.

kobey

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

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Its called Psychokinesis. Beware

miskav

miskav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

Mo/

The optical mice freaking out is because of a hair/fiber getting infront of the sensor >_> It sucks.

Brimstonez

Brimstonez

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Earth?

None

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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasticBlue
I don't think there is anyway he can hack you by just opening trade... is there?
And yes, optical mouses like messing with you by making strange movements all of the sudden and then acting normal again.
It is quite possible using a system not that much different to the Diablo 2 LoD trade hacks. I won't explain anymore than that, but I'm sure A.Net would appreciate if you forwarded this information to them.

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

PLAYERS TRADING ITEMS AND GOLD AMONGST OTHER PLAYERS DOES NOT EQUAL GOLD SINK!

Sorry it just annoys me when people call it "omg such a gold sink". No gold is being sank. Only faction.

Tarkin

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

Weird or "very good" chances of trades in top of trading list are afks or someone trying to lure... well... lets forget what type of person he trying to lure ...

Shadowfox1125

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

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If you go to Tolkano in Temple of Balth, people will go up to you and either put up 5k or an Ecto onto the trade screen.. even if you didn't trade your Balth faction for a Z Key.

STALKERS.

A Poet Named Virgil

A Poet Named Virgil

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Poets

Mo/

I think by gold sink he was referring to people who pay money for keys and don't use faction, cough cough.

zamial

zamial

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2006

Usa

TKC

N/

If an optical mouse, this has happened to me on an old mouse pad, it gets shiny from use. To test this grab a clean sheet of white paper, if it stops its your pad. Normally some dish soap, hot water and a vicious scrubbing will fix it, or replace the pad. If you do scub it , for gods sake, let it dry before using it.

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

reminds me of Diablo 2 a few years ago
then guy was clicking ACCEPT for ya ^^

oliverrr1989

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2008

Lore of Mythos [Myth]

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Thats weird I experienced exactly the same thing with my mouse yesterday and it hasn't happened before...Only difference was I wasn't playing GW lol. Anyway, if this IS a hack (which I doubt), I wonder if it has anything to do with the hacks going on atm where the hacker uses all the Z keys...hmm...

Wtf Its A Monk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Michigan

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My guess is that you were using an optical mouse if so then its a normal thing after you have had the mouse for a while the dust can effect it in that way.

Kapral

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

[LOD]

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@Witchblade - Good times, good times :-D

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by poasiods
I thought he might have been away from the computer, but he wasn't, as a trading window opened up when I asked to trade with him.
The trading window always opens up right away for the person initiating the trade. The "Person X wants to trade with you" window shows up on the other end.

Quote:
Originally Posted by A Poet Named Virgil
I think by gold sink he was referring to people who pay money for keys and don't use faction, cough cough.
cough cough, that's not a gold sink either. its a transfer of gold between two players. a gold sink is something that takes the gold out of the economy such as the nine rings game or buying lockpicks for 1500 gold and getting an item out of it that is only worth 400 to the merchant (that takes 1100 out of the economy).

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

as everyone said, purely coincedental and has to do with your mouse.



~LeNa~

xPIMPx

xPIMPx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Uk

Hmmm Defrosted Cat [Poo]

W/A

Everybody stop lying to him, it was me MUAHAHAH @,..,@

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Sometimes a speck of dust gets in the way of an optical mouse.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by poasiods
So, I was trying to take advantage of this new gold sink called Zaishen Keys.

.............The Zaishen keys are not a gold sink in any way shape or form.

A gold sink in guild wars is a NPC that takes a players money for said item. once this is done that money is gone.


what the Zkeys are are players selling to players or a Bfaction for key or reward points for keys.

poasiods

poasiods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

R/

Okay, okay, I misused the term 'gold sink.' Seemed to make sense to me at the moment.

The thing is, I tried to set my mouse straight, thinking it was in a bad angle or anything, but I couldn't seem to fix it by adjusting my mouse's position in any way. My account seems okay and the epic 13k saving I have is still intact. If someone did actually get into my account, they'd probably left it there in pity.

I guess it really could be just my mouse freaking out. I suppose it'd be logically to let this thread die unless someone else experiences something similar to this and posts it here.

El Presidente

El Presidente

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lookout Post #1, Andes Mountains

Custer Was Ganked [7th]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by natural_Causes
My mouse does the same thing. Its just how it goes, nothing to worry about
Same, even when just browsing the net...

take_me

take_me

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

Country Roads [HOME]

Ye, same here. And sometimes when I want to press a link ... the mouse suddenly moves to that cute little X in the upper right corner and closes my window.... has happened in GW as well, lol..

It was definitely your optical mouse.

MrSlayer

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

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Optical Mice don't work on black surfaces as well as on others. I had a mousemat with black stripes on it...if I left the mouse on a stripe by mistake, it would freak out and start whizzing all over the show.

Other than that, no idea ^^

PlasticBlue

PlasticBlue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Middelburg

The Sneezing Dragons

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSlayer
Optical Mice don't work on black surfaces as well as on others. I had a mousemat with black stripes on it...if I left the mouse on a stripe by mistake, it would freak out and start whizzing all over the show.
Black mousemat, optical mouse, no problems. It only freaks on paper ^^
My touchpad on the other hand is a whole other story

Can the person who spoke about the Diablo stuff pm me the details about that hack? Just out of curiosity. Np if you don't feel like it though ^^

Inger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

R/Rt

I like to call this problem a "mouse spaz"

Happens to me all the time, I usually have this happen to me once a week but my optical mouse is a little older so theres bound to be some problems. Its not a big deal in a game like GW unless you're in some really intense PvP. I remember back in my counter strike days the mouse spaz would always seem to happen at the worst times and suddenly I'm dead.

As others have stated above, its simply an optical mouse problem nothing to worry about. Clean off your mouse pad and maybe wipe off the area where the laser is on your mouse and you should be alrite.

Alleji

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Why are you selling keys in Kamadan?

EroChrono

EroChrono

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Netherlands

[WitB]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasticBlue
Black mousemat, optical mouse, no problems. It only freaks on paper ^^
For me it works quite well on paper.
I actually folded a piece of paper around my mouse mat in order to get rid of the weird mouse movements. It doesn't handle strong colour/tone differences well :P

TheRaven

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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Hmmm, someone remind me never to buy an optical mouse. I like my old fashioned ball better I think.

Aussie Boy

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

W/

Wait a sec I had the same thing happen 2 days ago in Temple selling Keys and just put it down to "I need to clean me mouse"
That trade never went ahead as I couldn't control the pointer the guy didn't say nothing either.
I still think it was just my mouse being weird as I have had a few trades after that no problem.
Wired optical mouse if that helps.

Sjeng

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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I'd like to point something out here:

an optical mouse that jump on you sometimes acts as follows: it just "jumps" to a different place on your screen, but YOU CAN STILL CONTROL IT! So if it jumps, you just move it back to where you need it, and that's all.

if your mouse movement was uncontrollable, i.e. even if yuo move the mouse, it moves in different ways, then imo, that's something completely different, and sounds fishy to me. If that was the case, you should report it to Anet.

Can you please be more specific on what your mouse did?

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

i have to agree with Sjeng, i went through ALOT of mice, and got rid of my last 10 because of this problem. i had to work alot in photoshop and a jumpy mouse is bad news when you have to separate pixels from each other...

the mouse would sometimes slide to 1 direction then jump and stop, or would jump to a random location. the most possessed mouse i ever had would slide to one side, then go up a few pixels and would continue its slide, until i would move it manually. as soon as i would move it it would jump and then behave normally again. that one was wireless and it was my last wireless mouse ever lol

my mouse pad has a black writing on it and it is not related to mouse misbehavoir since i have been using an optical mouse for a while now and it doesnt seem to have any problems with the black writing, it only goes crazy when i put it on my glass desk... lol

the only time i couldn't control the mouse when it would start jumping randomly all over my screen for a long period of time was when my father went into my PC from his and i forgot he needed to do it, so i was trying to fight with him over the mouse... then he came in my room and asked wtf..

to OP: do a virus scan and a spyware scan ASAP, it seems like the D2 hack or could be worse

[EDIT] you might wanna chec out this thread as well: http://www.guildwarsguru.org/forum/s...php?t=10288888

there are a big increase in hacked accounts recently.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Agree with Sjeng, if the mouse was jumping or moving slow in one direction then could be dust or something. If the mouse seem to take on a life of its own moving in multiply directions sounds like what I do when I take over people's computer at work, they hate it. I am kind of paranoid so I see shadows moving everywhere. Check to ensure you have remote assistant not check (turned off) unless you use it on a home network. If you use it one a home network ensure you are using strong passwords, firewall, etc...

Why buy Z-Keys there when GtoB has more of a market? If had only opened a trade window with him then it could be explained as AFK since I believe most power traders are afk (wife does it) and gw beep when someone pm's them.

Another reason is because they could be trying to identify who has Z-Keys.

Again I am just paranoid.

Aussie Boy

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

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Well dunno about the Op but mine didn't "jump"
it sort of drifted all over the trade window and sometimes out of it
but moved back into trade window I just had no contol of it.
Guess I could report it as I always screen shot trades But still think it was a mouse problem as I haven't had any more problems.

Mac Sidewinder

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie Boy
Well dunno about the Op but mine didn't "jump"
it sort of drifted all over the trade window and sometimes out of it
but moved back into trade window I just had no contol of it.
Guess I could report it as I always screen shot trades But still think it was a mouse problem as I haven't had any more problems.
Why do you screenshot trades? Do you think anet is going to do anything about you getting taken in a trade? If you get taken then its your own fault. You're the one who clicks accept to finialize the trade. If someone could control your mouse and click accept for you, do you think anet would believe you when you tell them "I didn't click it, he did".

You've got a problem with your mouse, everyone stop being so paranoid.