Ok, this has happened a couple of times, ive got an assassin that when the team dies in Random Arenas, a majority of the people pin the blame on me.
Is there something wrong with being a sin and fighting in PvP or are people just wanting to put the blame on someone? Seriously!!
Ive had a couple tell me its because assassins suck and one person told me that they can kill almost anything. Please Clarify
Assassins in PvP
SuicideLemming
Gift3d
When i get a sin on my team in RA i expect them to wiki the hell out of the class on the other team which opposes the biggest threat. Effective.
Instead, what i usually get when i get a sin on my team in RA is them Double Dragon'ing the nearest opposing wammo. Ineffective.
You can decide which one you are~
Instead, what i usually get when i get a sin on my team in RA is them Double Dragon'ing the nearest opposing wammo. Ineffective.
You can decide which one you are~
Taisayacho
Sins can be either very bad if played badly, as above, or very, very useful and effective if played well. It's like Gifted said, it's all about what you are.
miskav
Sin is one of the classes that requires you to understand which classes/builds post a threat to yourself and your party (And thus take them down).
Most sins, are morrons in RA.
Try to look up some builds etc and see which are effective, and how you could possibly counter them.
Most sins, are morrons in RA.
Try to look up some builds etc and see which are effective, and how you could possibly counter them.
toastgodsupreme
The problem with assassins is that it's VERY easy to screw them up.
Most people see an assassin as some 12 year old who thought "WOW! ASSASSINS ARE AWESOME! NOW I CAN BE LIKE ROGUES IN WoW!"
When in AB, I almost never worry when an assassin comes after me alone (me as a mesmer FC nuker usually). They're like wamo's except minus the armor to support their stupidity.
Rarely have I seen an assassin be truly effective in pvp. But I will say this... when a good assassin does lock on to me, I'm dead before I can react. Most notable are the well built A/D scythe sins.
Most people see an assassin as some 12 year old who thought "WOW! ASSASSINS ARE AWESOME! NOW I CAN BE LIKE ROGUES IN WoW!"
When in AB, I almost never worry when an assassin comes after me alone (me as a mesmer FC nuker usually). They're like wamo's except minus the armor to support their stupidity.
Rarely have I seen an assassin be truly effective in pvp. But I will say this... when a good assassin does lock on to me, I'm dead before I can react. Most notable are the well built A/D scythe sins.
Tyla
'Sin, although 1-2-3'ish can be misunderstood by...the majority of the community. Sad, really, that they use Lead -> Lead Skip -> Dual when they can go Lead Skip -> Dual. And use extremely lol worthy combos.
Usually it's the Monk who gets blamed, but if you overextend from it as alot of professions, you're dead more or less.
And Toast, why would you go FC Nuker over Dom Mesmer in PvP...?
Run an Ele for better results of that junk...
Usually it's the Monk who gets blamed, but if you overextend from it as alot of professions, you're dead more or less.
And Toast, why would you go FC Nuker over Dom Mesmer in PvP...?
Run an Ele for better results of that junk...
SuicideLemming
ive got, at least what I think is a pretty good build, combines using critical defenses and way of perfection with critical strike and moebius strike. Thinking bout changing to a shattering assault and other unblockable skills to increase damage to anyone who blocks. your opionions?
Cosmic Error
It is an ancient tradition in RA to pin the blame of a loss on the first person who dies. Use a self-heal if you care about idiot's opinions, but you can get by with a good monk.
SuicideLemming
I have noticed that most builds have counter builds and when an assassin goes against a counter build they are completely terrible, and it dosnt seem that it just happens to assassins, but for most other professions right?
Itokaru
People seem to think that it takes no skill to play an assassin and they can insta-kill anything or else they're n00bs. Just ignore them...When I RA, I turn off my local and team chat. Helps alot.
MisterMax
The majority of the sins I saw in RA the past few weeks don't carry res sigs, so thats why people lay the blame on them; IMO. Other than that I don't see any other reason apart from just sheer stupidity. I think its just pretty much opinionated and doesn't really happen in any other form of PVP other than RA.
HawkofStorms
There are counters to everybody. Blindness without condition removal will destroy any melee class. Daze will do the same to a caster. You will always run into a build that can beat yours, so don't worry if your build isn't perfect.
Some basic tips for RA:
1) Bring a res signet and use it as soon as somebody dies. Don't wait till the fight is almost over to start ressing somebody.
2) Bring skills to heal yourself and deal with a lot of situations (ie, expect hexes, expect condtions, expect interupts, expect enchantment removal)Bring back ups and counters to the counters. As I said earlier, you can't deal with everything, but try to be prepared. Unlike most game types, you don't have a monk to heal and prot you. Try to be as self sufficient as possible.
3) Kill quickly and kill the right targets. Don't waste time fighting another assassin or a warrior. Focus on the necro casting hexes that make you ineffective. Focus on the monk or ritualist healing the other team. Focus on the guy with the spike build attacking your monk. Knowing what to attack is tricky and takes some time. Generally, somebody (usually somebody with experience) will call out a target before the match. You'll learn which person to take down first with enough time and pratice.
4) Don't run away from the rest of your team. If your healer is halfway accross the map, they can't heal you. Your offensive teammates can't help you kill. Don't chase after people on your own. If there is somebody on the other team running away, let them run away. Instead, stay with your team and focus on the now outnumbered enemy.
Some basic tips for RA:
1) Bring a res signet and use it as soon as somebody dies. Don't wait till the fight is almost over to start ressing somebody.
2) Bring skills to heal yourself and deal with a lot of situations (ie, expect hexes, expect condtions, expect interupts, expect enchantment removal)Bring back ups and counters to the counters. As I said earlier, you can't deal with everything, but try to be prepared. Unlike most game types, you don't have a monk to heal and prot you. Try to be as self sufficient as possible.
3) Kill quickly and kill the right targets. Don't waste time fighting another assassin or a warrior. Focus on the necro casting hexes that make you ineffective. Focus on the monk or ritualist healing the other team. Focus on the guy with the spike build attacking your monk. Knowing what to attack is tricky and takes some time. Generally, somebody (usually somebody with experience) will call out a target before the match. You'll learn which person to take down first with enough time and pratice.
4) Don't run away from the rest of your team. If your healer is halfway accross the map, they can't heal you. Your offensive teammates can't help you kill. Don't chase after people on your own. If there is somebody on the other team running away, let them run away. Instead, stay with your team and focus on the now outnumbered enemy.
AshenX
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Originally Posted by Tyla
'Sin, although 1-2-3'ish can be misunderstood by...the majority of the community. Sad, really, that they use Lead -> Lead Skip -> Dual when they can go Lead Skip -> Dual. And use extremely lol worthy combos.
Usually it's the Monk who gets blamed, but if you overextend from it as alot of professions, you're dead more or less.
And Toast, why would you go FC Nuker over Dom Mesmer in PvP...?
Run an Ele for better results of that junk... Dom mesmers rock but a FC nuker can cap like crazy in AB (which as we all know is a very different type of PVP)
Usually it's the Monk who gets blamed, but if you overextend from it as alot of professions, you're dead more or less.
And Toast, why would you go FC Nuker over Dom Mesmer in PvP...?
Run an Ele for better results of that junk... Dom mesmers rock but a FC nuker can cap like crazy in AB (which as we all know is a very different type of PVP)
snaek
sinspike in ra rocks
some ppl dun understand that sinspikes have cooldown
and their natural attack dmg doesnt do a whole lot
so if i have to choose beetwen kiting to stay alive and not outputtin any pressure dps
-or-
autoattacking between cooldown even when takin dmg and potentially die
i'd choose kiting to stay alive
which usually ends up wit me bein teh last one alive
and ending up bein called a nub
...that is until its 1vs3, and manage to spike them all out 1 by 1 ^____^
some ppl dun understand that sinspikes have cooldown
and their natural attack dmg doesnt do a whole lot
so if i have to choose beetwen kiting to stay alive and not outputtin any pressure dps
-or-
autoattacking between cooldown even when takin dmg and potentially die
i'd choose kiting to stay alive
which usually ends up wit me bein teh last one alive
and ending up bein called a nub
...that is until its 1vs3, and manage to spike them all out 1 by 1 ^____^
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by AshenX
Dom mesmers rock but a FC nuker can cap like crazy in AB (which as we all know is a very different type of PVP)
40/40 sets FTW?
Food
My disclaimer:
I am just saying what my perspective of assassins are, I acknowledge that there are some very, very experienced players out there who love playing sins. So please think twice before you start the flame wars.
Assassins have a horribad image of themselves to other people. The notion that they have put out to the public in the first days of Faction have labeled them the "prime 1-8 players of Guild Wars". Frankly, I'd have to agree. Rarely do I see sins who actually know how to play the game, instead I see too many Shattering Assault Sins/Scythe Sins who know nothing about this game and instead C+Space, expecting to get a kill. Also, the majority of their attitudes are pretty immature (Sorry to all you mature and experienced assassin players), how can they expect us to treat screaming 12 year olds with respect?
Furthermore, as I addressed earlier, about 80% of assassins karate chop 1-5 and expect to get a kill. To all assassins who do this: "Any decent monk can outheal your pityful and predictable 'spikes'". But don't get me wrong, some assassins are ridiculously good at spiking a target, key word: some.
I guess to wrap this up; in order for assassins to get the ethos and respect that they want so bad, they'll have to work very hard to redeem themselves.
I am just saying what my perspective of assassins are, I acknowledge that there are some very, very experienced players out there who love playing sins. So please think twice before you start the flame wars.
Assassins have a horribad image of themselves to other people. The notion that they have put out to the public in the first days of Faction have labeled them the "prime 1-8 players of Guild Wars". Frankly, I'd have to agree. Rarely do I see sins who actually know how to play the game, instead I see too many Shattering Assault Sins/Scythe Sins who know nothing about this game and instead C+Space, expecting to get a kill. Also, the majority of their attitudes are pretty immature (Sorry to all you mature and experienced assassin players), how can they expect us to treat screaming 12 year olds with respect?
Furthermore, as I addressed earlier, about 80% of assassins karate chop 1-5 and expect to get a kill. To all assassins who do this: "Any decent monk can outheal your pityful and predictable 'spikes'". But don't get me wrong, some assassins are ridiculously good at spiking a target, key word: some.
I guess to wrap this up; in order for assassins to get the ethos and respect that they want so bad, they'll have to work very hard to redeem themselves.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by SuicideLemming
ive got, at least what I think is a pretty good build, combines using critical defenses and way of perfection with critical strike and moebius strike. Thinking bout changing to a shattering assault and other unblockable skills to increase damage to anyone who blocks. your opionions?
You're running a silly tank-type build.
Just kite and Restful Breeze or something if you're taking damage.
And Moebius Strike builds are kinda bad in PvP, as target switching is a huge part of being an effective frontliner and Moebius.... doesn't sync well with target switching.
For arenas, Shattering Assault builds cleave through most of the common counters. The chain is unblockable, spammable, with decent power. [[Impale] on the end of a chain here and there lets you kill shit, and [[Assassin's remedy] takes care of blind and the like; the only real worry you face is hexes.
As for assassins in PvP? Meh. Really, they tie with Paragons for easiest class to play. They're hard to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up; and people who suck at 'sins truly suck in general.
Just kite and Restful Breeze or something if you're taking damage.
And Moebius Strike builds are kinda bad in PvP, as target switching is a huge part of being an effective frontliner and Moebius.... doesn't sync well with target switching.
For arenas, Shattering Assault builds cleave through most of the common counters. The chain is unblockable, spammable, with decent power. [[Impale] on the end of a chain here and there lets you kill shit, and [[Assassin's remedy] takes care of blind and the like; the only real worry you face is hexes.
As for assassins in PvP? Meh. Really, they tie with Paragons for easiest class to play. They're hard to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up; and people who suck at 'sins truly suck in general.
K A W A I
It's from one extreme to another. I've meet some of the most sickest sins in pvp and then there are the dumb ones. The fact is that it is a challenge in RA, thats why its called random! As far as other pvp (AB), hats off to the triple sin teams. When done right, it can be devastating.
My point is, a sin is not a slap skill type of character., it takes good timing and an understanding of your weakness. Most think they can kill anything and as we know, that is not the case.
My point is, a sin is not a slap skill type of character., it takes good timing and an understanding of your weakness. Most think they can kill anything and as we know, that is not the case.
Cyb3r
i agree with kawai i started out with my sin when they where released in factions never had much problems with taking down targets in RA/TA/AB (only i play atm and general PVE)
the fact with sins is they're either overpowered (if played very well) or they're a joke if played badly what ya meet in RA/TA/AB sins is mostly the badly one's
however a decent triple sin spike team if played we'll wipes alot of builds
Regards cyb3r
the fact with sins is they're either overpowered (if played very well) or they're a joke if played badly what ya meet in RA/TA/AB sins is mostly the badly one's
however a decent triple sin spike team if played we'll wipes alot of builds
Regards cyb3r
RavagerOfDreams
good sin takes out targets quickly and effectively and kites away when he knows hes in trouble
if your doing this and they still call you a nub then welcome to ra
if your doing this and they still call you a nub then welcome to ra
Red Sand
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Originally Posted by Itokaru
Just ignore them...When I RA, I turn off my local and team chat. Helps alot.
Heh. I should have thought of that. Probably why I don't RA much.
Assassins suffer from the same malady as W/Mo, too many people play them, and play them poorly, so they're easy to blame and real easy to hate.
When you port across and attack a toon 1v1, you aren't doing your team justice. If you overextend, you typically die.
I don't play an assassin, but I play with a couple and fight against them often enough. I think the problem with Sins is the majority of them seem to think that a shadow step and the perfect combo are key to soloing just about anyone. I actually have a post up on my guild forum asking if anyone can tell me why a Sin would try to solo a warrior, especially when the warrior is supported by a full team, including a monk.
I think they just like the idea of taking out a 600 hp warrior with one nice combo. PWND. Too bad it don't always work out for them.
I'd suggest auto attacking one opponent and then cycle through the other opponents until you see a weakened target and then shadow step over and spike that target. That's what works for my Sins in TA and AB.
Despite how it seems to go most of the time, RA is a team sport.
Assassins suffer from the same malady as W/Mo, too many people play them, and play them poorly, so they're easy to blame and real easy to hate.
When you port across and attack a toon 1v1, you aren't doing your team justice. If you overextend, you typically die.
I don't play an assassin, but I play with a couple and fight against them often enough. I think the problem with Sins is the majority of them seem to think that a shadow step and the perfect combo are key to soloing just about anyone. I actually have a post up on my guild forum asking if anyone can tell me why a Sin would try to solo a warrior, especially when the warrior is supported by a full team, including a monk.
I think they just like the idea of taking out a 600 hp warrior with one nice combo. PWND. Too bad it don't always work out for them.
I'd suggest auto attacking one opponent and then cycle through the other opponents until you see a weakened target and then shadow step over and spike that target. That's what works for my Sins in TA and AB.
Despite how it seems to go most of the time, RA is a team sport.
Food
I tryed what Itokaru suggested and suddenly found myself getting 10 consec wins a lot easier now that I'm not flaming the complete idiots and dying while typing.
Accursed
People sterostype assassins because they will. And can.
I'm an assassin myself, but I'd have to agree with most people that the little 5 year olds like to think "YESSS!!! I CAN USE A L337 ASSASSIN JUST LIKE IN WOW!!! ILL PWN ALL!!!", which of course is not true.
If you're going to play the assassin profession make sure you understand what to do and do it correctly.
Also, I usually wait 'till a foe is low on health (in PvP of course
) and use my attack combo to kill them.
I'm an assassin myself, but I'd have to agree with most people that the little 5 year olds like to think "YESSS!!! I CAN USE A L337 ASSASSIN JUST LIKE IN WOW!!! ILL PWN ALL!!!", which of course is not true.
If you're going to play the assassin profession make sure you understand what to do and do it correctly.
Also, I usually wait 'till a foe is low on health (in PvP of course
) and use my attack combo to kill them.
Cosmic Error
Don't bother with defensive skills that much, you're an assassin, the best "get the hell out of there" class in existence. Use a defensive shadowstep like [recall] or [Aura of displacement] to retreat to a safe distance if you're taking too much damage.
Kaleban
I remember a while back, a guy played a sin named W A R P and posted this hilarious video series of him soloing four people in RA/TA after his party had been killed with [skill]Aura of Displacement[/skill] and a few other evasion skills like [skill]Shadow of Haste[/skill].
Its too bad the AoD sin fell out of favor in PvP, its a fun build to run. Not to mention the recharge is less than half of skills like [skill]Shadow Prison[/skill], I might have to start using it again just for giggles.
Its too bad the AoD sin fell out of favor in PvP, its a fun build to run. Not to mention the recharge is less than half of skills like [skill]Shadow Prison[/skill], I might have to start using it again just for giggles.
toastgodsupreme
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Originally Posted by Tyla
'Sin, although 1-2-3'ish can be misunderstood by...the majority of the community. Sad, really, that they use Lead -> Lead Skip -> Dual when they can go Lead Skip -> Dual. And use extremely lol worthy combos.
Usually it's the Monk who gets blamed, but if you overextend from it as alot of professions, you're dead more or less.
And Toast, why would you go FC Nuker over Dom Mesmer in PvP...?
Run an Ele for better results of that junk... Because I still bring diversion on my bar.
Echo'd diversion is fun when I'm waiting for my aoes to finish the shrine mobs. More often than not, people just give up when fighting me.
And I LOVE melee classes in AB. They follow me into my aoes (one of which is eruption). They're great at helping me kill themselves.
Usually it's the Monk who gets blamed, but if you overextend from it as alot of professions, you're dead more or less.
And Toast, why would you go FC Nuker over Dom Mesmer in PvP...?
Run an Ele for better results of that junk... Because I still bring diversion on my bar.
Echo'd diversion is fun when I'm waiting for my aoes to finish the shrine mobs. More often than not, people just give up when fighting me.And I LOVE melee classes in AB. They follow me into my aoes (one of which is eruption). They're great at helping me kill themselves.
toastgodsupreme
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Originally Posted by Kaleban
I remember a while back, a guy played a sin named W A R P and posted this hilarious video series of him soloing four people in RA/TA after his party had been killed with [skill]Aura of Displacement[/skill] and a few other evasion skills like [skill]Shadow of Haste[/skill].
Its too bad the AoD sin fell out of favor in PvP, its a fun build to run. Not to mention the recharge is less than half of skills like [skill]Shadow Prison[/skill], I might have to start using it again just for giggles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9yNZzEJBpg
Its too bad the AoD sin fell out of favor in PvP, its a fun build to run. Not to mention the recharge is less than half of skills like [skill]Shadow Prison[/skill], I might have to start using it again just for giggles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9yNZzEJBpg
Tyla
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Maybe it is a different PvP type, with AI, but it doesn't mean you should run an ugly build over a build that can be runed up.
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People sterostype assassins because they will. And can.
Although I am one who believes that Assassins are sub-par and are weaker than their Warrior counterparts, people are just bad and think because that they get killed by them they suck.
It's also the fact that people don't usually run Monks their and their ganking power is strong. Also people usually run -health runes that make it even easier to kill them.
fireflyry
Sins have always been the most obvious scapegoat, especially in RA.It's been that way since the class was introduced and I doubt it will change any time soon.
Originally Posted by Itokaru
If a team is crap 99% of the time it's the Sin who will bear the brunt first and as in any MMO crap players always need someone to blame other then themselves hence first in the cross hairs is usually the Sin, not the possibly useless back-liners. Then again RA has always been 1% game time, 99% whine about losing or boast about "pwning". Same old same old. Quote: Just ignore them...When I RA, I turn off my local and team chat. Helps alot.
QFT and should be mandatory.Makes RA bearable.
RavagerOfDreams
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people are just bad and htink because that they get killed by them they suck
so true
 although i think most sins enjoy it when people rage it just makes it all worth while
Bobby2
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Shock Axe > Assassin class
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so true
although i think most sins enjoy it when people rage it just makes it all worth while
RavagerOfDreams
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I'm with Tyla, sad but true
Shock Axe > Assassin class NOTHING IN COMMON i hate it when people compare sins and wars for PvP. They are completely different. Sins are just NPC murders/gankers warriors, although i know full well they are better, are for KD raping people. absolutely nothing in common. DarkNecrid
so i heard this was the pve forum, c/d?
Arkantos
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Shock Axe > Assassin class
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so i heard this was the pve forum, c/d?
Campfire has turned into PvErs talking about PvP, with some PvE discussion. So d.
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Shock axe, for the most part, is a pressure build. Most assassin builds are spike builds. Comparing a pressure build to a spike build is retarded, because both are completely different.
^wut he said
Cosmic Error
I don't play assassin or warrior much, but I know that warriors deal mostly pressure damage, and assassins deal large spikes.
Assassins can kill you in seconds, warriors take a bit longer. Assassins use energy, warriors use adrenaline. Assassins are rather easy to kill, warriors can take a beating.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Shock axe, for the most part, is a pressure build. Most assassin builds are spike builds. Comparing a pressure build to a spike build is retarded, because both are completely different.
[skill]eviscerate[/skill][skill]body blow[/skill] = quite horrifying
but let's not have this discussion.... before the thread goes down in flames
Celeborn10
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Assassins can kill you in seconds, warriors take a bit longer.
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A Shock Axe warrior will deal about 300 damage spiking in Frenzy during 3 seconds. However this spike is augmented by being able to be easily switched and have nasty utility with 2 different 3 second knockdowns but is inherently weak to blindness due to adrenaline. They really are two different beasts with different strengths and weaknesses.
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Super Igor
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Arkantos
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