Zkey retention rate
RyXXed
Make it have a retention rate that is tied to PvP titles. I can't think of percentage that would be fair, I'm just giving this idea off the top off my head.
Also, before the PvE trolls come, I'd like to point out Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys. So talking about unfairness on the retention rate is plain dumb.
Also, before the PvE trolls come, I'd like to point out Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys. So talking about unfairness on the retention rate is plain dumb.
Jamster
PvE TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Oh, sorry.
You don't retain any other key in the game, why this one in particular? Zaishen Lockpick maybe?
Oh, sorry.
You don't retain any other key in the game, why this one in particular? Zaishen Lockpick maybe?
RyXXed
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Originally Posted by Jamster
You don't retain any other key in the game, why this one in particular?
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Ghostcell
won't happen, don't want to see it happen either - leave it how it is.
N1ghtstalker
LMAO
you wanna make zkeys even more profitable now?
/notsigned
you wanna make zkeys even more profitable now?
/notsigned
Darkobra
The zaishen chest has exclusive rewards that chests with lockpicks don't get. That will explain the price of it to you. That, and the price shot up with the new title.
So no.
So no.
MirkoTeran
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Originally Posted by RyXXed
I'd like to point out Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys.
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Anyways /notsigned. Its just plain dumb. Before the title everyone was just throwing keys around, now we have 10 threads on how to cheapen the title... gg.
Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
LMAO
you wanna make zkeys even more profitable now? /notsigned |
I Is Special
Also make it so it has the chance of giving 1-5 items every time a key is used because these are SPECIAL keys.
/notsigned
/notsigned
hippo942
/notsigned
as it is a terrible idea and gives more money to people who run sway which is too easy
as it is a terrible idea and gives more money to people who run sway which is too easy
miskav
/notsigned
Prices would go up (Yes they would) And values of stuff dropping would go down even more.
Prices would go up (Yes they would) And values of stuff dropping would go down even more.
Kook~NBK~
/not signed.
It would simply cause all kinds of heartache among the player base. You'd have to have the retention rate tied into each of the different PvP titles and there would be a difference of opinion about which retention rate is "fair" or "unfair."
Example - people working on Gladiator title may look at the retention rates for the Champion title track and think they're not getting a fair deal. Along comes Mr/Miss "Champion" and what do you know? He/She thinks that the Champs are getting the better deal.
Then, if either saw that retention rates were also tied to the Luxon/Kurzick title (which, if this were implemented it would only be right to do so since ABs do award Balthazar faction) they'd all be up-in-arms because those two titles can be gotten through PvP or PvE! And that just brings up the whole "Are ABs really PvP?" crap.
P.S. I've never heard of anyone complaing about the price of lockpicks being the same for people with high lucky rank and low lucky rank, ever.
It would simply cause all kinds of heartache among the player base. You'd have to have the retention rate tied into each of the different PvP titles and there would be a difference of opinion about which retention rate is "fair" or "unfair."
Example - people working on Gladiator title may look at the retention rates for the Champion title track and think they're not getting a fair deal. Along comes Mr/Miss "Champion" and what do you know? He/She thinks that the Champs are getting the better deal.
Then, if either saw that retention rates were also tied to the Luxon/Kurzick title (which, if this were implemented it would only be right to do so since ABs do award Balthazar faction) they'd all be up-in-arms because those two titles can be gotten through PvP or PvE! And that just brings up the whole "Are ABs really PvP?" crap.
P.S. I've never heard of anyone complaing about the price of lockpicks being the same for people with high lucky rank and low lucky rank, ever.
Targuil
/not signed
Why in hell?
Why in hell?
natural_Causes
/notsigned
Keys aren't retained. Lockpicks are
Keys aren't retained. Lockpicks are
Tyla
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Originally Posted by RyXXed
Also, before the PvE trolls come, I'd like to point out Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys. So talking about unfairness on the retention rate is plain dumb.
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/Notsigned.
HawkofStorms
/signed
This is actually a good idea (so long as the percentage is low, like 5%). It keeps Z-chest and the z-title as a somewhat PvP title/thing to do, giving PvP players a slight edge, but allows PvE players to still get the title if they want it.
This is actually a good idea (so long as the percentage is low, like 5%). It keeps Z-chest and the z-title as a somewhat PvP title/thing to do, giving PvP players a slight edge, but allows PvE players to still get the title if they want it.
newbie_of_doom
lol, I kinda saw this coming but I still lol at it. no, no & moar no. Just no, im not bothering to explain
Malice Black
Well GW doesn't have true PvP, but thats another matter
/Bad idea
/Bad idea
EinherjarMx
just /notsigned
/vote for changing the QQ subject, zkeys threads re boring
/vote for changing the QQ subject, zkeys threads re boring
lutz
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Link to official source of false.
Anyways /notsigned. Its just plain dumb. Before the title everyone was just throwing keys around, now we have 10 threads on how to cheapen the title... gg. |
DarkNecrid
wooow.
owned right there.
^5 above poster.
owned right there.
^5 above poster.
MirkoTeran
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Originally Posted by RyXXed
Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys.
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yum
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Reginas 5-th word: mainly. It's good to still see people with reading comprehension here.
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Sparks Dawnbringer
/not signed bad idea
I Can Cure Cancer
/notsigned because I doubt anyone opens the chest to try and make a profit anymore unless they're addicted gamblers or stupid or a mix of both. I believe what you're trying to do OP is to cheapen a title.
Yawgmoth
/signed, not a bad idea
seriously, but the retention chances for even the best players would have to be very low not to cause any ridiculous economic imbalance.
I would base the retention rate on the various PvP titles, in a similar way the max balthazar faction cap is increasing - for every 10k increased faction pool gain +1% z-key retention chance.
This way very few would have the chance above 10%, vast majority of active PvP would have 5% or less (60k fb cap), and I think highest currently ingame would be around 15% (anybody got 170k fb cap or more?)
There could also be a cap at those 15% or even at 10%.
Idea is half decent but still, it's not quite the most elegant way for rewarding PvP'ers. The Z title itself is done wrong, If it was meant mainly for the MAT winners it should award points for purchasing rewards at Tolkano (keys or PvP items). This way high ranks of the title would be quite meaningful - everything must be self gained, but lower ranks would be accessible for anyone, through spending Faction or RPs from Xunlai House.
seriously, but the retention chances for even the best players would have to be very low not to cause any ridiculous economic imbalance.
I would base the retention rate on the various PvP titles, in a similar way the max balthazar faction cap is increasing - for every 10k increased faction pool gain +1% z-key retention chance.
This way very few would have the chance above 10%, vast majority of active PvP would have 5% or less (60k fb cap), and I think highest currently ingame would be around 15% (anybody got 170k fb cap or more?)
There could also be a cap at those 15% or even at 10%.
Idea is half decent but still, it's not quite the most elegant way for rewarding PvP'ers. The Z title itself is done wrong, If it was meant mainly for the MAT winners it should award points for purchasing rewards at Tolkano (keys or PvP items). This way high ranks of the title would be quite meaningful - everything must be self gained, but lower ranks would be accessible for anyone, through spending Faction or RPs from Xunlai House.
lutz
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Reginas 5-th word: mainly. It's good to still see people with reading comprehension here.
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Mainly = designed with mostly PvP in mind, with little care about PvE. I'm not so sure that attempting to act absolutely ignorant is helping your case.
FoxBat
How is selling Zkeys for 8 million+ gold, as a result of demand created by PvErs chasing the title, not aimed at monthly winners?
Mystica
/notsigned for the idea
/signed for giving lutz major cookies cause posting plain links or screenshots without comments to prove a statement somebody doubted = pure ownage. gj!
/signed for giving lutz major cookies cause posting plain links or screenshots without comments to prove a statement somebody doubted = pure ownage. gj!
Cebe
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Originally Posted by RyXXed
Well, possibly because it's worth 4 times more then lockpick, and it would be nice to get some bonus over the hardcore dupers for buying keys...
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If the idea was to be implemented there should be 2 options:
1. Exchange 5000 Balthazar Faction for 1 Zaishen Key
2. Exchange 10000 Balthazar Faction for 1 Zaishen Lockpick
Lockpick starts off with a base of 25% retention rate and raises by 0.0001% for ever tier of the title you go up (just to mirror the stupidity of the title itself)
Though, /notsigned by me. Just leave it how it is.