Zkey retention rate

RyXXed

RyXXed

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

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Make it have a retention rate that is tied to PvP titles. I can't think of percentage that would be fair, I'm just giving this idea off the top off my head.

Also, before the PvE trolls come, I'd like to point out Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys. So talking about unfairness on the retention rate is plain dumb.

Jamster

Jamster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

Avacara Knights

N/Me

PvE TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Oh, sorry.
You don't retain any other key in the game, why this one in particular? Zaishen Lockpick maybe?

RyXXed

RyXXed

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamster
You don't retain any other key in the game, why this one in particular?
Well, possibly because it's worth 4 times more then lockpick, and it would be nice to get some bonus over the hardcore dupers for buying keys...

Ghostcell

Ghostcell

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

=VX9=

N/Mo

won't happen, don't want to see it happen either - leave it how it is.

N1ghtstalker

N1ghtstalker

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Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

LMAO
you wanna make zkeys even more profitable now?
/notsigned

Darkobra

Darkobra

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

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The zaishen chest has exclusive rewards that chests with lockpicks don't get. That will explain the price of it to you. That, and the price shot up with the new title.

So no.

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

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Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RyXXed
I'd like to point out Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys.
Link to official source of false.

Anyways /notsigned. Its just plain dumb. Before the title everyone was just throwing keys around, now we have 10 threads on how to cheapen the title... gg.

Alex the Great

Alex the Great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

America.....got a problem with that?

[Lite]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
LMAO
you wanna make zkeys even more profitable now?
/notsigned
less profitable. people would need to buy less overall, so demand goes down.

I Is Special

I Is Special

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

NJ

To Gain Extra Mobility We Play [NUDE]

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Also make it so it has the chance of giving 1-5 items every time a key is used because these are SPECIAL keys.

/notsigned

hippo942

hippo942

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

England

Yes I do have a guild, Thanks for asking

N/

/notsigned

as it is a terrible idea and gives more money to people who run sway which is too easy

miskav

miskav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

Mo/

/notsigned

Prices would go up (Yes they would) And values of stuff dropping would go down even more.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

/not signed.

It would simply cause all kinds of heartache among the player base. You'd have to have the retention rate tied into each of the different PvP titles and there would be a difference of opinion about which retention rate is "fair" or "unfair."

Example - people working on Gladiator title may look at the retention rates for the Champion title track and think they're not getting a fair deal. Along comes Mr/Miss "Champion" and what do you know? He/She thinks that the Champs are getting the better deal.

Then, if either saw that retention rates were also tied to the Luxon/Kurzick title (which, if this were implemented it would only be right to do so since ABs do award Balthazar faction) they'd all be up-in-arms because those two titles can be gotten through PvP or PvE! And that just brings up the whole "Are ABs really PvP?" crap.

P.S. I've never heard of anyone complaing about the price of lockpicks being the same for people with high lucky rank and low lucky rank, ever.

Targuil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Tampere, Finland

Keep Dreaming [Yawn]

E/

/not signed

Why in hell?

natural_Causes

natural_Causes

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Hall of Monuments

N/

/notsigned

Keys aren't retained. Lockpicks are

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by RyXXed
Also, before the PvE trolls come, I'd like to point out Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys. So talking about unfairness on the retention rate is plain dumb.
Yeah, because a PvP character is going to need elite tomes?

/Notsigned.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

/signed
This is actually a good idea (so long as the percentage is low, like 5%). It keeps Z-chest and the z-title as a somewhat PvP title/thing to do, giving PvP players a slight edge, but allows PvE players to still get the title if they want it.

newbie_of_doom

newbie_of_doom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

WTFPRIVACYDUDE

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W/Mo

lol, I kinda saw this coming but I still lol at it. no, no & moar no. Just no, im not bothering to explain

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Well GW doesn't have true PvP, but thats another matter

/Bad idea

EinherjarMx

EinherjarMx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Mexico

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just /notsigned

/vote for changing the QQ subject, zkeys threads re boring

lutz

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Link to official source of false.

Anyways /notsigned. Its just plain dumb. Before the title everyone was just throwing keys around, now we have 10 threads on how to cheapen the title... gg.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

wooow.

owned right there.

^5 above poster.

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

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Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

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Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RyXXed
Zaishen chest was made for PvP people, not for PvE players that buy keys.
Reginas 5-th word: mainly. It's good to still see people with reading comprehension here.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Reginas 5-th word: mainly. It's good to still see people with reading comprehension here.
Which also means they don't give a sh1t about others who don't participate the MAT. Yeah, reading comprehension is gud.

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

/not signed bad idea

I Can Cure Cancer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Dark Empire [DE]

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/notsigned because I doubt anyone opens the chest to try and make a profit anymore unless they're addicted gamblers or stupid or a mix of both. I believe what you're trying to do OP is to cheapen a title.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

/signed, not a bad idea


seriously, but the retention chances for even the best players would have to be very low not to cause any ridiculous economic imbalance.

I would base the retention rate on the various PvP titles, in a similar way the max balthazar faction cap is increasing - for every 10k increased faction pool gain +1% z-key retention chance.
This way very few would have the chance above 10%, vast majority of active PvP would have 5% or less (60k fb cap), and I think highest currently ingame would be around 15% (anybody got 170k fb cap or more?)
There could also be a cap at those 15% or even at 10%.

Idea is half decent but still, it's not quite the most elegant way for rewarding PvP'ers. The Z title itself is done wrong, If it was meant mainly for the MAT winners it should award points for purchasing rewards at Tolkano (keys or PvP items). This way high ranks of the title would be quite meaningful - everything must be self gained, but lower ranks would be accessible for anyone, through spending Faction or RPs from Xunlai House.

lutz

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Reginas 5-th word: mainly. It's good to still see people with reading comprehension here.
It's good to see people with reading comprehension here, but you certainly don't fall in that category.

Mainly = designed with mostly PvP in mind, with little care about PvE. I'm not so sure that attempting to act absolutely ignorant is helping your case.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

How is selling Zkeys for 8 million+ gold, as a result of demand created by PvErs chasing the title, not aimed at monthly winners?

Mystica

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Germany

[金金金金]

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/notsigned for the idea

/signed for giving lutz major cookies cause posting plain links or screenshots without comments to prove a statement somebody doubted = pure ownage. gj!

Cebe

Cebe

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RyXXed
Well, possibly because it's worth 4 times more then lockpick, and it would be nice to get some bonus over the hardcore dupers for buying keys...
It's worth whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

If the idea was to be implemented there should be 2 options:

1. Exchange 5000 Balthazar Faction for 1 Zaishen Key
2. Exchange 10000 Balthazar Faction for 1 Zaishen Lockpick

Lockpick starts off with a base of 25% retention rate and raises by 0.0001% for ever tier of the title you go up (just to mirror the stupidity of the title itself)

Though, /notsigned by me. Just leave it how it is.