I'm looking for a high performance computer with a mid-end video card and it needs to run very very silent (my current computer is suppose to be silent but I still wake up and ripping the powerplug out of the computer because it stresses me out)
Currently I have this planned:
Motherboard
XFX N790
Processor
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770
Processor cooling
Thermal Take Blue Orb II
Memory
OCZ 4 GB DDR3-1600 Kit
Video card
Either Asus/Gigabyte/MSI 9600GT Silent
Harddisk
2x Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TiB
Diskdrive
Anything that can read DvDs is fine.
Power Supply
Thermaltake Thoughpower 750W
Casing
Enermax Big Chakra (sorry couldn't find anything better that I like, I'm so picky~)
Operating system
Vista x64
And now the dilemma
1. ~
2. Do I really need a x64 operating system to 100% use my 4GB memory?
3. Is the power supply good enough for this configuration? And how does Watt affect performance?
4. Is the power supply and processor cooler silent enough? Or is there anything better? (I kind of don't understand how water cooling works)
5. ~
6. Is this whole configuration possible? >.>
I hope I didn't forget anything important (no, I don't want a damn floppydrive).
Thanks in advance~
A few questions about a computer configuration.
Alexandra-Sweet
izzywish
Well to do my bit, the answer to question 2, is yes, you do need a 64 bit OS to use 4Gb of Mem. My memory is useless so I could be wrong here, but 32 bit can only use 3Gb of mem.
Brianna
Ok, so for starters. This is the motherboard you're looking at? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131274
*1: I think that if you got the Blue Orb onto an Asus Striker II that it would be a very tight fit. I'd recommend a different heat sink that is more elevated.
*2: Yes, you do need a 64 bit OS to use 100% of the RAM in simple terms.
*3: that Power Supply is over-kill for that configuration, so yes it will work.
*4: I'm not sure about how silent those are, but the DBA of a fan is how quiet or loud it is, the lower DBA, the better.
*5: If you are buying the Asus Striker II that I linked above, that has a water-block on the north bridge. You do need water-cooling for that block, and water-cooling is only for the big boys and girls really, mainly for overclocking, so I'd stay away from that for anyone who isn't familiar with it. - Small edit: - in further review to the board, you may not have to use water-cooling on it, but why buy a board capable of doing it without doing it? No point. It will probably get pretty hot without it too.
6: I think the whole configuration is possible, but you might want to avoid it if you have to put a water-cooling system into the north bridge, because if you do that, you might as well put water-blocks on the CPU and GPU too. $$$Expensive$$$
Here is the equivalent of the Asus Striker II: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...pk=EVGA%2b790i It is a 790i nForce as well, it just has a huge heat sink on the north bridge instead, lol.
Also, can you explain why you hate Vista so much? Vista 64 bit > XP 64 bit any day, I really recommend against XP 64 bit.
*1: I think that if you got the Blue Orb onto an Asus Striker II that it would be a very tight fit. I'd recommend a different heat sink that is more elevated.
*2: Yes, you do need a 64 bit OS to use 100% of the RAM in simple terms.
*3: that Power Supply is over-kill for that configuration, so yes it will work.
*4: I'm not sure about how silent those are, but the DBA of a fan is how quiet or loud it is, the lower DBA, the better.
*5: If you are buying the Asus Striker II that I linked above, that has a water-block on the north bridge. You do need water-cooling for that block, and water-cooling is only for the big boys and girls really, mainly for overclocking, so I'd stay away from that for anyone who isn't familiar with it. - Small edit: - in further review to the board, you may not have to use water-cooling on it, but why buy a board capable of doing it without doing it? No point. It will probably get pretty hot without it too.
6: I think the whole configuration is possible, but you might want to avoid it if you have to put a water-cooling system into the north bridge, because if you do that, you might as well put water-blocks on the CPU and GPU too. $$$Expensive$$$
Here is the equivalent of the Asus Striker II: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...pk=EVGA%2b790i It is a 790i nForce as well, it just has a huge heat sink on the north bridge instead, lol.
Also, can you explain why you hate Vista so much? Vista 64 bit > XP 64 bit any day, I really recommend against XP 64 bit.
snaek
have u tried turnin off ur pc at nite? ^__~
i would assume most pc noise would come from the power supply and fans
and possibly hard-drive and cd drive when they r actively reading data
btw, im assuming u've found all these prodcuts online?
links would be nice
(but sowrie, cant answer any of ur specific questions)
i would assume most pc noise would come from the power supply and fans
and possibly hard-drive and cd drive when they r actively reading data
btw, im assuming u've found all these prodcuts online?
links would be nice
(but sowrie, cant answer any of ur specific questions)
Alexandra-Sweet
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131274 I think it's that one, since it's the only one available in The Netherlands, however I think the water cooling is optional because I've already informed at a local store about it.
Vista is slow, power hungry (my laptop lasts less than 2 hours), rather unstable (I have a Vista certified laptop and it freezes when opening 2 programs at the same time) And they completely moved most settings elsewhere which is very annoying.
Microsoft says they have 100 reasons why you should upgrade to Vista.
I have 1000 NOT to upgrade to Vista.
However Vista does have more x64 drivers than XP x64 but what about 2003 x64?
The only links I can provide are sites in Dutch, but I think Newegg should have it all as well.
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Also, can you explain why you hate Vista so much? Vista 64 bit > XP 64 bit any day, I really recommend against XP 64 bit.
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Microsoft says they have 100 reasons why you should upgrade to Vista.
I have 1000 NOT to upgrade to Vista.
However Vista does have more x64 drivers than XP x64 but what about 2003 x64?
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Brianna
Newegg has most parts listed there, if not all. Go on over and search them up.
That is just a laptop, Alexandra. That shouldn't make you dooms-day Vista, me and a lot of other people here run Vista 64 bit just fine, Vista 64 bit is much more supported than XP 64 bit yes.
However 2003 X64, I have no clue. I'm not experienced with that as I have never used it, so someone else will need to fill in on that.
As long as you have 2GB of good RAM, a good video card and processor, Vista should not be a problem at all, what are the specs of your laptop? It also could just be driver-related freezes, who knows.
I definitely recommend Vista 64 bit though.. at first I hated it, but now I realize that I like it and I have no problems with it, I just had a few driver problems at first which were no problem to sort out, it happens.
And I must state, that every new operating system here-on from Windows XP is going to use more resources, and perhaps be more power hungry (new features) you must embrace the future. XP is not going to be used forever, while it is arguable that Vista could use a little bit of improving. But it works fine honestly, or else I would be on my other hard drive with Windows XP on it right now.
That is just a laptop, Alexandra. That shouldn't make you dooms-day Vista, me and a lot of other people here run Vista 64 bit just fine, Vista 64 bit is much more supported than XP 64 bit yes.
However 2003 X64, I have no clue. I'm not experienced with that as I have never used it, so someone else will need to fill in on that.
As long as you have 2GB of good RAM, a good video card and processor, Vista should not be a problem at all, what are the specs of your laptop? It also could just be driver-related freezes, who knows.
I definitely recommend Vista 64 bit though.. at first I hated it, but now I realize that I like it and I have no problems with it, I just had a few driver problems at first which were no problem to sort out, it happens.
And I must state, that every new operating system here-on from Windows XP is going to use more resources, and perhaps be more power hungry (new features) you must embrace the future. XP is not going to be used forever, while it is arguable that Vista could use a little bit of improving. But it works fine honestly, or else I would be on my other hard drive with Windows XP on it right now.
Snograt
In my (very humble) opinion, if you don't get on with Vista64, then just put up with 3-and-a-bit GB. Vista is the only 64bit Windows worth having - XP64 is just nasty.
Windows 2003? Are you a business, or a student getting the most out of DreamSpark?
Windows 2003? Are you a business, or a student getting the most out of DreamSpark?
Alexandra-Sweet
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Windows 2003? Are you a business, or a student getting the most out of DreamSpark?
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And if I can't find it on MSDN I can always use my 80%/90% student discount so that shouldn't be a problem.
Lord Sojar
Use XP 32bit Pro, you will be sorry if you use XP64 bit or Server 03' 64bit. They lack driver support, and are a PAIN in the neck! !@^$)*#%!&@#$
MSFT is being sued because of that "Vista Certified" bullshit they pulled. Use Vista 32/64. With the setup you are proposing, and SP1 on Vista, you should be a ok. It has much better driver support. SP1 also fixed a TON of the slowdown issues and compatibility issues. It also boosted the speed of OS and got rid of a ton of bloated code.
Secondly.... DO NOT go with an Intel Extreme CPU.... That would be, to be frank, dumb. A waste of money, especially when you are putting in such a measly graphics card in comparison. The 9600GT is a great card for midrange setups, but you will bottleneck everything else you have there with that 9600GT.
Thirdly, ASUS has gone down the tubes as far as motherboard makers go. They are using cheaper and cheaper non primary chipsets, and no surprise, they are using antique technology on some areas of their boards (including power regulators near the CPU) Best Mobo manufacturers around now are eVGA, MSI, Abit, Zotac, and XFX. I personally adore eVGA, and that is only product that goes in my PC.
Drop that overpowered worthless CPU (quad core CPUs are not at all worth the money unless you are using a very complex program like the stuff I use at work), upgrade the graphics card, and liquid cool both, or liquid cool the GPU only.
Allow me to show you:
CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036
Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130339
That video card has a combo deal with a Corsair 750W PSU that kicks ass. Rails are high amp, great setup.
Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188025
Great board, Step-Up program, much higher quality than ASUS can ever do.
Memory: (I have no idea why you chose OCZ... ewww...)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148146
Buy 2 of those kits. A bit pricey, but worth every penny (and you saved over 1000 dollars by going with the CPU I listed above)
Tell me if you have any experience with Liquid cooling solutions please. Then I recommend a solution based on your experience.
Any questions for me, I am happy to answer.
MSFT is being sued because of that "Vista Certified" bullshit they pulled. Use Vista 32/64. With the setup you are proposing, and SP1 on Vista, you should be a ok. It has much better driver support. SP1 also fixed a TON of the slowdown issues and compatibility issues. It also boosted the speed of OS and got rid of a ton of bloated code.
Secondly.... DO NOT go with an Intel Extreme CPU.... That would be, to be frank, dumb. A waste of money, especially when you are putting in such a measly graphics card in comparison. The 9600GT is a great card for midrange setups, but you will bottleneck everything else you have there with that 9600GT.
Thirdly, ASUS has gone down the tubes as far as motherboard makers go. They are using cheaper and cheaper non primary chipsets, and no surprise, they are using antique technology on some areas of their boards (including power regulators near the CPU) Best Mobo manufacturers around now are eVGA, MSI, Abit, Zotac, and XFX. I personally adore eVGA, and that is only product that goes in my PC.
Drop that overpowered worthless CPU (quad core CPUs are not at all worth the money unless you are using a very complex program like the stuff I use at work), upgrade the graphics card, and liquid cool both, or liquid cool the GPU only.
Allow me to show you:
CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036
Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130339
That video card has a combo deal with a Corsair 750W PSU that kicks ass. Rails are high amp, great setup.
Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188025
Great board, Step-Up program, much higher quality than ASUS can ever do.
Memory: (I have no idea why you chose OCZ... ewww...)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148146
Buy 2 of those kits. A bit pricey, but worth every penny (and you saved over 1000 dollars by going with the CPU I listed above)
Tell me if you have any experience with Liquid cooling solutions please. Then I recommend a solution based on your experience.
Any questions for me, I am happy to answer.
Cyb3r
Alexandra send me a pm and i'll help ya since i'm from belgium know a couple decent stores in the benelux that might help ya
Alexandra-Sweet
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Secondly.... DO NOT go with an Intel Extreme CPU.... That would be, to be frank, dumb. A waste of money, especially when you are putting in such a measly graphics card in comparison. The 9600GT is a great card for midrange setups, but you will bottleneck everything else you have there with that 9600GT.
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Running 3 games on the background while playing BluRay movies, having an internet browser with +30 tabs open, MSN, downloading stuff, probably burning a cd in the process, running Windows Virtual PC and what not.
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Tell me if you have any experience with Liquid cooling solutions please. Then I recommend a solution based on your experience.
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And for the motherboard you suggested, where I live they apparently never heard of eVGA because they are very rare.
After reading some reviews of the Asus Striker II Extreme I decided to search for something else and the XFX N790 is the closest thing I could find.
Brianna
The XFX 790i is a good version too, also recommended along with EVGA, if you can't find EVGA parts, definitely go with XFX.
And damn that is a lot of multi-tasking that you mention, probably would help to have a Quad Core for that, lol, and a lot of RAM.
And damn that is a lot of multi-tasking that you mention, probably would help to have a Quad Core for that, lol, and a lot of RAM.
Admael
With a QX9770 I doubt Vista could slow it down. But 1600FSB is very easily achieved with any of the 45nm chips. And you don't really need a Extreme series CPU unless you do plan to use that unlocked multiplier (Intel charges you anywhere from 200 to 800 USD for *just* the "Extreme" tag and the unlocked multiplier).
I'd recommend going against XP64 for lack of drivers support.
But in short, get the Antec P182 Case, it's virtually silent, strip all the stock fans and equip them with Zalman F3 120mm, and set the fans to silent. They make no sound or vibration when they're on silent.
Lastly, watercooling kits made by Thermaltake, Corsair, Vantech, CoolIT, and ESPECIALLY Coolermaster are garbage. You'd be off building your own.
Kits made by Swiftech and Zalman are good, and are perfect if you find those blocks to be the ones required to cool your components.
Just remember if you decide to go watercooling, the more components you cool, the bigger rad you'll need, the more fans you'll need, the louder your system.
EDIT: the 750i, 780i, and 790i all experience something known as 'video corruption bug' where artifacts appear on the screen and leads to lockup after using Windows Media Player after awhile. There is currently no known solution or why it happens. There are some lucky boards that do not have this problem, or experiences it less than others.
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=253891 < EVGA
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2178960 < AnandTech
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=65855 < Nvidia Nzone
I'd recommend going against XP64 for lack of drivers support.
But in short, get the Antec P182 Case, it's virtually silent, strip all the stock fans and equip them with Zalman F3 120mm, and set the fans to silent. They make no sound or vibration when they're on silent.
Lastly, watercooling kits made by Thermaltake, Corsair, Vantech, CoolIT, and ESPECIALLY Coolermaster are garbage. You'd be off building your own.
Kits made by Swiftech and Zalman are good, and are perfect if you find those blocks to be the ones required to cool your components.
Just remember if you decide to go watercooling, the more components you cool, the bigger rad you'll need, the more fans you'll need, the louder your system.
EDIT: the 750i, 780i, and 790i all experience something known as 'video corruption bug' where artifacts appear on the screen and leads to lockup after using Windows Media Player after awhile. There is currently no known solution or why it happens. There are some lucky boards that do not have this problem, or experiences it less than others.
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=253891 < EVGA
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2178960 < AnandTech
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=65855 < Nvidia Nzone
Alexandra-Sweet
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And you don't really need a Extreme series CPU unless you do plan to use that unlocked multiplier (Intel charges you anywhere from 200 to 800 USD for *just* the "Extreme" tag and the unlocked multiplier).
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But in short, get the Antec P182 Case, it's virtually silent, strip all the stock fans and equip them with Zalman F3 120mm, and set the fans to silent. They make no sound or vibration when they're on silent.
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EDIT: the 750i, 780i, and 790i all experience something known as 'video corruption bug' where artifacts appear on the screen and leads to lockup after using Windows Media Player after awhile. There is currently no known solution or why it happens. There are some lucky boards that do not have this problem, or experiences it less than others.
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I just use Media Player Classic with a good codec.
Admael
Unlocked multiplier is what you're paying for. If the QX9770 was locked, it'd probably cost 350 USD.
a CPU multiplier is the cpu clock rate:FSB/NB
The QX9770 will be 400x8=3200MHz, since all Intels are QDR (quad data rate), you take the effective clock, 1600, and divide that by 4. and multiply that by 8 to have your clock speed.
Having an unlocked multiplier means you can change the multiplier, obviously, making it easier to overclock from the CPU side, instead of raising the full FSB.
EDIT: I had two 8 series GTX cards fit in my mid-tower. Unless you'll use more than 4 HDs, you should be fine with the P182.
a CPU multiplier is the cpu clock rate:FSB/NB
The QX9770 will be 400x8=3200MHz, since all Intels are QDR (quad data rate), you take the effective clock, 1600, and divide that by 4. and multiply that by 8 to have your clock speed.
Having an unlocked multiplier means you can change the multiplier, obviously, making it easier to overclock from the CPU side, instead of raising the full FSB.
EDIT: I had two 8 series GTX cards fit in my mid-tower. Unless you'll use more than 4 HDs, you should be fine with the P182.
Lord Sojar
Alexandra, because you are wanting a SILENT system, you definentally don't need the Extreme Edition CPU. The 45nm dual cores will be more then enough. You can give it a slight overclock (100-250MHz) and it will scream.
eVGA is probably the best company out there atm. XFX is doing pretty well also. Zotac is also GREAT. I wouldn't touch current ASUS stuff with a 39 1/2 foot pole.
All of the 45nm chips can handle 1600MHz FSB. Don't waste your precious money on the "extreme" CPUs. They are overpriced crap for hardcore gamers that like having e-peen. Total waste of money.
@Admael
Regarding liquid cooling kits. Yes, compared to a good DIY LC job, they fail. However, for beginners, some of the kits are pretty decent. They cool equal to if not slightly better then very high end air cooling. And, best part is, they are quiet.
Thermaltake makes the best kit systems for cooling. One of my older PCs back about 5 years ago had a Bigwater system. It worked very well. Pump went out after about 2.5 years, and I just built a new system using phase change after that. I am currently on high end air cooling, but it isn't quiet by any means of the word. But, I don't care too much, seeing as how I listen to music really really loud anyways.
Also regarding the case issue. While Admael is correct, 2 8 series cards can fit into a midtower, but if you want really good cooling and more room for them to breath, get a full tower ATX case.
Going off your above choice in case, I would recommend this one as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133056
Make sure if you get an armor case, that you get the Armor+ version, or the ESA version (very hard to find)
If you don't want to deal with cooling at all, and want a big case, checkout this deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133171
Personally, the Tai Chi looks odd, but you may very well like it. It also has a decent LC system preinstalled and ready to go. Great case for first time liquid cooling builders. You can always take it out and put in your own system when you feel confident.
Happy shopping!
eVGA is probably the best company out there atm. XFX is doing pretty well also. Zotac is also GREAT. I wouldn't touch current ASUS stuff with a 39 1/2 foot pole.
All of the 45nm chips can handle 1600MHz FSB. Don't waste your precious money on the "extreme" CPUs. They are overpriced crap for hardcore gamers that like having e-peen. Total waste of money.
@Admael
Regarding liquid cooling kits. Yes, compared to a good DIY LC job, they fail. However, for beginners, some of the kits are pretty decent. They cool equal to if not slightly better then very high end air cooling. And, best part is, they are quiet.
Thermaltake makes the best kit systems for cooling. One of my older PCs back about 5 years ago had a Bigwater system. It worked very well. Pump went out after about 2.5 years, and I just built a new system using phase change after that. I am currently on high end air cooling, but it isn't quiet by any means of the word. But, I don't care too much, seeing as how I listen to music really really loud anyways.
Also regarding the case issue. While Admael is correct, 2 8 series cards can fit into a midtower, but if you want really good cooling and more room for them to breath, get a full tower ATX case.
Going off your above choice in case, I would recommend this one as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133056
Make sure if you get an armor case, that you get the Armor+ version, or the ESA version (very hard to find)
If you don't want to deal with cooling at all, and want a big case, checkout this deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133171
Personally, the Tai Chi looks odd, but you may very well like it. It also has a decent LC system preinstalled and ready to go. Great case for first time liquid cooling builders. You can always take it out and put in your own system when you feel confident.
Happy shopping!
Snograt
I like the look of that Tai Chi - hydraulic doors, though? oO
This review made me lol:
This review made me lol:
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Admael
Is it just me or does the tubing on the Tai Chi look incredibly thin?
@ Snograt, no it's not hydraulic doors, thats the rad on the door.
Not even hardcore gamers get the QX series, they're more for technology enthusiast who don't mind paying double the price for 'freedom'.
You can get the same performance for a lower price with a cheaper chip. Because all 45-nm will go to 400 FSB and beyond. I'm not sure about the QX9770 and if it'd go beyond 450, but I've seen a lot of E8500s (dual core Wolfdales) do 495.
If you insist on a quad, go Q9300. They're locked at 333x8, they'll do 400x8 (same as QX9770) easily, and you'll save about a grand in USD.
EDIT: Sorry to push this but... can you blame me? http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...7f37621a1269eb
@ Snograt, no it's not hydraulic doors, thats the rad on the door.
Not even hardcore gamers get the QX series, they're more for technology enthusiast who don't mind paying double the price for 'freedom'.
You can get the same performance for a lower price with a cheaper chip. Because all 45-nm will go to 400 FSB and beyond. I'm not sure about the QX9770 and if it'd go beyond 450, but I've seen a lot of E8500s (dual core Wolfdales) do 495.
If you insist on a quad, go Q9300. They're locked at 333x8, they'll do 400x8 (same as QX9770) easily, and you'll save about a grand in USD.
EDIT: Sorry to push this but... can you blame me? http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...7f37621a1269eb
Snograt
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All aluminum extrusion built chassis
Compact and stylish chassis Better choice for upgrading liquid cooling system Hydraulic side panel opening Tool-free installation Optimize internal space and airflow Relocate-able front control panel (Power, Reset switch, HDD & PWR LED) Removable aluminum motherboard tray Easy Lifting Handles |
Ok, so my QX6700 is for people who don't know any better. So, I didn't know any better, ok?
Hmm, should I clock it, then?
Cyb3r
the extreme series are for people who want the unlocked multiplier which is not possible by the pencill trick like on the AMD cpu's (got to check on the phenom and the newer one's on how to do it)
However if you're going to overclock with the multiplier and the fsb (if you know what you're doing)
I suggest you take atleast watercooling (handless up to 600 - 800 mhz oc depending on the pump and other variables) or liquid freezer aka deep freeze the cpu to under -40°C don't even ask how much it is in fahrenheit cause i wouldn't know (that handles an oc of 1200mhz very nice
And if you start voltmodding the motherboard and replacing other crucial parts (aka then ya need custom memory chips that can handle the oc)
Then you can technically go even higher however don't go to far on deepfreeze technology cause you're cpu will literally implode, same if it get's too hot a cpu never explodes allways implodes!
However if you're going to overclock with the multiplier and the fsb (if you know what you're doing)
I suggest you take atleast watercooling (handless up to 600 - 800 mhz oc depending on the pump and other variables) or liquid freezer aka deep freeze the cpu to under -40°C don't even ask how much it is in fahrenheit cause i wouldn't know (that handles an oc of 1200mhz very nice
And if you start voltmodding the motherboard and replacing other crucial parts (aka then ya need custom memory chips that can handle the oc)
Then you can technically go even higher however don't go to far on deepfreeze technology cause you're cpu will literally implode, same if it get's too hot a cpu never explodes allways implodes!
Snograt
Ok, right there was the beginning and end of my overclocking experience.
Way too scary.
Way too scary.
Admael
Even if you're not part of the 45nm club, Snograt, you're very capable of hitting 1600 FSB on a QX6700.
It's perfectly safe! Change your FSB to 400 and your multiplier to 8. Change your vFSB to 1.3v and your vCore to 1.32v.
If it becomes unstable, increase the vCore in babysteps. Make sure you monitor your temps as well.
It's perfectly safe! Change your FSB to 400 and your multiplier to 8. Change your vFSB to 1.3v and your vCore to 1.32v.
If it becomes unstable, increase the vCore in babysteps. Make sure you monitor your temps as well.
Cyb3r
Like admael said aslong as you take not too huge steps and you got decent cooling snograt you're perfectly safe 
however when you're new to the oc world i suggest ya use an older setup (pc) if ya still got one most of the times i only oc after the 2 to 3 year warranty expires (depends on which one it is and which cooling is in it) for example on my p4 i got watercooling sadly Zalman doesn't make new feet for cpu's for the Resirator 1 series anymore so that's reason 1 i can't hook it up 2 my gpu is hooked up to it (old nvidia 5950 ultra running in a stable oc) and i don't want to spend money for either another Watercooling or another gpu cooler.
However on high end air cooling i personally am fond of the Arctic Cooling Arctic Freezer FX series which are specially for the X2 series of Amd. There's a newer one out but not going to replace untill i buy a new cpu which will only be in a short while
however when you're new to the oc world i suggest ya use an older setup (pc) if ya still got one most of the times i only oc after the 2 to 3 year warranty expires (depends on which one it is and which cooling is in it) for example on my p4 i got watercooling sadly Zalman doesn't make new feet for cpu's for the Resirator 1 series anymore so that's reason 1 i can't hook it up 2 my gpu is hooked up to it (old nvidia 5950 ultra running in a stable oc) and i don't want to spend money for either another Watercooling or another gpu cooler. However on high end air cooling i personally am fond of the Arctic Cooling Arctic Freezer FX series which are specially for the X2 series of Amd. There's a newer one out but not going to replace untill i buy a new cpu which will only be in a short while
Snograt
Hmm, better un-hijack this thread. Again.
Psst - head over here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10291163 for woeful tales of overclocking noobery.
Psst - head over here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10291163 for woeful tales of overclocking noobery.
Cyb3r
yeh we kinda hijacked her/his post but since i'm from the benelux like him/her it's easier to talk you know?
Alexandra-Sweet
I'm not going to over clock anything, I don't even know how to.
And the only dilemma I have left now is whenever to get that QX processor or not, I've tried searching for articles about cons/pros but the processor is so new they didn't do any intensive research about it. (Or I simply used the wrong keywords in Google)
Which Video Card I need to get (needs to be silent~)
And if OCZ is really that bad.
And the only dilemma I have left now is whenever to get that QX processor or not, I've tried searching for articles about cons/pros but the processor is so new they didn't do any intensive research about it. (Or I simply used the wrong keywords in Google)
Which Video Card I need to get (needs to be silent~)
And if OCZ is really that bad.
Snograt
No, don't bother with a QX, especially if you're not going to overclock.
I bought one because I'm a noob and though "expensive - gotta be good, right?"
I don't think OCZ is that bad - this board is full of purists though, and if they say get different, I'd go with that
I bought one because I'm a noob and though "expensive - gotta be good, right?"
I don't think OCZ is that bad - this board is full of purists though, and if they say get different, I'd go with that
Admael
Agreed. If you don't OC anything, then theres absolutely no reason to get QX. I recommend the Q9300, of if it's available in your area, the Q9450.
Most cards are silent. If anything you can use Rivatuner to set fan profiles that will automatically control your fanspeed based on temperature. Since it bothers you so much, stay away from dual slot cards. I recommend the 8800GT.
Most cards are silent. If anything you can use Rivatuner to set fan profiles that will automatically control your fanspeed based on temperature. Since it bothers you so much, stay away from dual slot cards. I recommend the 8800GT.
Brianna
www.techreport.com might have an extensive in-depth review about the processor, that is what they do best. If they don't then they may have reviews of other models.
I should have got the single slot card too, but no turning back now!
I should have got the single slot card too, but no turning back now!
Dark Kal
A CPU comparison chart from Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/p...max-9,369.html
I'm also from Belgium could you sent me your list of stores?
Edit: If you have a Northbridge fan I'd suggest unplugging it's power cable and seeing how noisy your system still is. I recently found out this little fan made a lot (and I mean A LOT) of noise on my system. It was the noisiest component on my system while also being one the most useless components since my Northbridge heatsink hardly gets warm. Why Gigabyte added this feature other than annoying me is beyond me.
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Alexandra send me a pm and i'll help ya since i'm from belgium know a couple decent stores in the benelux that might help ya
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Edit: If you have a Northbridge fan I'd suggest unplugging it's power cable and seeing how noisy your system still is. I recently found out this little fan made a lot (and I mean A LOT) of noise on my system. It was the noisiest component on my system while also being one the most useless components since my Northbridge heatsink hardly gets warm. Why Gigabyte added this feature other than annoying me is beyond me.
Admael
There's none of the newer processors on that list
Dark Kal
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Alexandra-Sweet
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A CPU comparison chart from Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/p...max-9,369.html
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And these are the sites I use for all my computer needs~
http://www.alternate.nl/html/index.html (Dutch)
http://www.oksystems.eu/estore/ (very small Dutch shop)
Cyb3r
well i mostly use www.tones.be as my webshop you can order in the whole benelux but don't know if they have delivery to the whole benelux(doubt it)
great prices and the best support i've had in the past 8 years, started going there after the support i got from the other store i used wasn't up to my liking anymore and the other one sadly closed cause they had alot of good oc and casemod stuff (and that's still one of my passions)
and for the mb don't go with the cheaper boards that have a fan (i ordered a A8N premium (got a deluxe instead -_- (aka the one with the noizy northbridge))
oh and for silent psu's i recommend OCZ GameXstream, silent perfect amperage on it (only needed for sli or other heavy stuff (like dual 10000 rpm WD raptors in raid))
Got one after my silent Aerocool one died and they couldn't get it to replace it But i'm running this one for ages now and it's perfect ^^
For the gpu's yeah either you're going to need to get new fans for them (stock is kinda loud @ 100 % speed, but you need those fans @ 100 % speed when gaming or the gpu tends to go rather hot) or use rivatuner like i do
And for the cpu you don't need the qx extreme series unless you want to OC
The other dual cores off Intel will give enough power to the pc (get a new fan though (i never run on stock coolers for my Cpu's)
great prices and the best support i've had in the past 8 years, started going there after the support i got from the other store i used wasn't up to my liking anymore and the other one sadly closed cause they had alot of good oc and casemod stuff (and that's still one of my passions
)and for the mb don't go with the cheaper boards that have a fan (i ordered a A8N premium (got a deluxe instead -_- (aka the one with the noizy northbridge))
oh and for silent psu's i recommend OCZ GameXstream, silent perfect amperage on it (only needed for sli or other heavy stuff (like dual 10000 rpm WD raptors in raid))
Got one after my silent Aerocool one died and they couldn't get it to replace it
But i'm running this one for ages now and it's perfect ^^For the gpu's yeah either you're going to need to get new fans for them (stock is kinda loud @ 100 % speed, but you need those fans @ 100 % speed when gaming or the gpu tends to go rather hot) or use rivatuner like i do
And for the cpu you don't need the qx extreme series unless you want to OC
The other dual cores off Intel will give enough power to the pc (get a new fan though (i never run on stock coolers for my Cpu's)
zamial
I have a very similar system as the 1 you speced out. But I have the ddr2 version.
That is a "enthusiast" mother board. Meaning designed for overclocking. While most people when they buy a new Porsche will drive the speed limit, but when no one is looking. . .
That being said, If you want silent, I suggest looking into replacing the stock case fans immediately. And use giant/ as big as you can get into the case, heat sinks.
suggestions:
cpu: thermalright IFX-14 and IFX-10.
I also would suggest using the 9800gt instead of the 9600.
At this point it will be case fans, PSU and vid card fans as well as case noise.
Currently there is no silent cooling options for the 9800, and the PSU fans you are basically stuck with. I DO NOT ENCOURAGE CHANGING THE PSU FANS, THERE ARE CAPACITORS INSIDE THAT CAN KILL YOU.
Case fans - this is entirly up to you the lower the db rating the quieter they will be. Do not sac quiet for low airflow.
Case noise - this is a biggie
It is now time to "suck it up, Nancy" if you want looks and pretty it will normally not = quiet.
I use the Antec 180/182 series of cases for these reasons:
They have sound dampening panels.
They have hard drive sound/vibration cushions.
They have more than enough room for expansion.
Rubber feet(less noise)
If possible get the 182 series.
cons of this case:
Its pretty big.
Its heavy and hard to move, only a con if you are moving the tower alot.(for a mobile computer get a laptop)
Currently the only thing that I can hear in my case is the leaf blower, oops I mean the stock vid card fans. I am looking at getting the dual orb(s) for my 8800gt's but we will see.
I also will tell you this, unless you trust your own plumbing skills I would stay away from water cooling. In my experience liquid and electronics do not play nice and it normally only takes 1 malfunction and all that is left is a really expensive, giant paper weight.
That is a "enthusiast" mother board. Meaning designed for overclocking. While most people when they buy a new Porsche will drive the speed limit, but when no one is looking. . .
That being said, If you want silent, I suggest looking into replacing the stock case fans immediately. And use giant/ as big as you can get into the case, heat sinks.
suggestions:
cpu: thermalright IFX-14 and IFX-10.
I also would suggest using the 9800gt instead of the 9600.
At this point it will be case fans, PSU and vid card fans as well as case noise.
Currently there is no silent cooling options for the 9800, and the PSU fans you are basically stuck with. I DO NOT ENCOURAGE CHANGING THE PSU FANS, THERE ARE CAPACITORS INSIDE THAT CAN KILL YOU.
Case fans - this is entirly up to you the lower the db rating the quieter they will be. Do not sac quiet for low airflow.
Case noise - this is a biggie
It is now time to "suck it up, Nancy" if you want looks and pretty it will normally not = quiet.
I use the Antec 180/182 series of cases for these reasons:
They have sound dampening panels.
They have hard drive sound/vibration cushions.
They have more than enough room for expansion.
Rubber feet(less noise)
If possible get the 182 series.
cons of this case:
Its pretty big.
Its heavy and hard to move, only a con if you are moving the tower alot.(for a mobile computer get a laptop)
Currently the only thing that I can hear in my case is the leaf blower, oops I mean the stock vid card fans. I am looking at getting the dual orb(s) for my 8800gt's but we will see.
I also will tell you this, unless you trust your own plumbing skills I would stay away from water cooling. In my experience liquid and electronics do not play nice and it normally only takes 1 malfunction and all that is left is a really expensive, giant paper weight.
Brianna
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*Snipness* Currently there is no silent cooling options for the 9800, and the PSU fans you are basically stuck with. I DO NOT ENCOURAGE CHANGING THE PSU FANS, THERE ARE CAPACITORS INSIDE THAT CAN KILL YOU. *Snipness*
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Soldering Iron works wonders. Saved me a lot of money and I'm still alive.
On note to your post, I have been battling to get my PC quiet for a while, and it just simply boils down to slower fan speeds in my case.. and I believe my 8800GTS is making an incredibly lot of noise, I don't think I can really do anything about that aside from aftermarket cooling anyways..
But I listen to my music loud too, so it never bothers me, and it keeps things from getting too quiet at night.
Lord Sojar
Alexandra, if you want silent, go with a liquid cooling solution. You are going to lose way too much graphical power going with a "silent solution" card. And most of those silent cards die pretty quickly, due to bad heat dissipation. Considering that I engineer the silicon that goes on those chips, I can tell you, they don't enjoy being smothered under a block of copper with no airflow above it or below it. And when silicon gets moody... all hell cometh.
Brianna
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Alexandra, if you want silent, go with a liquid cooling solution. You are going to lose way too much graphical power going with a "silent solution" card. And most of those silent cards die pretty quickly, due to bad heat dissipation. Considering that I engineer the silicon that goes on those chips, I can tell you, they don't enjoy being smothered under a block of copper with no airflow above it or below it. And when silicon gets moody... all hell cometh.
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Alexandra-Sweet
Okay... after thinking a bit more I decided to change some stuff (AGAIN! been doing this for months now)
1. Water cooling.
2. Replace the QX9770 with it's little brother QX9650.
HOWEVER:
When overclocking a CPU does the FSB increase, or the CPU speed, or both?
And can I get the FSB of the QX650 to 1600MHz without turning my computer into a nuclear powerplant?
1. Water cooling.
2. Replace the QX9770 with it's little brother QX9650.
HOWEVER:
When overclocking a CPU does the FSB increase, or the CPU speed, or both?
And can I get the FSB of the QX650 to 1600MHz without turning my computer into a nuclear powerplant?
Dark Kal
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So.. what exactly does that list show? Speed? Performance? Temperature? >.>
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grandpa was with me though.. cause he told me once that the PSU can kill you, but I didn't get much of an in-depth explanation.
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