Heroes and the new Ether Renewal

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

23 May 2008 at 02:47 - 1

Simple question, do Heroes use this skill only when their energy gets low, or will they try to maintain this when possible?

Shaz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS]

23 May 2008 at 04:02 - 2

They use it on recharge, so maintain when possible.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

23 May 2008 at 04:17 - 3

With 16 in Energy storage and a enchanting staff, it only has a downtime of a few seconds, nothing a quick BR couldn't fix. Just did a complete FoW run with 1 monk hero and 1 [Ether renewal] Prot ele. As long as his enchants weren't stripped, he did a superb job.

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

23 May 2008 at 04:43 - 4

Awesome

With this skill, Eles have more broken energy management then Necros and soul reaping!

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

23 May 2008 at 05:47 - 5

Yeah, this is what I had Zhed run with 16 energy storage, 10 prot, rest in smiting

[Zealot's Fire][ether renewal][aura of restoration][protective spirit][spirit bond][Reverse Hex][Reversal of Fortune][Shield Guardian]

It's all about teh spam.

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

23 May 2008 at 09:24 - 6

I was thinking something along the lines of this:

[build prof=E/Rt name="Ether Fire" box Firemagic=12+1+1 EnergyStorage=12+1 RestorationMagic=3][Rodgort's Invocation][Liquid Flame][Teinai's Heat][Glyph Of Elemental Power][Ether Renewal][Aura Of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build]

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

23 May 2008 at 15:51 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightow

Not bad.

Or something like this:

[build prof=E/Mo ene=12 smi=12 pro=3][Reversal of Damage][Reversal of Fortune][Smite Hex][Signet of Mystic Wrath][Zealot's Fire][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Or

[build prof=E/D ene=12 win=10 earthp=8][Dwayna's Touch][Mystic Twister][Mystic Healing][Vow of Piety][Mystic Regeneration][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Or

[build prof=E/N blo=12 ene=12][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Blood Ritual][Blood Renewal][Well of Blood][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Edit: Ok, just found a similar build as the last one in pvxwiki. I guess the good choices for that build is kind of limited.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

23 May 2008 at 16:24 - 8

Yeah, there's really only so much you can do as far as good skill combos. I might just start running this elite on all three of my Ele heroes...

Sab

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

23 May 2008 at 18:21 - 9

Last time I used it, Zealot's Fire causes scattering? Anyway, I'd probably try:

[build prof=E/Mo ene=12+1+1 smi=12][Reversal of Damage][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Draw Conditions][Zealot's Fire][Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Strength of Honor][/build]

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

23 May 2008 at 18:54 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sab

Last time I used it, Zealot's Fire causes scattering?

You're probably right when it's used in HM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sab

Anyway, I'd probably try:

[build prof=E/Mo ene=12+1+1 smi=12][Reversal of Damage][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Draw Conditions][Zealot's Fire][Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Strength of Honor][/build] I just wonder how heroes would use Draw and Smite Condition on the same bar.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

23 May 2008 at 20:10 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightow

I just wonder how heroes would use Draw and Smite Condition on the same bar. Not sure if it matters much either way. I expect Draw would be used more often than Smite due to its shorter recharge.

I have another hero running Martyr/Plague Sending so I didnt spec any condition management on my Ele smiter build.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

23 May 2008 at 20:19 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Not sure if it matters much either way. I expect Draw would be used more often than Smite due to its shorter recharge.

I have another hero running Martyr/Plague Sending so I didnt spec any condition management on my Ele smiter build. I'm just afraid they'd stupidly use draw first on say a front line character and then smite on themselves without any enemies within range.

I usually leave condition removal to the MM.
[Foul feast] + [infuse condition] or [martyr] + [infuse condition]

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

23 May 2008 at 20:23 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightow

I'm just afraid they'd stupidly use draw first on say a front line character and then smite on themselves without any enemies within range. I suspect they would do that, i.e. using Smite Condition just as a condition removal rather than an attack. They would also use Smite Hex on a hexed ally even when no enemies are around.

But that is an issue between the AI and the Smite Condition skill itself, nothing to do with Draw Conditions.

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

23 May 2008 at 21:06 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

[build prof=E/N blo=12 ene=12][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Blood Ritual][Blood Renewal][Well of Blood][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build] I don't see the benefit of Ether Renewal for orders unless it's supposed to make up for the health saccing. I'd rather use a D/N since it heals everyone else as well.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

23 May 2008 at 21:38 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

I don't see the benefit of Ether Renewal for orders unless it's supposed to make up for the health saccing. I'd rather use a D/N since it heals everyone else as well. Suppose to have more self healing, more energy, and BR. Other than that, I dont see any other advantage.

Ether Renewal is a natural to go with an orders team even if the Ele is not running orders.

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

23 May 2008 at 22:46 - 16

[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Ebon Battle Standard of Courage]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Heal Party][Infuse Health][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Resurrection Signet]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Protective Spirit][Spirit Bond][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Resurrection Signet]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Air Attunement][Blinding Flash][Lightning Orb][Lightning Hammer][Deep Freeze][Resurrection Signet]

Gogo ele way.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

23 May 2008 at 23:30 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

24 May 2008 at 00:29 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Personally, I would bring Vengeance as the Res, but that's just me.

Haha, I just slap that on my MM since he's pure evil.

Nice builds though. I'll have to try them out.

Teutonic Paladin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 May 2008 at 05:29 - 19

Been using Ether Renewal to spam Heal Party and Heal Other, never run out of energy, more defense than I ever got out of N/Rt Healers.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

24 May 2008 at 08:01 - 20

Aw man, just when I tried to create the ultimate pure Elementalist hero setup, they give me the best e-management anyone can imagine - passive and overpowered. GO GO MEGAENCHANT LOL +20 ENERGY EACH CAST!

I'm going to totally clear FoW with heroes now.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

24 May 2008 at 10:12 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Air Attunement][Blinding Flash][Lightning Orb][Lightning Hammer][Deep Freeze][Resurrection Signet]
Gogo ele way. Used something like this on the ele hero for Dunes HM.
Instead of DF and rez - it had Heal Party and Heal Other.

The only time Horsy had max/near max energy was when we waited for a minute for him to regain the energy.
My absolutely favourite part was when he cast Hammer - and then used AA and ER afterwards.
It was one of the worst performances I have seen on a hero in ages.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

24 May 2008 at 12:23 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

[build prof=E/Mo ene=12 smi=12 pro=3][Reversal of Damage][Reversal of Fortune][Smite Hex][Signet of Mystic Wrath][Zealot's Fire][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Or

[build prof=E/D ene=12 win=10 earthp=8][Dwayna's Touch][Mystic Twister][Mystic Healing][Vow of Piety][Mystic Regeneration][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Or

[build prof=E/N blo=12 ene=12][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Blood Ritual][Blood Renewal][Well of Blood][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Edit: Ok, just found a similar build as the last one in pvxwiki. I guess the good choices for that build is kind of limited.

And why or?! Run all of them togetha!

Also:

[build prof=E/Rt box energy=12+1+3 rest=12][spirit light][mend body and soul][weapon of warding][protective was kaolai][life][ether renewal][aura of restoration][flesh of my flesh][/build]

should work.

Crassus Praetor

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

England

Jade Reapers [JD]

24 May 2008 at 12:55 - 23

It feels wrong, so wrong.

Heroes seem to cast ER then wait until its downtime to spam their hearts out,
it's not exactly overpowered as they still waste all their energy.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

24 May 2008 at 13:03 - 24

It is overpowered on a human. I tried and could spam heal party all the time 3 minutes. I had 100% health/energy all the time, for like 5 minutes until I got bored.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

24 May 2008 at 16:46 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Igor

And why or?! Run all of them togetha!

Thanks but they were not meant to be all in a team build, they were meant to be individual builds as part of a team. In a team build, you have to make sure all your bases are covered.