Update - Thursday, May 22, 2008

How about - Go go communing!? Spirits still suck, even after the buff to [ritual lord].

Spirits still suck, even after the buff to [ritual lord]. Actually after trying the build below whilst vanquishing the floodplains this morning the only problem I encountered was that the hero wouldnt cast Rit Lord and Boon of C before the spirits. Stupid Razah.

[build prof=N/Rt Name="Splinter Curser" box SoulReaping=8+1 Restorationmagic=2 Curses=12+1+1 Channeling=10][Spiteful Spirit][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Splinter Weapon][Signet Of Lost Souls][Flesh Of My Flesh][/build]

[build prof=N/Mo Name="Dwana's Bomber" box SoulReaping=8+1 Death Magic=12+3+1 Healing Prayers=10][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Blood Of The Master][Death Nova][Dwayna's Sorrow][Infuse Condition][Signet Of Lost Souls][Foul Feast][/build]

[Build prof=Rt Name="Rit Lord" box SpawningPower=12+1 Communing=12+1+1 RestorationMagic=3][Ritual Lord][Boon Of Creation][Union][Shelter][Displacement][Shadowsong][Pure Was Li Ming][Death Pact Signet][/build]

having said that, the fact that Rit Lord isnt maintained is quite annoying and I might replace with a Renewal Prot/Fire hybrid.

I'm still pondering over the fact that [Enfeebling Blood]only works vs physical damage(melee and bow damage ONLY and does NOT stop bonus damage) and quite frankly -1 attributes vs typical 19 attributes(average monster in HM)is of such a great benefit(according to so many peoples out there). Not this again. >.>

Protection against physical damage that strong is...strong?

You have practically completely negated any pressure those enemies do, and the only problem is the casters, which can be sorted out with Broad Head Arrow, Protective Spirit, or even basic anti-caster things.

Although, I don't understand why you have 3 Soul Reaping on the SS, with no Barbs with an MM hero, and don't have Death Nova on an MM hero with all melee animation spells.

[build prof = N/P command=10 blood=12+1+1 soul=8+1]["Incoming!"][Signet Of Return]["Never Surrender!"][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Masochism][No Skill][/build]

Not sure what to put in the last slot yet. How about [weaken armor]?

Whilst it is Curses, it doesn't require much pointage (if i did my math right I think you have enough left over points to raise it to 2 or 3) to cover the recharge and it's pretty cheap. With [masochism] and Soul Reaping you should have enough energy.

Other than that...[well of blood] sticks out for some health regen and perhaps [foul feast] for some condition removal.

Wow.GJ Tyla,asked a ? and best I get is your opinion on things to be done your way. If you can give me a valid reason as of why Enfeebling Blood is bad, do so.

I've given all of the good points about it, and being able to shut down any physical damage is like sex in a pixel box.
To boot, I usually run BHA, PSpirit, Enfeebling Blood as my main defense.

That's 3 skills out of 64 usable, to shut down: Casters, any damage on a single ally and all physical damage to an extent.

Even at a low spec Weaken Armour would work; 5 seconds is more than enough time to make something die. How about [Rip Enchantment]?

No downside, cheap, fast and very short recharge for an enchant removal.
Doesn't even require an investment in curses when you think about it.

BTW, that description is not accurate. It no longer has a health sacrifice.

Ooooo didn't think of [rip enchantment].

That would be pretty nice against those pesky raptors. Wouldn't you want more AoE or party wide enchantment removal for those guys? (Sorry for going off topic)

Edit: Nevermind... [blinding surge]

If you can give me a valid reason as of why Enfeebling Blood is bad, do so.

I've given all of the good points about it, and being able to shut down any physical damage is like sex in a pixel box.
To boot, I usually run BHA, PSpirit, Enfeebling Blood as my main defense.

That's 3 skills out of 64 usable, to shut down: Casters, any damage on a single ally and all physical damage to an extent. Well your good points are good.But a Warrior class needing Enfeebling Blood is a BAD thing.Once again warriors don't need physical protection.It's built into their class.Plain and simple.This was my argument in the warrior forums,but was told that NOT reducing the already reduced physical damage was being a troll.Go figure.

If a person is playing a warrior,then physical damage is the least of your worries.However Curses,Conditions,and Spells should be of major concern.Which Enfeebling blood does not take care of.A typical warrior runs 116+ AL.That number can be GREATLY increased to even further reduce physical damage.

So having your curse necro further reduce physical damage seems a tad (insert your fave somewhat insultish comment here).At a base 116 the damage modifier they get is .379.Non negotiable on that number.And ANY bonuses to physical damage reduction simply lowers that number.Once again non negotiable.

Why is Enfeebling Blood so bad?It isn't UNLESS you are a warrior at which time it is TERRIBLE.

Once again you need to understand a Warrior's ability to deal with physical damage is far greater than you give it credit.

And lowering a HM monsters skills from 19 to 18 is not the great boost you claim it to be.Enfeebling Blood IS NOT the godly skill as it is made out to be.

Ok you say 66% reduction sucks right?That reduction WILL NOT AFFECT spells,or bonus damage.So monster A hit's with an axe.It gets 6-28 damage on that swing.For sake of argument it gets 17 points.You reduce 66% of that.You eat 5.78 damage,but it was Executioners Strike he hit with.So you eat the additional 48 points of damage for a grand total of 53.78 instead of a max 76 points.If that monster averages out in HM you eat 53.78 damage per hit.And YOU DID NO DAMAGE to it.Enfeebling Blood does no damage.

Is there a better curse to throw on it instead of being defensive?Well you tell me.

Well your good points are good.But a Warrior class needing Enfeebling Blood is a BAD thing.Once again warriors don't need physical protection.It's built into their class.Plain and simple.This was my argument in the warrior forums,but was told that NOT reducing the already reduced physical damage was being a troll.Go figure.

If a person is playing a warrior,then physical damage is the least of your worries.However Curses,Conditions,and Spells should be of major concern.Which Enfeebling blood does not take care of.A typical warrior runs 116+ AL.That number can be GREATLY increased to even further reduce physical damage.

So having your curse necro further reduce physical damage seems a tad (insert your fave somewhat insultish comment here).At a base 116 the damage modifier they get is .379.Non negotiable on that number.And ANY bonuses to physical damage reduction simply lowers that number.Once again non negotiable.

Why is Enfeebling Blood so bad?It isn't UNLESS you are a warrior at which time it is TERRIBLE.

Once again you need to understand a Warrior's ability to deal with physical damage is far greater than you give it credit.

And lowering a HM monsters skills from 19 to 18 is not the great boost you claim it to be.Enfeebling Blood IS NOT the godly skill as it is made out to be.

Ok you say 66% reduction sucks right?That reduction WILL NOT AFFECT spells,or bonus damage.So monster A hit's with an axe.It gets 6-28 damage on that swing.For sake of argument it gets 17 points.You reduce 66% of that.You eat 5.78 damage,but it was Executioners Strike he hit with.So you eat the additional 48 points of damage for a grand total of 53.78 instead of a max 76 points.If that monster averages out in HM you eat 53.78 damage per hit.And YOU DID NO DAMAGE to it.Enfeebling Blood does no damage.

Is there a better curse to throw on it instead of being defensive?Well you tell me. Being alive to kill shit sounds pretty offensive to me. Having monks have free energy to cleam damage impairing hexes/conditions sounds offensive too.

HM monsters do way more than 6-28 damage. In fact, their base damage overshaddows any bonus damage: not every hit has bonus damage, and nomal hits hit for 50+ (remeber, about 2/3 of classic shock warrior output is base damage. Mobs + damage skills are usually way worse, i guess em to be usually 1/4 to 1/5 of damage being bonus damage).

Even if you add bonus damage to equation, enfeebling still saves you ~50% total damage. Whoa. Thats right. Enfeebling blood is effectivelly equivalent to super cheap no recharge Aegis. Even as warrior when your 50s are turned to 22s by your innate armor, having stream of them turn to freaking 7s is priceless. every 8 hits on warrior (and 4 on caster) you save your healers 5 energry on red bar go up spell. Things get hit a lot more often than that per one cast of enfeebling. That saved energy can be used to keep party clean of conditions and hexes that hinder damage output. In fact increase damage output.

Anothe fact is that caster mobs are smart: they wand stuff while humans usually just stand around looking pretty when not casting, Its 30 per hit. Enfeebling works on that making it 10 per hit, alomst NM. It makes all the difference between being wandspiked and not. Wands do not make physical damage btw, and ignoring them is ... well ... ignorant.

And we didn't cover the fact that warriror is unlikely to be the only one to receive aggro ... unless you play tankway, but them its GG.