The *Rare* Weapons Market "Crash" - When?

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Siadena
Siadena
Wilds Pathfinder
#1
I think it's just a matter of time moreso then it is a matter of whether or not it's going to happen. I won't go into how disappointed everyone was when we all discovered the most rare and perfect weapons in game won't mean/unlock jack in GW2. Those beautiful dual negative dmg sheilds, Q7-8 crystalines, +12-15% dmg always swords/axes, etc. Big pooch screw on that one on them not being able to be somehow kept/recognized, oh well I guess.....

So, lots of people are beginning to slow down their game play and sell their rare weapons to deck out their HOM's with what will mean/do something in the next chapter.
GW2 is roughly what, a year+ away? Prices are always dropping on everything you still can get to drop, but I'm talking about the rarest of the rares - and nerfs that still fetch big coin when they change hands. One day I'm expecting the nerfed items I have left to be worth almost zilch.
So I guess I have a couple questions for discussion:

1. "When" will the bottom really fall out of rare weapons in your opinion? What time frame or happening will put them finally over the edge (like the announcement of the GW2 release date maybe?)

2. Do you think nerfed weapons with value will hold a moderately strong value since ANet announced GW1 servers WOULD NOT be shut down upon the release of GW2? Will there still be a moderate number of GW1 players?

I know this is a tough thing to predict, and it will happen, it's just tough to guess "when."
Kerwyn Nasilan
Kerwyn Nasilan
Forge Runner
#2
It crashed with release or EotN and Z chest kkthxbye
TheSackMaster
TheSackMaster
Krytan Explorer
#3
Most "Rare" items crashed when EoTn and Z chest came out, like Kerwyn said, but the "Super rare" items like the R8 crystallines and the Unconditional's will never drop in price imo because there will always be some collector searching for said item. Also, most people with these items know that they will mean S@#t when Gw 2 comes out
Mister_Smiley
Mister_Smiley
Wilds Pathfinder
#4
Well there is also that factor that they are going to be adding in new weapons to the Hall, so till we find out what they are, we will just have to wait.

1)won't happen

2)yes
Curbsplitter
Curbsplitter
Ascalonian Squire
#5
I will always keep my Q8. I regret selling my Kunnavang, i won't make the same mistake with my sword.
I MP I
I MP I
Hustler
#6
Most stuff in this game is pretty worthless already. Only unconditional damage weapons will retain any sort of value. Even if you can afford one good luck getting one as most are on inactive accounts and/or customized. I'll be salvaging my crystallines when GW2 comes out.


As for whether GW1 will retain a moderate amount of it's player base, I highly doubt it. Very few people stick around for games that have little replay value after a new and entirely different version of the game has been put out. Right now you can grind for some titles do some pvp before you purchase GW2 which is pretty much the only replay value it offers. After GW2 comes out, there won't really be much to do for those who have already gotten their fill of GW1 except to move on. People that are left playing with all the ultra rare, expensive, vanity weapons won't be able to sell them since the wealthy crowd will likely have moved on with no intention of coming back.


Take it how you will, this is what I predict will happen.
Shayne Hawke
Shayne Hawke
Departed from Tyria
#7
The only "rare" items that are worth keeping IMO are +15% unconditional items. Nothing else of that "status" makes it through to GW2 in any way, shape, or form, so GG on getting nowhere.

1. I never cared for the market, because it immediately became something that I couldn't jump into with my gaming style after the game had been out for +6 months.

2. When GW2 comes out, very little about GW will matter to me. The only thing I'll be worried about is something happening in GW that makes a reward in GW2 simpler. "Rare" weapons won't be a part of that, ever.
Dallcingi
Dallcingi
Desert Nomad
#8
1. Rare weapons will be worth nothing when everyone moves on to GW2 or just stops playing. No one would want them anymore ...

2. Do you think nerfed weapons with value will hold a moderately strong value since ANet announced GW1 servers WOULD NOT be shut down upon the release of GW2?
They will "hold value" (cause they will never drop of course) but no one would want them cause there is no use, the player base will be diminishing and it will be pointless to have those items. Everyone would be in GW2 or gone. GW1 will be a ghost game after at least a year since GW2 is released IMO. The only reason anyone would play GW1 is for HoM or if Anet adds more content for GW1 that will reap benefits for GW2... but I doubt that will happen cause why focus on a dead horse huh?
fenix
fenix
Major-General Awesome
#9
Inscriptions broke the market. Being able to get PERFECT modded weapons as regular drops (I mean like 15^50 etc) and being able to change the damage mods from AWFUL to perfect as easily as you can, made it pointless to buy NON-inscribable items, so the prices dropped heaps as no one would pay the normal market prices.
T
Teh [prefession]-zorz
Jungle Guide
#10
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Originally Posted by fenix
Inscriptions broke the market. Being able to get PERFECT modded weapons as regular drops (I mean like 15^50 etc) and being able to change the damage mods from AWFUL to perfect as easily as you can, made it pointless to buy NON-inscribable items, so the prices dropped heaps as no one would pay the normal market prices.
Agreed, i dont really think there was any need for that.
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fog_of_redoubt
Lion's Arch Merchant
#11
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Originally Posted by Siadena
I think it's just a matter of time moreso then it is a matter of whether or not it's going to happen. I won't go into how disappointed everyone was when we all discovered the most rare and perfect weapons in game won't mean/unlock jack in GW2.
Wow, you are kidding right? There will be NO carry over to GW2 of anything that you can "USE" in game... no weapons, no armor, no titles (ie, wisdom, lucky, etc), nothing... You most likely will have a version of your GW1 HoM you can bring people in to see... Nothing more

There has always been a strategy of no one having an advantage over another. Someone can start GW2, and be on a lvl playing field with a 4 year GW1 player with MAX titles, and a full hall. If not, they would deter new players from buying GW2, so do they cater to your ego, or to the wallet of the new player?
Empraim Wainwright
Empraim Wainwright
Ascalonian Squire
#12
When inscriptions was introduced in GW:N, a lot of items lost their value.
Then came GW:EN and the Zaishen chest...

...I'd say the market have crashed a long time ago.
Nothing is really worth 100K+ anymore, since every one knows GW1 is ending, the only "real" value in game atm is to fill the HoM and get ready for GW2.
...I'd get rid of anything I could get a ton of gold for, so I could fill my HoM.
I
I Conjure Ho I
Frost Gate Guardian
#13
no doubt the weapons market will crash. i don't know it would be interesting to come back in a year and half and see what happened.
kerpall
kerpall
Wilds Pathfinder
#14
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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
Wow, you are kidding right? There will be NO carry over to GW2 of anything that you can "USE" in game... no weapons, no armor, no titles (ie, wisdom, lucky, etc), nothing... You most likely will have a version of your GW1 HoM you can bring people in to see... Nothing more
You havnt kept up with reports have you (O.o).

There will be wearable titles from you gw1 HoM for your gw2 character. As for "bonus" visuals that will give no significant benefit, other than that you are "veteran". These visuals have not been released (unless i just missed them), but i would imagine emotes, minipets, maybe even a useless "mount" that does nothing for you. Or it could give you simply a maxed weapon skin, that is customised. If maxed weapons are as rare in gw2 as gw1, we will have a super huge advantage to start with O.O (i'm actually being sarcastic).
RavagerOfDreams
RavagerOfDreams
Desert Nomad
#15
inscriptions were baed

ursan was also terribaed

dunno the zchest was ok bad but not horrible coulda been worse tbh
Hyper Cutter
Hyper Cutter
Desert Nomad
#16
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Originally Posted by Empraim Wainwright
When inscriptions was introduced in GW:N, a lot of items lost their value.
Then came GW:EN and the Zaishen chest...
I'm pretty sure it was Hard Mode that started it, by opening up lots of new farming spots and so on...
R
Red Sonya
Desert Nomad
#17
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As for whether GW1 will retain a moderate amount of it's player base, I highly doubt it. Very few people stick around for games that have little replay value after a new and entirely different version of the game has been put out.
Wrong, Everquest origional has and has maintained a larger (double) population than the EQ2 they came out with just a few years ago. EQ2 didn't cater to the population that was already playing EQ, and that wasn't its purpose anyway. It was suppose to bring back the 1 1/2 million people that bought the origional EQ and QUIT, and it did bring back around 250,000 last i checked, but, this figure was dwindling as well. So, not all sequels destroy the origional, but, in the case of GW since their focus is the SAME to a degree with MORE GRIND and stuff like a regular mmorpg you'll probably see many people exodus from GW to try it out at least. GW2's survival depends on how much grind it has and how much character evolving it has and how much loot evolving it has and how much content it delivers that is fun to repeat playing against. The HOM sort of makes me think it's not going to evolve as much as it should and I think that's going to turn off a lot of perspective buyers they are counting on. We've already played the 20 level max and 15^50 max and vanity game, it's time for a bit more than that in GW2.
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-rightuos-
Frost Gate Guardian
#18
I think prices will start dropping once Beta testing of GW2 starts. Then after time they will increase again.

1. If its as everyone here predicts...that nobody will be playing the game then I have to beg to differ there will be a few, and that few will not be churning out the rares that the masses are now.

2.To assume that nobody would be playing is naive in itself. People have younger siblings and children I'm sure that will be inheriting the game no longer played. Another point I would add is Diablo 2... Still servers 8 years later.( and to a game I might add that can be played offline )

Everyones assumption that the game is going to die is just wrong. Maybe in their view its dead but others will be there playing it.

the uber rares you speak of can only go up in value til the day Anet announces its closing the servers on GW which I dont think will happen anytime soon.
FireFox
FireFox
Krytan Explorer
#19
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
inscriptions were baed

ursan was also terribaed

dunno the zchest was ok bad but not horrible coulda been worse tbh
indubitabilibilibilibly

Also, increase gold drops with factions was bad too.
r
ruffenredie
Academy Page
#20
Rightuos is right, to simply assume that everyone will stop playing GW just because GW2 is out is naive. Not everyone plays online games in the same way or for the same goals.

Add to that the fact that many people are still just starting GW new, they will still have lots of content to play before they are through with the game. Not everyone has to buy the newest game as soon as it comes out, the example of Diablo 2 is a good one. There will still be players of GW for as long as they maintain the servers.

Its the same thing assuming that everyone plays to create stuff now for their future GW2 characters, many GW players may never go over to GW2 and even then they won't take it up immediately. Many players will still just be playing GW for the fun of GW and nothing more.

WHat this will mean on prices depends on what people do who do shift over to GW2. If more of them decide to sell off items, keep them, salvage them etc.