DoA

Panais

Panais

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Binge And Purge [HET]

D/W

When people in DoA ask for godmode paragons, what build do they mean? and if titles are involved whats the minimum u need?

Hodgie

Hodgie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

On A Chair

Rise Of Corruption

Mo/

It means the imbagon paragon, basically spamming [save sourselves] and [there is nothing to fear]. The whole build will be orrientated around those to skills.

My "God Mode" Para build is this

[spear of fury]["watch yourself!"]["save yourselves!"]["there's nothing to fear!"][for great justice][anthem of flame][focused anger][aggressive refrain]

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...neral_Ursanway

that is a link to another imbagon build, (look at bottom of the page)

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

[focused anger][aggressive refrain][ebon battle standard of honor]["save yourselves!"]["there's nothing to fear!"][no skill][no skill][no skill]

Basically.

I believe the "needed" title specs are: R8-10 Sunspear, R5-10 Ebon Vanguard, R4-*whatever* Kurzick / Luxon.

AR to be kept up with TNTF, you'll need a stave on switch and 12 Leadership.

Be sure to get a Req 7 / 15 AL shield!

Panais

Panais

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Binge And Purge [HET]

D/W

ok cool thanks time ot start AB

Wakka Wah

Wakka Wah

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

CT, USA

The Stolen Eye [SEyE]

Mo/

Cant AB with PvE only skills on your bar

Warriorsrmint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakka Wah
Cant AB with PvE only skills on your bar I think he means to get the luxon/kurzick rank to a suitable amount.

odly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

N/

Foundry : Vow of silenced
Veil : vampiric touchers
Veil : nope, you don't get no adrenalin hexes.
City : normal mode no problem any way, but in hard mode repressive energy is a killer for a paragon.

DoA is not the friendliest place for an imbagon imo.

Be sure the entire team knows you're not doing an Ursan and that the monks have to keep nasty hexes off you to be usefull.

You can run a 1/2 Ursan 1/2 Imbagon

- take Ursan as elite and go ursan where your imbagon template gets countered
- use enduring harmony+fgj to do a decent imbagon where it's most usefull (some bits of foundry mostly).
(down time is not too bad since fgj recharges faster with celerity up.

This does require knowledge of the area to know when to do which ofcourse.

Just my 2cts.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by odly
Foundry : Vow of silenced
I don't understand what you mean here, but I did it a few days ago with a balanced.
As an Earth Shaker Ranger.

Quote: Veil : vampiric touchers Earth Shaker.

Quote: Veil : nope, you don't get no adrenalin hexes. The Imbagon here wasn't affected by these -- I had a Divert Monk. The only problem was the huge melee hate and all of the cover hexes. A Divert Hexes Monk COULD NOT keep up with it at the Cave where you get swarms of enemies sent at you. I believe a Spell Breaker Monk could get past the melee hate, on the ES obviously.

Quote: There is no such thing a a full Ursan imo. Ursan is just one skill on a eight skillslot bar. You are allowed to put skills in the other seven slots and use them as well. You don't have to use Ursan all the time if those other 7 skills give you a build that is more usefull for some part of the mission.

Quote:
City : normal mode no problem any way, but in hard mode repressive energy is a killer for a paragon. SY going up every 4 seconds, without an Orders guy the energy still shouldn't have energy problems.

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DoA is not the friendliest place for an imbagon imo. Taking note of the other 7 party member slots can make it quite a decent thing. The huge defense is worth defending.

ShadowbaneX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes of the Horn

A/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
I believe the "needed" title specs are: R8-10 Sunspear, R5-10 Ebon Vanguard, R4-*whatever* Kurzick / Luxon.

AR to be kept up with TNTF, you'll need a stave on switch and 12 Leadership.

Be sure to get a Req 7 / 15 AL shield! I'm not really sure I like the idea of: switch to staff (I'm guessing a +15+5>50 energy staff), "TNTF!" to maintain AR. I personally just wander around with Anthem of Weariness instead of EVBSoH (mainly since I don't have it yet).

Oh, and the break point for "Save Yourselves!" is 3 and 7. The break point for Spear of Fury is rank 4, so perhaps that's what you're thinking of.

I've managed to find a req 7, 15 AL Skull Shield, but I'm looking for another skin. If anyone has a different command req skin and they want to trade feel free to PM me.

Incandecree

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Archons of Elona

Mo/

I haven't done DoA in a long time but I think it is ironic that (according to the OP) they are asking for paragons in DoA now. I remember getting my paragon there and being laughed out of groups. Oh how the tides have turned.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Players are bad, Incandecree. They don't understand how imbalanced Paragons are, with or without Imbagons.

Use Anthem of Whatever if you wish, but if you ask me it's more beneficial to just switch to a stave and use TNTF, mainly to your mobility as a team and the speed of the area you are running.

And Shadowbane, thanks for verifying the breakpoints of SY for me. I just played AB and started playing Imbagon from ~Rank 3 Kurzick.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by odly
Foundry : Vow of silenced
Veil : vampiric touchers
Veil : nope, you don't get no adrenalin hexes.
City : normal mode no problem any way, but in hard mode repressive energy is a killer for a paragon.

DoA is not the friendliest place for an imbagon imo.

Be sure the entire team knows you're not doing an Ursan and that the monks have to keep nasty hexes off you to be usefull.

You can run a 1/2 Ursan 1/2 Imbagon

- take Ursan as elite and go ursan where your imbagon template gets countered
- use enduring harmony+fgj to do a decent imbagon where it's most usefull (some bits of foundry mostly).
(down time is not too bad since fgj recharges faster with celerity up.

This does require knowledge of the area to know when to do which ofcourse.

Just my 2cts. If you really hate imbagon that much, run a full ursan. Running an imbagon without the elite isn't going to help much, so you might as well just be ursan.

odly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

N/

Taking your short answer apart in a long reply. Don't feel offended please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
If you really hate imbagon that much, run a full ursan. Running an imbagon without the elite isn't going to help much, so you might as well just be ursan.
I didn't mean to express an emotional feeling at all. I stated that the area DoA has a lot of counters to it and that the usual 3 monk backline every pug adhere's to doesn't remove those counters. It's not as if the Ursan's will be removing hexes, an Imbagon cannot do it himself and most monks in DoA PuG's don't either, they just make the red bars go up.

In fact I like the imbagon build, and play it quite often. I've joined the Pug's the OP is referring to, and I'm speaking of personal experiences. Those groups asking for an imbagon that I joined with my paragon were being formed by someone who read about the build being 'better than Ursan' on these forums. That doesn't mean he/she knows what is needed to play that build efficiently in DoA. It doesn't mean the monks will know either.

There's nothing more annoying to me than having all your usefull skills disabled by a single hex, having a three monk backline and having to wait out the entire duration of the hex because they don't remove it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune If you really hate imbagon that much, run a full ursan. Running an imbagon without the elite isn't going to help much, so you might as well just be ursan.
Originally Posted by holymasamune
If you really hate imbagon that much, run a full ursan. Running an imbagon without the elite isn't going to help much, so you might as well just be ursan. With enduring harmony fgj will last 30 sec, with essence of celerity fgj will recharge in 34. So for 30 out of 34 sec I can have double adrenalin without using the elite. Yes imo you can play an imbagon without Focussed Anger under these conditions. (historcal note on the bottom.)

Btw. You can also drop you -20 armour skill if you want, since essence will also give you +25% ias.

This is the 1/2-1/2 skillbar I run in DoA : (from memory)
[Ursan Blessing][Enduring Harmony]["For Great Justice"][Save Yourselves][There's nothing to fear][Signet of return][Spear of Lightning][Wild Throw]

If going "full" Ursan I'll use a sword and replace the spear attacks.

historical : I first started using this build with a friend who wanted to copy Ursan with arcane mimicry. He was Dervish and using arcane mimicry he could copy Ursan of me, activate Avatar of Dwayna, activate Ursan and have both the blessing and the avatar active all the time except while recasting. He needed a person to copy Ursan of each time he needed it. Once you activate Ursan Blessing it's no longer possible to copy it from you since it's not on your skillbar any more. (replaced by the Ursan skillset) So he needed someone with Ursan on his skillbar and not actually using it. I figured out I could run my imbagon without the Elite with not too much loss of functuonality so he could experiment with his build.

I remember reading Racthoh drops FGJ when using celerities because FA will recharge in time. I drop FA and take another elite. (In this case Ursan, in others Cruel Spear f.e.)

Incandecree

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Archons of Elona

Mo/

is Song of Purification. It works well because it is based off skill usage and Ursans are always using their skills because that is all they have. It does relieve some pressure off the monks because they aren't having to deal with the degen as much.