Favorite General Assassin build?

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08 Jun 2008 at 14:10 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyko

Unsuspecting strike averaged at 61.9 DPS
Jagged strike averaged at 68.7 DPS
and a mobeius build averaged at 66 DPS

thats as far as i will go, but if you want all the numbers i used i can start another thread and post all the results with screenshots. It seems that peoples assumptions about mobeius might not be all that accurate >.> (granted that to actually say that for sure i want to do more that just one test for each, but i suspect that my build and mobeius might average out to be even in the end) Sorry to ask but... how much do you spec into Healing Prayers for the travesty that is [skill]vigorous spirit[/skill]?

1. ANY 'worthy' investment (6-8 ish?) significantly detracts from your damage output.
2. The supposed pressure relief it offers your healers is, liek, wtfpwnt by [skill]save yourselves[/skill] in every area I've been to (granted, no Explorer leetness - but it includes all of the hardest/most rewarding bitz

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So yes, DO post your attributes to back up your statements.

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08 Jun 2008 at 18:25 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Sorry to ask but... how much do you spec into Healing Prayers for the travesty that is [skill]vigorous spirit[/skill]?

1. ANY 'worthy' investment (6-8 ish?) significantly detracts from your damage output.
2. The supposed pressure relief it offers your healers is, liek, wtfpwnt by [skill]save yourselves[/skill] in every area I've been to (granted, no Explorer leetness - but it includes all of the hardest/most rewarding bitz

Stick Out Tongue

)

So yes, DO post your attributes to back up your statements.

I'll do it for him.

[build prof=A/Mo name="Death Blossom Farmer" dag=11+1 cri=10+1+2 healin=10][Golden Phoenix Strike][Critical Strike][Moebius Strike][Death Blossom][Critical Defenses][Critical Agility][Vigorous Spirit][Live Vicariously][/build]

Taken from: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/...Blossom_Farmer

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08 Jun 2008 at 20:57 - 43

That's kind of you.

Now be nice enough to test against [skill]way of the assassin[/skill] builds as well.

Psyko

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09 Jun 2008 at 00:44 - 44

13 crit strikes
12 dagger mastery
11 Healing prayers is the amount i put into it. I dont use save yourselves because i am only rank 1 luxon, making it hard/impossible to keep up permanently and thusly not worth it in my mind

2 major runes(510 hp)... call me crazy, but then thats what we have been doing this whole time anyway isnt it?

and i use 13 crit and 12 dagger to test mobeius as well...

[skill]golden fox strike[/skill][skill]wild strike[/skill][skill]critical strike[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]critical agility[/skill]

was the exact mobeius build i tested it off of, spaming DB and mobeius on recharge. However i did consider that someone who uses the build more often would have a better sequence of attacks.

so is there anything different from other moebius builds that i should know about? I took 13 crit, 12 dagger to be standard for most sins

Edit: Just tested again with the above moebius build and my original build minus the Vigorous spirit. Totals were 73dps for moebius and 74dps for Way of the assassin. I also used the farming build, minus the healing spells again, 68 dps

i have seen all i need to. Whether or not my build looks good is not the question, the question is whether it does or does not do the job as well as moebius, and from what i can tell it does just as well.

I will admit that the way i handle my damage avoidance could be better tho, so i will look for a way to improve that

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09 Jun 2008 at 02:42 - 45

you should be getting 80+ dps from Moebius easy, you're definitely doing something wrong.

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09 Jun 2008 at 08:59 - 46

Originally Posted by Bobby2

That's kind of you.

Now be nice enough to test against [skill]way of the assassin[/skill] builds as well.

With the introduction of Way of the Master I wouldn't waste my time with Way of the Assassin on none Dagger Assassins and there's certainly better elites to use too.

Critical Eye does more than good enough a job for Dagger Assassins due to their fast attack rate and the heightened energy regain. Getting 16 energy back from using Critical Eye (+1), Critical Strike (+3 x2), Zealous Daggers (+1), and Critical Strikes @13 (+3) and pairing it with Moebius Strike (for seriously impressive results) means it's probably one of the best methods of energy management in the game.

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09 Jun 2008 at 09:05 - 47

Go AB'ing to get your Lux rank up - but 82.32% AL-based damage reduction for the entire party, even for 60-75% of the time, is still far better then any Monk skill that may strike your fancy.

As for what is 'standard issue gear', go read the guide. My current set up is
12+1 Crits
12+1+1 Dagger
default 15^50 Zealous daggers
Full Survivor armor, 3 Vitae (620HP, 650 on defensive set)
[skill]golden fox strike[/skill][skill]wild strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]save yourselves[/skill][skill]critical agility[/skill][skill]assassin's remedy[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill]

Having both [skill]critical eye[/skill] and [skill]critical strike[/skill] is overkill, you won't ever be that desperate for energy. I opted for Eye, because I want to start Blossoming asap (I have to compete with other sins

). Some people choose Strike for the guaranteed crit (more likely if they also slot [skill]critical defenses[/skill], but personally I'd not choose it over [skill]assassin's remedy[/skill]).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyko

11 Healing prayers is the amount i put into it

Rawr, as long as you stay alive! No Mending/WoH jokes from me.

Quote: Originally Posted by Psyko 2 major runes(510 hp)... call me crazy You're crazy. Ever talked to a (decent) Monk, let alone played one yourself? Even NPCs would have a clear preference. In my eyes, you sacrificed 110-140HP for the maybe 48HP heal you get during the spike your Monk did have trouble with.

Originally Posted by Psyko

but then thats what we have been doing this whole time anyway isnt it? Nope! Minors ftw.

Last edited by Unreal Havoc : Today at 01:04 AM PS Unreal stop ninja'ing my posts

Psyko

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09 Jun 2008 at 23:13 - 48

meh... i think ill keep at least one major rune... cus i have this one Mark of Rog build that is quite amusing to play.

otherwise, this has been a very inspiring conversation/discussion/whatever, in that i will go back and see what i can do to make this build better. However, i still think that i can use the basic idea and come out with a build that works as well as anything.

and perhaps i should have said earlier that i only H/h, that might have made my build look a little less... confusing? Either way, i make builds like this more as a work of "art" if you want to call it that. I make them to have synergy between the parts, so that they all work together in the most fluid way possible, but at the same time working as well as possible in the conventional sense.

guess what im saying is thanks for the input and everything, but as long as this is my game to play, im gonna play it my way :P

and to Flamingmetroid: i think it may have something to do with the fact that the Master of Damage only has two "adjacents" and they tend to not rez themselves quickly. But at the same time, if they rezed faster, my build would rise in DPS as well. Numbers dont lie, and i didnt change anything, i went in, hit him for about a minute and a half, then checked the DPS. Sorry that your moebius has competition...

so, im done. And unless this thread is totally unsalvageable... back on topic? >.>

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09 Jun 2008 at 23:29 - 49

Originally Posted by Psyko

and to Flamingmetroid: i think it may have something to do with the fact that the Master of Damage only has two "adjacents" and they tend to not rez themselves quickly. But at the same time, if they rezed faster, my build would rise in DPS as well. Numbers dont lie, and i didnt change anything, i went in, hit him for about a minute and a half, then checked the DPS. Sorry that your moebius has competition... I've tested it myself, MS/DB does more damage than WotA.
here's some proof:

WotA

MS/DB

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10 Jun 2008 at 15:39 - 50

Even if it does more damage most of you guys fall to see that MS/Death spam only works well on one Target, once it's dead you can't maintain that level of damage because you have to restart the combo, don't let the master of damage fool ya, I rather WatA build, Wata is better for switching through multi-opponents.

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10 Jun 2008 at 15:45 - 51

Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

Even if it does more damage most of you guys fall to see that MS/Death spam only works well on one Target, once it's dead you can't maintain that level of damage because you have to restart the combo, don't let the master of damage fool ya, I rather WatA build, Wata is better for switching through multi-opponents. You're forgetting the AoE damage dealth by Death Blossom and the utility of being able to spam it and recharge all of your skills with Moebius Strike. You're also forgetting that no matter which build you use you have to restart your combo regardless when you switch targets. With Moebius Strike & Death Blossom most tend to use Golden Phoenix Strike to get into the double striking quicker which churns out even more DPS.

Still think Way of the Assassin is a better elite choice?

Way of the Assassin is a poor elite that can easily be supplemented by Critical Eye or Way of the Master saving your elite slot for something that is far more useful.

Compare both builds with similar skills for a more accurate result:

[skill]critical agility[/skill][skill]golden fox strike[/skill][skill]wild strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]critical defenses[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

[skill]critical agility[/skill][skill]golden fox strike[/skill][skill]wild strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill][skill]way of the assassin[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]critical defenses[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

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10 Jun 2008 at 16:25 - 52

Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

Even if it does more damage most of you guys fall to see that MS/Death spam only works well on one Target, once it's dead you can't maintain that level of damage because you have to restart the combo, don't let the master of damage fool ya, I rather WatA build, Wata is better for switching through multi-opponents. MS/DB spam has like... 4s recharge.
But go ahead, take your lil Way of the Assassin.

Oh and by the way, Healing Hands is the best elite for a warrior. Don't let the rest of the community fool you.

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10 Jun 2008 at 18:00 - 53

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

MS/DB spam has like... 4s recharge.
But go ahead, take your lil Way of the Assassin.

Oh and by the way, Healing Hands is the best elite for a warrior. Don't let the rest of the community fool you. I lol'd
I guess let the bad players remain bad if that's what they insist on

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10 Jun 2008 at 20:58 - 54

Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

Even if it does more damage most of you guys fall to see that MS/Death spam only works well on one Target, once it's dead you can't maintain that level of damage because you have to restart the combo, don't let the master of damage fool ya, I rather WatA build, Wata is better for switching through multi-opponents. lolwut?

MS/DB is the absolute most powerful PvE assassin build in the game there can be no arguing the point (thats not a perma sf build....)

*AoE check
*High Powered Chain check
*Low Recharge check
*Reasonable party support/utility check

AoE is really the thing that sets it apart from all other sin builds as your dealing 80 damage per DB to all surrounding targets. Also underverse the chains have the same recharge so both builds adapt equally well to another target (that being said the moebius chain actually has a better chance of recharging faster)

argue with me i dare you

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10 Jun 2008 at 22:38 - 55

metroid, you are using unsuspecting strike. That is going to limit your damage due to energy costs.

The way my build works is through manipulating the recharge time of skills to simulate a moebius/DB spam

The way it works is this. Lets assume you have Critical Agility like every good sin should. This makes your attack speed right around 1 second.

So it takes about 1 second for each skill to cast after you have pressed the button.

that means that from lead attack to dual attack you take three seconds to cast and entire chain.

this doesnt change with moebius, because of its 2 second recharge time. Tack on another second for it to cast (in other words, for you to swing) and you have three seconds in between death blossoms no matter what death blossom's recharge is.

So all you have to do then is find skills that can be used both assuredly and repeatedly.

1 second recharge on jagged strike, 4 seconds on golden fang and wild, and two on death blossom.

1 second to swing, lead attack done
1 second to swing, off hand done, lead attack recharged.
1 second to swing, dual attack done
1 second to swing, lead attack done
1 second to swing, second off hand done
1 second to swing, dual attack done, first off hand recharged
1 second to swing, lead attack done,

so on and so forth, the two off hands recharge fast enough to be on call, and with crit strike chance so high, you are pretty much guaranteed to have enough energy to cast a FIVE ENERGY ATTACK. (your problem is lack of energy, effectively making the recharge time longer for unsuspecting strike if you have not had enough crits, and i have tested it, it is noticable)

now... moebius follows the same basic principles, now assuming you have golden phoenix in the build

1 second, off hand done
1 second, dual attack done
1 second, moebius done
1 second, dual attack done
1 second, MOEBIUS RECHARGING, regular dagger attack, no extra damage
1 second, moebius done
1 second, dual attack done
1 second, MOEBIUS RECHARGING, no extra damage

see where im getting at? Spamming moebius will not get you to use DB any faster than a regular spammable dagger chain. The difference come from the fact that my build can manage to do SOMETHING with that loose dagger attack, giving me either a deep wound or an extra 30 damage.

so quit arguing with me, i know im right, i have tested it, i have theorized it, i have gone over it again and again. I am really not that amazed, however, that no one here could figure it out.

and as a final note to metroid. Next time you test, use the right build.

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10 Jun 2008 at 22:42 - 56

Originally Posted by Psyko

metroid, you are using unsuspecting strike. That is going to limit your damage due to energy costs.

if your using WotA and having energy problems your doing it wrong simple as that

o and btw i did the test myself results for WotA are first Moebius Second

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10 Jun 2008 at 22:45 - 57

Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

if your using WotA and having energy problems your doing it wrong simple as that
.... well this isnt surprising

when you base your energy regen off of a change occurance, no matter how good your chances are, you will have problems if you try and stretch that chance too thin.

i told you, there are REASONS why i use the attacks i use... and they go farther than just recharge times....

but hey, if you doubt me still, go and test the seperate attacks yourself. There IS a difference

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10 Jun 2008 at 22:49 - 58

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

I guess let the bad players remain bad if that's what they insist on

again, don't argue with him. I know he's wrong, you all know he's wrong, if he wants to keep using WotA, let him, he's handicapping himself.

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10 Jun 2008 at 22:55 - 59

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

again, don't argue with him. I know he's wrong, you all know he's wrong, if he wants to keep using WotA, let him, he's handicapping himself. you say im wrong, but i dont see you actually testing my build correctly

in fact, i know what you would do even if you DID test the right build

the bleeding will alter your dps, stretching out the time he runs the meter but not adding enough damage. You would just let that go, then post the rediculously low DPS that comes with it...

im trying to be reasonable... but if you are not, then i guess there isnt anything to do...

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10 Jun 2008 at 23:00 - 60

o hai, I'm still right

crazy isn't it?

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10 Jun 2008 at 23:00 - 61

check out mah results in my last post

both builds equal skill weapon and armor wise

moebius wins gg

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10 Jun 2008 at 23:56 - 62

Originally Posted by Psyko

you say im wrong, but i dont see you actually testing my build correctly
/facepalm
Even half-witted gw player can say Hamstorm is bad without playing it. And I also don't like maths but here's the thing- maths doesn't lie. It shows that MS/DB spam > WoTA

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

/facepalm
Even half-witted gw player can say Hamstorm is bad without playing it. And I also don't like maths but here's the thing- maths doesn't lie. It shows that MS/DB spam > WoTA 2 adjacent enemies, they dont die, your target doesnt either, you have enough energy to carry out each attack on recharge. every hit is max damage for a dagger, each skill does max damage, your attributes are 13 crit strikes and 12 dagger mastery and you will be attacking for 10 seconds...

Common skills are Critical Eye and Critical Agility, attacks are assumed to be 1 sec/swing

1sec-jagged strike, -6 hp/s (ill add all that up after im done) 17dmg
2sec-Golden Fang strike - DW 17dmg (technically thats -20% HP, keep that in mind)
3sec-Death Blossom - 177dmg
4sec-jagged strike - 17dmg
5sec-wild strke - 30dmg 17dmg
6sec-death blossom 240dmg 17dmg
7sec-jagged strike - 17dmg
8sec-golden fang - 17dmg
9sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
10sec-jagged strike - 17 damage

13% base crit- 1 crit
31% crit- i wont round up, i crit 3 of my dagger attacks
13% crit addition- not sure how to calculate this... so im going to add it as an extra attack critteed

5 attacks deal 24 dmg
-6hp/s x 10 = 60dmg (divided by 3 is 20, so jagged strike does 20 extra damage through that whole 10 seconds)

(5x24)+(5x17)+(3x240)+30+60=1015/10= 101.5dps (theoretically now, not to mention the Deep Wound that did 20% of the enemy's health somewhere in there...)

(ideally moebius will recharge your skills... im going to assume it does that all the time)
1sec-Golden Phoenix strike - 26dmg 17dmg
2sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
3sec-Moebius - 30dmg 17dmg
4sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
5sec-Moebius Recharging 17dmg
6sec-Moebius - 30dmg 17dmg
8sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
9sec-Moebius Recharging - 17dmg
10sec-Moebius- 30dmg 17dmg

13 base crit - 1 hit crits
13 added crit, again, assume an extra crit - 1 hit crits

(2x24)+(8x17)+(3x240)+60+26=990/10=99dps (again theoretcially)

"Math's doesn't lie" right?

edit:mixed up some crit chances :P

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11 Jun 2008 at 00:36 - 64

I really don't see how you can say any other assassin elite is better than [Moebius Strike] in terms of pure dps.

As for the A/Mo build, it is just plain inefficient. If you are going to stack crit as much as possible, then lesser points in SA for [Way of Perfection] is better than points in Healing just for [Vigorous Spirit]. Those extra points can go into more dagger mastery to increase your crit and double strike percentages. There is no way you can emulate what MS does with any combination of dagger attacks. The closest that has been tried was [Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Death Blossom] which I consider superor to anything with [Jagged Strike].

If you want to stack crit, that is up to you, but you won't fool anyone claiming that your WotA build is superior to MS/DB in any way. The screenshots tell enough of the story. I would even rank the build inferior to [Shattering Assault] because of the lack of utility and that fact that your chain gets shut down by any kind of block or blind.

If you like playing WotA, than at least play it efficiently and accept it for what it is: inferior to MS/DB in dps.

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11 Jun 2008 at 00:43 - 65

Psyko, we've shown you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing screenshots of MS/DB being better than WotA. By arguing now, you're just showing us how much of a pompous faggot you are. Please stop posting. If you want to believe something that is wrong, fine, just don't try to make others believe it.

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11 Jun 2008 at 00:56 - 66

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Psyko, we've shown you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing screenshots of MS/DB being better than WotA. By arguing now, you're just showing us how much of a pompous faggot you are. Please stop posting. If you want to believe something that is wrong, fine, just don't try to make others believe it. i have already told you why that test was inaccurate, failing to acknowledge that is why i keep posting. Im not being a faggot, im just very irritated that you wont at least admit that my build is just as good as moebius.

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11 Jun 2008 at 00:57 - 67

Originally Posted by Psyko

i have already told you why that test was inaccurate, failing to acknowledge that is why i keep posting. Im not being a faggot, im just very irritated that you wont at least admit that my build is just not as good as moebius. fixed

And if you don't want to believe that, go to QQ and see all the Moebius themed builds compared to all the WotA builds. Hell, even new Moebius builds get welled because of how they're so similar to each other.

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11 Jun 2008 at 01:05 - 68

Originally Posted by Psyko

i have already told you why that test was inaccurate, failing to acknowledge that is why i keep posting. Im not being a faggot, im just very irritated that you wont at least admit that my build is just as good as moebius. BECAUSE IT ISN'T, and by trying to say that it is, someone might believe you. The majority of good assassin players use MS/DB for a reason, and that is because it is the best build available. EVERY PERSON on this board has disagreed with you. Keep on convincing yourself that you're using the best build, just don't taint others. This is even worse that Kaleban's rant about Shattering Assault, because his argument at least had some validity. If you keep on posting I'm going to report you for continually supporting bullshit, despite the fact that everybody has told you you're wrong.

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11 Jun 2008 at 01:16 - 69

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

BECAUSE IT ISN'T, and by trying to say that it is, someone might believe you. The majority of good assassin players use MS/DB for a reason, and that is because it is the best build available. EVERY PERSON on this board has disagreed with you. Keep on convincing yourself that you're using the best build, just don't taint others. This is even worse that Kaleban's rant about Shattering Assault, because his argument at least had some validity. If you keep on posting I'm going to report you for continually supporting bullshit, despite the fact that everybody has told you you're wrong. i could say a number of things... a lot of them just insults, some of them proving you wrong again...

but i never intended this to get so out of hand, i never wanted to derail an entire thread. But i keep going, because i actually assumed there was someone out there who was willing to look at hard evidence and proof, and be a big enough man to admit he was wrong.

well, guess i am the only one willing to be that man.

I was wrong, sorry

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11 Jun 2008 at 01:21 - 70

Thank you.

oh, and by the way, nobody else admitted they were wrong because they weren't ;p

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11 Jun 2008 at 01:24 - 71

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Thank you.

oh, and by the way, nobody else admitted they were wrong because they weren't ;p oh wait a sec

you meant your THIRD screenshot... just saw that

ok... that build doesnt have jagged strike in it still. You need that skill, for the recharge.

Ok, i know i have been really annoying, but one last test. I use my build, you use moebius. Ill shut up if you win.

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11 Jun 2008 at 01:31 - 72

Originally Posted by Psyko

oh wait a sec

you meant your THIRD screenshot... just saw that

ok... that build doesnt have jagged strike in it still. You need that skill, for the recharge.

Ok, i know i have been really annoying, but one last test. I use my build, you use moebius. Ill shut up if you win. Psyko, you're wrong, and I'm done trying to prove it. The proof is already there, and now you're just trolling. Please, please, gtfo my internets.

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11 Jun 2008 at 01:55 - 73

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Psyko, you're wrong, and I'm done trying to prove it. The proof is already there, and now you're just trolling. Please, please, gtfo my internets. then at least tell me what mods are on the daggers you used and your attributes... If im wrong fine, want to know why...

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11 Jun 2008 at 01:58 - 74

Originally Posted by Psyko

then at least tell me what mods are on the daggers you used and your attributes... If im wrong fine, but i still haven't broken 77 dps with moebius... 14 crit
14 dagger mastery

7-17 r10
+15% ench
1/-1
19% ench

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11 Jun 2008 at 02:01 - 75

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

14 crit
14 dagger mastery

7-17 r10
+15% ench
1/-1
19% ench ah, ok

thank you

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

A/

11 Jun 2008 at 02:03 - 76

Originally Posted by Psyko

and... ok, sorry for this last thing, but did you use the same while testing WotA? no, I used something completely different to hide how wrong I was[/SARCASM]

yes, I used the same setup

Psyko

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The Shinobi Empire [TSE]

11 Jun 2008 at 02:15 - 77

were they customized? the daggers i mean...

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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11 Jun 2008 at 02:17 - 78

yes, the daggers were customized

Psyko

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The Shinobi Empire [TSE]

11 Jun 2008 at 02:19 - 79

ok...
12chars

edit: To be fair

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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11 Jun 2008 at 02:39 - 80

yeah, your build does comparable damage. It's also a pain in the butt to use, easier to mess up your chain, and has no room for utility skills.