what are some good a/r builds
Sin4
ogre_jd
[Barrage][Distracting Shot][Sharpen Daggers][Way of the Master][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Critical Defenses]
Max Marksmanship (+ Major rune) and max Critical Strikes (+ helm + Minor rune). Shadow Arts to r3 as a dump stat. Final slot depends on my mood, usually [[Viper's Defense]. [[Distracting Shot] gets replaced with [[Volley] sometimes. Replace [[Critical Agility] with whatever catches your eye, if you don't have it.
EDIT: Love how running out of coffee wrecks my brain. :P Make that a Major on the Critical Strikes helm and a Minor for Shadow Arts. For the rest of it, I prefer a Radiant & Attunement on the chest, Survivors on the rest of the armor, and your best Vigor rune and a Rune of Vitae in the last two slots armor slots. I prefer using a Zealous Flatbow of Fortitude with 15^50 (specifically, the Factions endgame Ironwing Flatbow).
Should be fairly straightforward - WotM, CE & CA before aggroing, as well as SD if there's fleshies, use CD & VD (and perhaps switching targets to what you just poisoned - that and bleeding does a good job together
) when something gets too close (which isn't too often, really). Reapply everything as necessary.
I'm having far more success with this build than I ever did with Daggers, even with the standard [[Death Blossom]/[[Moebius Strike] builds.
Max Marksmanship (+ Major rune) and max Critical Strikes (+ helm + Minor rune). Shadow Arts to r3 as a dump stat. Final slot depends on my mood, usually [[Viper's Defense]. [[Distracting Shot] gets replaced with [[Volley] sometimes. Replace [[Critical Agility] with whatever catches your eye, if you don't have it.
EDIT: Love how running out of coffee wrecks my brain. :P Make that a Major on the Critical Strikes helm and a Minor for Shadow Arts. For the rest of it, I prefer a Radiant & Attunement on the chest, Survivors on the rest of the armor, and your best Vigor rune and a Rune of Vitae in the last two slots armor slots. I prefer using a Zealous Flatbow of Fortitude with 15^50 (specifically, the Factions endgame Ironwing Flatbow).
Should be fairly straightforward - WotM, CE & CA before aggroing, as well as SD if there's fleshies, use CD & VD (and perhaps switching targets to what you just poisoned - that and bleeding does a good job together
) when something gets too close (which isn't too often, really). Reapply everything as necessary.I'm having far more success with this build than I ever did with Daggers, even with the standard [[Death Blossom]/[[Moebius Strike] builds.
absolutcrobi
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Originally Posted by Sin4
Bobby2
Unless you're going CritBow, there's not much in the Ranger line that meshes well with Assassins.
- IAS skills are in Expertise: short and expensive
- Wilderness Lore provides decent utility but requires significant investment: less of a problem for Rangers as they tend not to rely on damage.
[skill]poison tip signet[/skill]... but it's not like Poison is hard to come by thru our own skills.
EDIT: lol @ Sharpen Daggers love
I herd Bleeding sucks
- IAS skills are in Expertise: short and expensive
- Wilderness Lore provides decent utility but requires significant investment: less of a problem for Rangers as they tend not to rely on damage.
[skill]poison tip signet[/skill]... but it's not like Poison is hard to come by thru our own skills.
EDIT: lol @ Sharpen Daggers love
I herd Bleeding sucks
matsif
crit barrage is nice I heard...otherwise I can't think of anything that ranger has better than sin
[skill]barrage[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill][skill]savage shot[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]way of the master[/skill][skill]shadow refuge[/skill][skill]disrupting accuracy[/skill][skill]sunspear rebirth signet[/skill]
I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this
[skill]barrage[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill][skill]savage shot[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]way of the master[/skill][skill]shadow refuge[/skill][skill]disrupting accuracy[/skill][skill]sunspear rebirth signet[/skill]
I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this
Sin4
i was thinking along the lines of a sin with a pet
Faure
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Originally Posted by ogre_jd
[Barrage][Distracting Shot][Sharpen Daggers][Way of the Master][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Critical Defenses]
Max Marksmanship (+ Major rune) and max Critical Strikes (+ helm + Minor rune). Shadow Arts to r3 as a dump stat. Final slot depends on my mood, usually [[Viper's Defense]. [[Distracting Shot] gets replaced with [[Volley] sometimes. Replace [[Critical Agility] with whatever catches your eye, if you don't have it.
Should be fairly straightforward - WotM, CE & CA before aggroing, as well as SD if there's fleshies, use CD & VD (and perhaps switching targets to what you just poisoned - that and bleeding does a good job together) when something gets too close (which isn't too often, really). Reapply everything as necessary.
I'm having far more success with this build than I ever did with Daggers, even with the standard [[Death Blossom]/[[Moebius Strike] builds. Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?
Max Marksmanship (+ Major rune) and max Critical Strikes (+ helm + Minor rune). Shadow Arts to r3 as a dump stat. Final slot depends on my mood, usually [[Viper's Defense]. [[Distracting Shot] gets replaced with [[Volley] sometimes. Replace [[Critical Agility] with whatever catches your eye, if you don't have it.
Should be fairly straightforward - WotM, CE & CA before aggroing, as well as SD if there's fleshies, use CD & VD (and perhaps switching targets to what you just poisoned - that and bleeding does a good job together
) when something gets too close (which isn't too often, really). Reapply everything as necessary.I'm having far more success with this build than I ever did with Daggers, even with the standard [[Death Blossom]/[[Moebius Strike] builds. Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?
sph0nz
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Originally Posted by matsif
crit barrage is nice I heard...otherwise I can't think of anything that ranger has better than sin
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I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this [skill]Barrage[/skill] removes preparations so your statement is false. Might as well remove [skill]Disrupting Accuracy[/skill] for [skill]Sharpen Daggers[/skill] or something since it's really the only thing an assassin barrager has over a ranger.
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I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this [skill]Barrage[/skill] removes preparations so your statement is false. Might as well remove [skill]Disrupting Accuracy[/skill] for [skill]Sharpen Daggers[/skill] or something since it's really the only thing an assassin barrager has over a ranger.
matsif
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Originally Posted by sph0nz
[skill]Barrage[/skill] removes preparations so your statement is false. Might as well remove [skill]Disrupting Accuracy[/skill] for [skill]Sharpen Daggers[/skill] or something since it's really the only thing an assassin barrager has over a ranger.
yea I just remembered that...stupid on my part should have realized. you probably posted the best replacement
Sin4
im thinking more along the lines of a sin with a pet and running a poision and bleeding combo
theonetheonlybruce
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Originally Posted by Faure
Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?
no theres not to any of mine knoledge i think he wasn't looking at what he was doing when he was writing it
zelgadissan
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Originally Posted by Sin4
im thinking more along the lines of a sin with a pet and running a poision and bleeding combo
If you want a build with a pet simply replace [Critical Defenses] with [Charm Animal]. This is really the only legitimate A/R build around, I would suggest pitching [Sharpen Daggers] for your pet but if you want bleeding you've gotta get rid of something. Poison will be hard to come by since [Apply Poison] gets pulled by [Barrage] and [Poison Tip Signet] will only apply to the first arrow.
Sin4
yea but i would really like to use daggers not a bow
ogre_jd
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Originally Posted by Faure
Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?
Yeah. It's called "running out of coffee and mixing up what I was intending to say". :P Meant Major on the Critical Strikes helm, of course, and a minor for Shadow Arts.
zelgadissan
Okay, if you want daggers with your pet then I'd try something like this, but I will say straight up I've never tested it out so it might (and probably will) suck. Also isn't your bleeding/poison, I'll work on that.
[Critical Agility][Critical Defenses][Golden Phoenix Strike][Death Blossom][Moebius Strike][Heart of Shadow][Call of Protection][Charm Animal]
[Critical Agility][Critical Defenses][Golden Phoenix Strike][Death Blossom][Moebius Strike][Heart of Shadow][Call of Protection][Charm Animal]
Sin4
all looks good except the critical agility thing it can only be used during pve i would like to round the charcter out more and also it there a way to put in some posining moves
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Faure
Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?
*cough* withthirdpartyhackyoucanuserunesandinsigniaregardl essofyouractuallprofession. Its not fun when you get 3-seccond KDs from primary sin thanks to stonefist insignia.
RavagerOfDreams
back on topic no there really isn't besides the barrager build but tbh that one sux pritty hard to
zelgadissan
Haha, should've specified you're looking for a PvP style build, I think in terms of PvE first and foremost. Therefore, this will definitely suck since I'm a PvE main player but it does at least hit your Bleeding/Poison, and I'm also assuming it's for spiking a monk/mesmer.
[Critical Defenses][Sharpen Daggers][Death's Charge][Unsuspecting Strike][Entangling Asp][Falling Lotus Strike][Shattering Assault][Charm Animal]
Looking back, that takes assloads of energy...somebody else can surely come up with something better.
[Critical Defenses][Sharpen Daggers][Death's Charge][Unsuspecting Strike][Entangling Asp][Falling Lotus Strike][Shattering Assault][Charm Animal]
Looking back, that takes assloads of energy...somebody else can surely come up with something better.
Bobby2
Ehmmm... Dagger Sin with pet will likely fail in PvP. Speccing high in Beast Mastery is
A: necessary if you're serious about that mutt
B: significantly deminishing to your attack power
Powerful BM skills... [skill]run as one[/skill] comes to mind first
A: necessary if you're serious about that mutt
B: significantly deminishing to your attack power
Powerful BM skills... [skill]run as one[/skill] comes to mind first
moriz
well, you can try my old AoD signet build:
[build prof=A/R dag=8+1 deadly=12+1+1 wilderness=10][poison tip signet][aura of displacement][golden phoenix strike][vampiric assault][impale][signet of toxic shock][natural stride][troll unguent][/build]
it's not very good, and it only works well in AB. but at least it's usable.
[build prof=A/R dag=8+1 deadly=12+1+1 wilderness=10][poison tip signet][aura of displacement][golden phoenix strike][vampiric assault][impale][signet of toxic shock][natural stride][troll unguent][/build]
it's not very good, and it only works well in AB. but at least it's usable.
Unreal Havoc
Why are people running both Way of the Master and Critical Eye on their Critical Barragers? Just take a Zealous Bow and drop Critical Eye for more utility. You really don't need both.
The S H A D O W
Try RaO on a sin for a change.. who needs flurry/tiger stance.. meh. but very energy consuming 
khaderach19
for pve nothing beats using critical agility with disrupting accuracy. (spec:15(or 16)cs, 12 Mark). camping on one target with a shortbow can pretty much interupt any spell they cast. (I interupted two fire imp in abaddons gate that simultaneously casted Rodgorts invocation without using savage, d-shot, disrupting shot). Keen arrow is good for an almost constant +56 bonus damage plus critical hit per usage.
as for a sin with a pet, thats a pretty bad idea. most of an assassin's damage comes for bonus damage that increases with higher dagger mastery. Critical strikes is important for energy management, putting points in BM only decreases yours and your pets potency.
as for a sin with a pet, thats a pretty bad idea. most of an assassin's damage comes for bonus damage that increases with higher dagger mastery. Critical strikes is important for energy management, putting points in BM only decreases yours and your pets potency.
-Makai-
These templates aren't considered "uber" by any stretch, but I have fun with them:
Interruption:
12+1+2 Critical Strikes
12 Marksmanship
[Needling Shot][Sloth Hunter's Shot][Disrupting Accuracy][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Way Of The Master][Dash]
The first slot is designated for an Elite Arrow attack depending on the situation. I prefer to use either [Burning Arrow] or [Prepared Shot].
You could also swap [Needling Shot] for [Keen Arrow]. It's somewhat of a gamble, but it deals considerable damage for an arrow attack.
Barrage + Bleeding:
12+1+2 Critical Strikes
12 Marksmanship
[Barrage][Needling Shot][Sloth Hunter's Shot][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Way Of The Master][Sharpen Daggers][Dash]
This one's somewhat boring in regular play (I rarely run Barrage even on my R/X because I have bad luck with foes not clumping together), but it was a blast using it during the In Defense of The Eye quest. You can also wrack up a very nice amount of AoE degen if you have a Necro companion with [Ulcerous Lungs].
I really wish it was viable to play as an Assassin Beastmaster. I tamed a raven just for that purpose, but the results are weak at best.
Interruption:
12+1+2 Critical Strikes
12 Marksmanship
[Needling Shot][Sloth Hunter's Shot][Disrupting Accuracy][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Way Of The Master][Dash]
The first slot is designated for an Elite Arrow attack depending on the situation. I prefer to use either [Burning Arrow] or [Prepared Shot].
You could also swap [Needling Shot] for [Keen Arrow]. It's somewhat of a gamble, but it deals considerable damage for an arrow attack.
Barrage + Bleeding:
12+1+2 Critical Strikes
12 Marksmanship
[Barrage][Needling Shot][Sloth Hunter's Shot][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Way Of The Master][Sharpen Daggers][Dash]
This one's somewhat boring in regular play (I rarely run Barrage even on my R/X because I have bad luck with foes not clumping together), but it was a blast using it during the In Defense of The Eye quest. You can also wrack up a very nice amount of AoE degen if you have a Necro companion with [Ulcerous Lungs].
I really wish it was viable to play as an Assassin Beastmaster. I tamed a raven just for that purpose, but the results are weak at best.
pipo
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Originally Posted by matsif
crit barrage is nice I heard...otherwise I can't think of anything that ranger has better than sin
[skill]barrage[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill][skill]savage shot[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]way of the master[/skill][skill]shadow refuge[/skill][skill]disrupting accuracy[/skill][skill]sunspear rebirth signet[/skill]
I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this
doesnt barage remove preparations , so why the interupts from disrupting accuracy if it doesnt go together with barage?
[skill]barrage[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill][skill]savage shot[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]way of the master[/skill][skill]shadow refuge[/skill][skill]disrupting accuracy[/skill][skill]sunspear rebirth signet[/skill]
I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this
doesnt barage remove preparations , so why the interupts from disrupting accuracy if it doesnt go together with barage?
Super Igor
I have a question; why?
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by moriz
well, you can try my old AoD signet build:
[build prof=A/R dag=8+1 deadly=12+1+1 wilderness=10][poison tip signet][aura of displacement][golden phoenix strike][vampiric assault][impale][signet of toxic shock][natural stride][troll unguent][/build]
it's not very good, and it only works well in AB. but at least it's usable. Probably the most useful build in this thread...
Honestly though ranger does not offer sins much.
[build prof=A/R dag=8+1 deadly=12+1+1 wilderness=10][poison tip signet][aura of displacement][golden phoenix strike][vampiric assault][impale][signet of toxic shock][natural stride][troll unguent][/build]
it's not very good, and it only works well in AB. but at least it's usable. Probably the most useful build in this thread...
Honestly though ranger does not offer sins much.