Why are people still falling for the oldest trick in the book?

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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After reading the high end forum and seeing 1 victim of the old 'drop ur item on the ground i cant see it in trade!' trick... im just wondering... are people seriously THIS retarded? It's not rocket science peeps. I hate it so much that I see people all the time getting scammed from this trick. I looked on Gailes wiki page and someone was qq'ing about them losing some bow. SEriously people... let it be known from here on out that:

1: Don't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER drop an item on the ground thats valuable.

2: Just because someones not an Assassin doesn't mean they cant tele to you! The person in the thread said they werent scared cause the person wasnt an /A , news to you peeps, EBON ESCAPE, a pve-only skill that will own your face when the noob steals your item.

Please people... stop falling for this trick. -________-

Lyphen

Lyphen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Natural Selection.

Sergeant of Marines

Sergeant of Marines

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Japan

[트두므s], Guild Leader

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Why are people still falling for the oldest trick in the book?

Because they are stupid?

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoXiFy
...The person in the thread said they werent scared...
Perhaps we can see plainly the possible age and/or lack of social life the person had.

Nonetheless, idiot is as idiot can get. It's too difficult to think why people don't know what a trade box happens to be.

lordheinous

lordheinous

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Why are people still falling for the oldest trick in the book?

Probably because they're so stupid they don't know how to read

It's not even about experience or knowledge, just common sense; I remember back before I even started really reading guru (and therefore hadn't seen all the scam stories) I was trying to sell a weapon in LA which was worth about 50k at the time. I got a pm from someone interested saying that they wanted to see what it looked like outside. We zoned and I equipped it and paraded it in front of him. He then asked to let him "hold", I think he said he wanted to see how it looked with his armor or something. I told him that would be fine so long as he let me "hold" 50k (what I was trying to sell for) for him as insurance. He refused then pinged his moderately expensive weapon sets, saying something along the lines of "I'm rich, you can trust me!" I lol'd and mapped back to LA.

I agree with the natural selection thing, in the real world you don't go handing the rolex you're trying to sell to someone on the street so they can walk around with it for a bit and see how it feels, you keep it locked in a case and only let them touch it in very controlled circumstances. In short, it has little to do with game knowledge and more to do with not trusting random people; it may sound cynical, but in reality its just good sense.

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

I have never had someone suggest dropping an Item outside, but if I do I'll have a wood plank ready

ALF71BE

ALF71BE

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

In your fridge, stealing your pickles. for mah subway

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Brilliant photonic screens kills common sense neurons.

Sounds also like a news headline.

1 up and 2 down

1 up and 2 down

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rt/

You know how the the saying goes...

"There's a sucker born every minute."

neighto

neighto

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Join Date: Nov 2005

The Heart of Life is [Love]

ever think maybe its a new person to the game.. just cause we have all played for 2-3 years.. doesnt mean everyone has.

so before you all call someone stupid (be it out of ignorance) Think about it!

maybe they dont come here to read all the flames.. as that what this site has really turned into. Maybe they have only been playing for a week, or so and dont know about how things work in gw.

Common people.. grow up before you post your comments about how the person was lacking intellect!

aB-

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by neighto
ever think maybe its a new person to the game.. just cause we have all played for 2-3 years.. doesnt mean everyone has.

so before you all call someone stupid (be it out of ignorance) Think about it!

maybe they dont come here to read all the flames.. as that what this site has really turned into. Maybe they have only been playing for a week, or so and dont know about how things work in gw.

Common people.. grow up before you post your comments about how the person was lacking intellect!
You don't have to know the ins and outs of this game to not be scammed. The same rules generally apply to trading items in ANY game, or for that matter, in real life. Common sense should dictate the correct decisions.

lordheinous

lordheinous

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by neighto
ever think maybe its a new person to the game.. just cause we have all played for 2-3 years.. doesnt mean everyone has.
Being new to gw doesn't excuse a lack of common sense. Knowledge of game mechanics has little to nothing to do with knowing not to give your stuff to strangers, or dropping it on the ground where they can pick it up. Also, if someone's really that new to the game, I somehow highly doubt that they're going to have anything that someone's going to try to bother to scam them out of, unless they bought gold, in which case I have no sympathy for them.

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoXiFy
are people seriously THIS retarded?
Yes, yes they are.

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

Seriously people still fall for this trick and the 5g for 5k (gold instead of plat) trick.

Why because they are retarded, and stupid and they don't know any better

Moral55

Moral55

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

SNOW

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I would like to point out that the best scams involve people who gain trust, and then swindle the person.
Not that you ever hear much of that actually.

But on topic, ya that guy was lacking something.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

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Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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I blame Arena Net, if they have given us a good seller systems no one has to go and drop anything on the ground and also no using 5g to scam for 5plat either.

cikeginke

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

2 people were trying to scam me earlier, in 1 hour.
both claimed they want to see the skin outside
1 was a sin, he casted recall and run away from me, then he dropped like q9 runic blade, darkwing defender etc, saying he'll trade me those and 100k for my voltaic spear. I mapped back before he ask me to drop the item. (I totally should've brought Ebon Escape and pick up one or 2 of his items)

the second one was a Mo/Me saying his trade window is bugged, and wanted me to drop my voltaic spear so he can screenshot and pricecheck it. He probably had his fingers on "Ebon Escape" and "Item-Nearest" keys and would fly to me as soon as I drop it. I was thinking of dropping a different gold spear but too bad it was in storage, or else I could've reported him.

Aussie Boy

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

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Because people (New people to GW) don't know about this
the rest are just plain greedy and out for what they can get.
I once was selling something about 4 or 5 months ago and this guy asked to go outside for me to drop it etc etc.
I played along for a laugh and at the time dropped a chitten frag and boom he took it and
and was gone.
I was laughing so hard when he PMed me saying he was going to report me
for scamming "him" if i didn't give the proper item to him.
I said go ahead mate and report me then. LOL

DarkFlame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ascalon

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Greed.

The normal pattern of these is that someone wants to buy so and so for more then its worth. So the seller wants to speed through the transaction before the buyer realizes he's overpaid. Instant pixel wealth still makes people stupid.

@neighto People new to the game wouldn't have something worth pulling this scam off on.

Pesi

Pesi

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Droknars Forge

No Goats No Glory

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if everyone had my brain, gw would be rocket science.

Lakdav

Lakdav

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Join Date: Jun 2008

Me/N

It seems that naive ppl (those who you called stupid, retard etc) are much more rejected than those assholes who actually scam those guys...while i agree with you that this is coused by ignorance (not retardness), i dont share the "stupid noob, lets point and laugh at him"-mood.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lakdav
It seems that naive ppl (those who you called stupid, retard etc) are much more rejected than those assholes who actually scam those guys...while i agree with you that this is coused by ignorance (not retardness), i dont share the "stupid noob, lets point and laugh at him"-mood.
If you are nice and empathetic to scammed people and hold their hand, etc, they get scammed again. "Hard" lesson shouldn't be softened.

And naivety is not excuse. Most scams work because people are too overeager to sell something to apply common sense. AKA Greedy. Which is easy to abuse for lots of reasons.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

The lack of common sense in this thread is disgusting. Why do people assume that everyone is always in fear of being scammed? Could it be that people actually never in their life were in danger of being scammed and therefore assume the same ingame?
What is that common sense? Is it inherited like red hair or does someone have to teach it to you?

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

no reason to be empathetic to ppl who didnt know any better.
besides the fact that the scammers played within the rules of the game - anything on the ground is up for grabs, they didnt use hax, etc - feeling sorry for somebody wont get them their item back.

Rehnahvah Gahro

Rehnahvah Gahro

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Underground

Rt/R

I like those full-time scammers. Have fun with them. Last time someone wanted me to drop my minipet I was trying to sell, I played dumb like 10 min to get his hopes up. I then dropped 1 Gold Coin and left, not without wishing him good luck next time.

I wonder if he actually took that coin, and if so: Did he feel something? Must have been a wonderful experience for him.

You can't get any lower than that, can you?

lordheinous

lordheinous

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
The lack of common sense in this thread is disgusting. Why do people assume that everyone is always in fear of being scammed? Could it be that people actually never in their life were in danger of being scammed and therefore assume the same ingame?
What is that common sense? Is it inherited like red hair or does someone have to teach it to you?
If someone was so sheltered, I'd go so far as to say that it may even be a good experience for them, as it may teach them to watch out in real life; better to lose a few pixels in an online game than real money in real life, imo.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

after working in customer service for many years I have come to the conclusion that people are just stereo-typically stupid....there can be no other explanation!

--though getting scammed is not something most people think about, so they just arent expecting it.....look at all the old people that get scammed everyday.....

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
The lack of common sense in this thread is disgusting. Why do people assume that everyone is always in fear of being scammed? Could it be that people actually never in their life were in danger of being scammed and therefore assume the same ingame?
What is that common sense? Is it inherited like red hair or does someone have to teach it to you?
well since im bored and hoping for an interesting discussion at 3am my time...
how should i come across the common sense that you wish there was more of in this thread? should i have inherited it or should somebody have taught me that some people might be more sheltered than me?

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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If it didn't work, it wouldn't be used by scammers.

Simply put, it wouldn't be the oldest trick in the book if it didn't trick anybody.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pesi
if everyone had my brain, gw would be rocket science.
Btw - I doubt that came across the way you wanted it to come come across.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu
Seriously people still fall for this trick and the 5g for 5k (gold instead of plat) trick.

Why because they are retarded, and stupid and they don't know any better
I actually don't consider that to be stupidity.
It's an "oops!"-moment.

RedNova88

RedNova88

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Behind you!

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Stupid is as stupid does.

Admiral Akbar should be programmed into every game to pop up on screen and shout "It's a trap!" at maximum volume to prevent these kinds of things from taking place.

That's the only way I can see this problem getting fixed...

EDIT: Haha exactly like that Rhamia

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008


IT'S A TRAP!!!



you mean like that?

Edge Martinez

Edge Martinez

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

NC

DKL

People were willing to pay big money for the new min-pet (my buddy who had quaffed a beetlejuice potion and followed me around). I have no doubt they'll easilly fall for the drop it on the ground scam.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

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Idiocracy. Sad but true.

Alexandra-Sweet

Alexandra-Sweet

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See it like this, it only happens to them once.

IF it happens twice they should have their brain checked because there's something seriously wrong.

Lakdav

Lakdav

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Join Date: Jun 2008

Me/N

well said. If they don't get the point of not trusting people after the 1st scam, they deserve no symphaty. But they dont deserve to be called idiots and retards only becouse they fell for it once...just leave them be. they already learned the lesson (in better cases), no need to call them names too.

silara_jorinset

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

AoFT

E/Me

You also have to remember the widespread demography of the game players. Most likely the ones scammed by this are young kids (11/12 years old and such) who often haven't had the life experiences to not trust people at face value.

Rothan Celt

Rothan Celt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

Aura

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I used to drop my voltic spear on the ground all the time then somone got me with ebon escape i vry almost lost it and i almost shat my pants

but hey just a voltic spear.

( i was teasing him not showing him what it looks like so he can buy)

Tatile

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by silara_jorinset
You also have to remember the widespread demography of the game players. Most likely the ones scammed by this are young kids (11/12 years old and such) who often haven't had the life experiences to not trust people at face value.
Surely they need to playing with parental supervision, if I remember the EULA correctly? Which would mean that the parent (usually with world experiences) would tell them that it's most likely a scam.

kobey

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

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I am quite amazed that there is something to be discussed regarding this topic. You people are never bored of the same topic

But I guess I am the same

Messy

Messy

huh?

Join Date: Jun 2005

Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila

Guildless

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When I read threads like this it honestly makes me ill to read some of the mean spirited replies.

Not every player is experienced, not every player walks around distrusting everybody, not every player has been scammed, not every player is an adult with enough experience to know better.

Players that have been scammed will hopefully learn from a very unfortunate situation. It's bad enough as it is, and they surely don't need your insults.

Why don't you send all that negative energy to the low life scammers? to the abusers that cheat and take advantage of people? They are the ones that deserve name calling.