Perma SF for UW Clear?
frankrules64
Okay so, I need crazy help. I cleared the UW HM a few times, ursan way...now I get kicked out any time I ping. My build is, Dash, DP, SF, then Golden fox strike, wild strike, Death blossom. And for energy management, Critical eye and Critical Agility...now I was doing just fine, pretty fast, until people laughed at my build and kicked me out when they asked me to ping. Now I'm wondering... what in the world IS the correct build, or A correct. Yes I know I can solo more ectos, but it's not as fun for me, so, help me out please?
Nightow
I believe it's an A/Me build using Mesmer PvE skills. (Don't have the build, sorry)
What my question is... why couldn't a A/E do the job? I find it a heck of a lot easier to run A/E rather than A/Me.
What my question is... why couldn't a A/E do the job? I find it a heck of a lot easier to run A/E rather than A/Me.
joshuarodger
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10290420
Nightow
Yes, that's the build, but again, can't a A/E do the same thing!? lol
frankrules64
ah, thanks for that link, still not sure what's wrong with what I've been using, its been clearing planes and guests before the bears are even ready
Axel Zinfandel
I personally don't know why people use the A/Me version either. A/E all the way.
Daldaen
The reason people kick you I believe, is because it's a dagger based build ie it is usually doing damage to only one target making it ineffective or slow. The A/Me with AoE skills (Alleigance title one, radiation field, cry of pain) easily clears beginning chamber and does unwanted quickly without scatter if done correctly. And as for A/E the times I've seen that run it takes longer because they scatter from lava font (if this is the build I think it is, Mark of Rodgorts and lava font). However it may be done without scatter with correct technique.
Nightow
. . . For no scatter, you just have to keep your hp below 100.
Not that hard folks. =\
Not that hard folks. =\
Marverick
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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
I personally don't know why people use the A/Me version either. A/E all the way.
Because I can kill all the Aataxes in the chamber in about 5 minutes, and usually get an ecto?
That way if I get a retarded behemoth spawn I don't waste my entrance fee.
That way if I get a retarded behemoth spawn I don't waste my entrance fee.
Nightow
Same here Marverick. Still don't see the logic in A/Me.
Super Igor
Well it is usually A/Me, because its faster aand generally better, A/E is meh, not good for chaos plains imo.
Nightow
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
Well it is usually A/Me, because its faster aand generally better, A/E is meh, not good for chaos plains imo.
A/Me can clear plains in less than like 25-29 minutes?
On a side note, I'd still go A/E just because it's damn easier than the other way. I've tried it but could never get the combo down right 100% of the time.
On a side note, I'd still go A/E just because it's damn easier than the other way. I've tried it but could never get the combo down right 100% of the time.
theonetheonlybruce
i got a question what a/e build are you using?
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by Marverick
Because I can kill all the Aataxes in the chamber in about 5 minutes, and usually get an ecto?
That way if I get a retarded behemoth spawn I don't waste my entrance fee. Holy hell 5 minutes? I can kill them way faster with A/E
That way if I get a retarded behemoth spawn I don't waste my entrance fee. Holy hell 5 minutes? I can kill them way faster with A/E
Nightow
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Originally Posted by theonetheonlybruce
i got a question what a/e build are you using?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...59&postcount=9
XzDazedzX
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Originally Posted by Nightow
. . . For no scatter, you just have to keep your hp below 100.
Not that hard folks. =\ Or you could learn how to hold aggro
Not that hard folks. =\ Or you could learn how to hold aggro
Nightow
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Originally Posted by XzDazedzX
Or you could learn how to hold aggro
I could never understand it, maybe that's why I never play my warrior. xD
I could never understand it, maybe that's why I never play my warrior. xD
scrawlerthebrave
It's possible to clear UW in 25 with A-E. And the 1 ecto in the beginning depends on how many ppl are in UW at that time. I beleve Mr. Undisclosed about the Aataxes killing in the beginning, just use the correct technique of holding aggro. Or keep your health around 80. I used to play A-Me before the update, but I prefer A-E. Oh and use a fiery weapon to burn away the last dreamriders, if they are trying to flee.
Telkandore
Which areas/quests of UW are permasins supposed to clear in a full clear group?
joshuarodger
i believe if you follow that link above, it explains the sin's job step-by-step.
Telkandore
Just tell me the areas/quests, please...
Krazi Bastid
if a/e can really perform the same role that the a/me can in that team build and in the same time if not faster, i would love to see. most of the time that i group with an a/e for a speed clear, they are so concerned of who gets to do plains aka farm, i just kick them.
heres the time frame for a sin's role in speed clear assuming ur team is competent
- chamber reaper popped at 3-4min
- unwanted (minus the one keeper ursan team kills, and also kill anything in the way of the ursan teams path up to the mountain entrance) taken at 5-6min,done at 9-10min
- - planes reaper popped at 15-17ish min OR
- if doing ice quest, QUEST done at 12-14, terrorwebs killed not really important cus once quest is done, u can take all the time u want to kill spiders.
heres the time frame for a sin's role in speed clear assuming ur team is competent
- chamber reaper popped at 3-4min
- unwanted (minus the one keeper ursan team kills, and also kill anything in the way of the ursan teams path up to the mountain entrance) taken at 5-6min,done at 9-10min
- - planes reaper popped at 15-17ish min OR
- if doing ice quest, QUEST done at 12-14, terrorwebs killed not really important cus once quest is done, u can take all the time u want to kill spiders.
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Nightow
A/Me can clear plains in less than like 25-29 minutes?
On a side note, I'd still go A/E just because it's damn easier than the other way. I've tried it but could never get the combo down right 100% of the time. Lolololol!! Sure it can, my record for chaos plains clear was like 15 minutes or something, for me especially for speedclears A/Me all the way, great damage, energy management and speed, besides if you can get A/Me combo 100% of time dont play assassin, just a protip.
On a side note, I'd still go A/E just because it's damn easier than the other way. I've tried it but could never get the combo down right 100% of the time. Lolololol!! Sure it can, my record for chaos plains clear was like 15 minutes or something, for me especially for speedclears A/Me all the way, great damage, energy management and speed, besides if you can get A/Me combo 100% of time dont play assassin, just a protip.
Nightow
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
Lolololol!! Sure it can, my record for chaos plains clear was like 15 minutes or something, for me especially for speedclears A/Me all the way, great damage, energy management and speed, besides if you can get A/Me combo 100% of time dont play assassin, just a protip.
Kekekeke, I think my stack of ectos along with several titles is proof enough for me to keep my 2 year old assassin, tyvm. Anyways, I'd rather join a guild group than a speed clear. Much more fun that way.
Kekekeke, I think my stack of ectos along with several titles is proof enough for me to keep my 2 year old assassin, tyvm. Anyways, I'd rather join a guild group than a speed clear. Much more fun that way.
Eric Clapton
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Originally Posted by Krazi Bastid
- unwanted (minus the one keeper ursan team kills, and also kill anything in the way of the ursan teams path up to the mountain entrance) taken at 5-6min,done at 9-10min.
Which keeper does the ursan team kill?
BlackSephir
Excuse me my boldness but shouldn't this thread be in the farming section?
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Nightow
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A/Me can clear plains in less than like 25-29 minutes?
On a side note, I'd still go A/E just because it's damn easier than the other way. I've tried it but could never get the combo down right 100% of the time. Is a proof enough for you not to keep your assassin or to stop posting.
Wont even mention my how cool my 2 year old assassin is, hehehe.
Besides, my guild does speedruns to uw how come your guild doesnt know how to do it, blunt ursan? Ew, no thanks.
On a side note, I'd still go A/E just because it's damn easier than the other way. I've tried it but could never get the combo down right 100% of the time. Is a proof enough for you not to keep your assassin or to stop posting.
Wont even mention my how cool my 2 year old assassin is, hehehe.
Besides, my guild does speedruns to uw how come your guild doesnt know how to do it, blunt ursan? Ew, no thanks.
Krazi Bastid
the keeper closest to vale is the one ursan team kills.
OP was askin about the sin build for uw speed clear, not the build for speed farm.
OP was askin about the sin build for uw speed clear, not the build for speed farm.
Super Igor
For speedclears I have said its either A/Me or A/E for unwanted + plains, I personally prefer A/Me and its A/D for bone pits usually.
FengShuiDove
Speed clear is
[Deadly Paradox][Arcane Echo][Shadow Form][Shadow of Haste][Ether Nightmare][Cry of Pain][Channeling][Spirit of Failure], where [Radiation Field] may replace Channeling if the individual is comfortable without the second e-management skill.
Done. Now it would have been easier if OP would have just followed the link, but where there's one super lazy person, there's gotta be a non-lazy one to counter him.
[Deadly Paradox][Arcane Echo][Shadow Form][Shadow of Haste][Ether Nightmare][Cry of Pain][Channeling][Spirit of Failure], where [Radiation Field] may replace Channeling if the individual is comfortable without the second e-management skill.
Done. Now it would have been easier if OP would have just followed the link, but where there's one super lazy person, there's gotta be a non-lazy one to counter him.
Super Igor
Well actually hell no, A/Me looks like this:
[build prof=a/me shadow=12+1+3 illusion=11 inspiration=6][deadly paradox][shadow form][channeling][ether nightmare][cry of pain][spirit of failure][clumsiness][wandering eye][/build]
That should be the general version of it, works with cons active only, I personally prefer [arcane echo] instead of [ether nightmare] atleast untill I max my luxon.
[build prof=a/me shadow=12+1+3 illusion=11 inspiration=6][deadly paradox][shadow form][channeling][ether nightmare][cry of pain][spirit of failure][clumsiness][wandering eye][/build]
That should be the general version of it, works with cons active only, I personally prefer [arcane echo] instead of [ether nightmare] atleast untill I max my luxon.
scrawlerthebrave
I personally prefer A/E, it's easy and it works ^^
Under 23 minutes Chaos Plains Cleared.
Under 23 minutes Chaos Plains Cleared.
Super Igor
Do you kill or skip the aataxes?
Kerria Rayie
ok let's clarify here. an a/e can not kill attaxes. we just do not have enough energy, due to their health regen. which is why a/me is used in speed clears. a/me is also used because of the fact that it is done in hm, which means unless u body block they will break aggro. a/me allows you to pick and choose who you want to kill, thus making aggro breaks mean nothing. and the original op is not lazy. i have been searching this forum for over 2 weeks now, for tips on doing uw speed clears, and there is not a single topic that i can find. all you are doing is giving them a link to the a/me solo farm build.
BlueNovember
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Originally Posted by Kerria Rayie
ok let's clarify here. an a/e can not kill attaxes. we just do not have enough energy, due to their health regen.
A/E can kill aataxes; MoR and Lavafont. Takes a few minutes though.
Edit: Below pertains to solo farm only;
Personally I skip aatxe and get "Clear the Chamber" done in under a minute, at Chaos planes by 4 mins, avoiding charged blackness.
Can run MoR/Liquid Flame/Flame djin's and avoid scatter in nm. Or Immolation/Phoenix.
I still can't beat a 24 minute time, normal mode. Don't see the draw in A/Me in hard mode; much much harder to ball mobs, and same ecto. (I think I am right in saying ecto drops are the same).
Edit: Below pertains to solo farm only;
Personally I skip aatxe and get "Clear the Chamber" done in under a minute, at Chaos planes by 4 mins, avoiding charged blackness.
Can run MoR/Liquid Flame/Flame djin's and avoid scatter in nm. Or Immolation/Phoenix.
I still can't beat a 24 minute time, normal mode. Don't see the draw in A/Me in hard mode; much much harder to ball mobs, and same ecto. (I think I am right in saying ecto drops are the same).
Krazi Bastid
op is askin whats the build for the uw speed clear team build. why are people posting up builds and times for their solo farms?
to the dude that says hes been lookin for 2 weeks for tips on the build, the first link someone posted is team build guide for uw speed clear. and this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10290901 is the sin guide to match up with that team build. been out for almost a month. notice the arcane echo sf chain aka before sf buff update so, just adjust ur skills a bit.
to the dude that says hes been lookin for 2 weeks for tips on the build, the first link someone posted is team build guide for uw speed clear. and this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10290901 is the sin guide to match up with that team build. been out for almost a month. notice the arcane echo sf chain aka before sf buff update so, just adjust ur skills a bit.
scrawlerthebrave
A-E can kill aatxes quite fast actually. Just don't make them scatter.
The forth fly
a A/E can kill the aatax np takes about 3 mins to kill the big mob at the start,start your chain let SF run out go down to 50 health do SF again run in get all argro
therangereminem
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Originally Posted by scrawlerthebrave
I personally prefer A/E, it's easy and it works ^^
Under 23 minutes Chaos Plains Cleared.
i always laugh at a/e fire builds for this , next run go into hard mode let me know how fast you are a/mesmer can clear in under 20 min nm and under 25 min harde mode
Under 23 minutes Chaos Plains Cleared.
i always laugh at a/e fire builds for this , next run go into hard mode let me know how fast you are a/mesmer can clear in under 20 min nm and under 25 min harde mode
therangereminem
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Originally Posted by BlueNovember
A/E can kill aataxes; MoR and Lavafont. Takes a few minutes though.
Edit: Below pertains to solo farm only;
Personally I skip aatxe and get "Clear the Chamber" done in under a minute, at Chaos planes by 4 mins, avoiding charged blackness.
Can run MoR/Liquid Flame/Flame djin's and avoid scatter in nm. Or Immolation/Phoenix.
I still can't beat a 24 minute time, normal mode. Don't see the draw in A/Me in hard mode; much much harder to ball mobs, and same ecto. (I think I am right in saying ecto drops are the same). tp not have them scater is easy in hm
follow this simple rule agroo everything you can drag them to a wall, keep all the agroo on one side of you, make sure you have the wall on your right , take a little step to your left
and they dont scatter
Edit: Below pertains to solo farm only;
Personally I skip aatxe and get "Clear the Chamber" done in under a minute, at Chaos planes by 4 mins, avoiding charged blackness.
Can run MoR/Liquid Flame/Flame djin's and avoid scatter in nm. Or Immolation/Phoenix.
I still can't beat a 24 minute time, normal mode. Don't see the draw in A/Me in hard mode; much much harder to ball mobs, and same ecto. (I think I am right in saying ecto drops are the same). tp not have them scater is easy in hm
follow this simple rule agroo everything you can drag them to a wall, keep all the agroo on one side of you, make sure you have the wall on your right , take a little step to your left
and they dont scatter