I wonder if buying other game's account with gw money is legal

voltz_Maker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

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Since my first day of gaming, i saw people selling runescape high level accounts for very cheap price like 15k. I always told them it was illegal and that they are going to be banned. But they said it was legal. I dont no who to trust. Please tell me if its legal to buy other game's account with gw money.


Thanks

xxDEEDSxx

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

sounds illegal to me. correct me if im wrong i havnt played runescape ina very long time..but i think in runescape its agianst the rules to BUY AND TRADE accounts if you buy themon runescape or if you buy them on guild wars your still buying them. now to the point of them getting banned if they buy them on guild wars no prob not because runescape cant prove you bought the account on guild wars. atleast thats what i think :P

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

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No. The use for in-game for currency for real-life or other-game material is still against the EULA. Just as if trying to buy in-game currency with real-life material.

And anyone who's selling RS accounts needs to get a life anyways.

PS: you won't get banned for it unless the trade actually happens. ANet's so careless these days that advertisement won't matter. Hell, I actually wouldn't doubt that you could get away with the trade. This however, is not to say that you should. I don't recommend any such form of trading.

The Red Messenger

The Red Messenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

America

can you buy boggle with monopoly money?

the whole thing is rediculous. anything you cant put in the trade window should not be traded. even selling/buying a guild is stupid to me.

Lawrence Chang

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

United States

[SOHE]

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Its illegal, but it SHOULD be legal.

Moral55

Moral55

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

SNOW

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It's a scam, and an obvious one too.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang
Its illegal, but it SHOULD be legal.
And your an idiot. Its illegal to save support from idiots like you who bought these so called high lvl accounts.

Lawrence Chang

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

United States

[SOHE]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
And your an idiot. Its illegal to save support from idiots like you who bought these so called high lvl accounts.
Uhm no. I'm saying it should be legal to at least sell what you already paid for.

Ex : GW accounts. We paid money for the key/acc/game, yet Anet is preventing us from selling what we already bought.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Illegal? No, it doesn't violate any criminal laws or regulations.

Unlawful? Yes, it violates the EULA for both GW and Runescape, which are (at least in some jurisdictions) binding contracts.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

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we don't technically buy the game...we are technically renting server space. That's the best way I can put it. All the content, our accounts etc belong to Anet, we are simply paying for the right to USE it...

KZaske

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

The doctrine of first sale may apply here. As recently proven in court, this doctrine over-rides the EULA. If you want to sell your account, you can as long as you transferr everything directly related to that account. I think they need to update the EULA for the United States.

What court case? Ask Autocad or e-bay. Here is a link: http://aecnews.com/news/2008/05/21/3414.aspx

Sometimes I wonder why anyone would accept virtual money, but what ever floats your boat.
Edit: I would like to point out that is you buy the account with virtual money and for the doctrine to apply, you should recieve the manuals, boxes and software CDs. Without those items I do not think you could make a case that the doctrine actually applies.

Fanita

Fanita

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2008

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I see people buying RuneScape accounts all the time and I'm not going to lie, I want nothing more than to jip them. Such idiots! How stupid can you be to even try buying a RuneScape account on Guild Wars? Hmm, would it be bannable for me to teach these nerds a lesson about buying RuneScape accounts?

Leonhart

Leonhart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Ascalon City

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All I think of when people try buying ingame GW accounts are idiotic people that actually agree like: i.e.

Buyer: I'll pay you 500k to your account if you sell your account
Fool *thinks its a great deal*
Fool *Accepts 500k onto account and then gives the info to the buyer*
Buyer *is now inpossession of a new account with 500k on it*

I mean if people are selling their accounts which I'd assume they would not play GW anymore so what would they do this with ingame money?

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang
Uhm no. I'm saying it should be legal to at least sell what you already paid for.

Ex : GW accounts. We paid money for the key/acc/game, yet Anet is preventing us from selling what we already bought.

No i think the guy calling you an Idiot would be the best thing to say.

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by pamelf
we don't technically buy the game...we are technically renting server space. That's the best way I can put it. All the content, our accounts etc belong to Anet, we are simply paying for the right to USE it...

Yes that is correct

Riotgear

Riotgear

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Join Date: Aug 2006

The Objective Is More [Cash]

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What you bought is a license. It's the same thing as buying a ticket to an amusement park, all you get is a conditional and revocable privilege to enter the park. In the case of Guild Wars, it is a not a transferable license, which is stated no less than 4 times in the user agreement, so the only person that is allowed to use your account is you (or strictly speaking, a minor you're the parent/guardian of).

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

Also, read section 4(c) if you want to know how much you own, and remember that you agreed to that provision multiple times.

As for the Autodesk case, keep in mind that Guild Wars is not simply about owning a copy of a piece of software, it's about having a license to access the service as well. Enforcing the non-transferable nature of event tickets, for example, has stood the test of time quite well.

GaaaaaH

GaaaaaH

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

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It breaks the EULA, and thus is disallowed

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang
Uhm no. I'm saying it should be legal to at least sell what you already paid for.

Ex : GW accounts. We paid money for the key/acc/game, yet Anet is preventing us from selling what we already bought.
You paid money for access to the game. You don't even own your account, ArenaNet does (said in the EULA). They have the right to ban you for anything they want and there is nothing you can do about it (well, you can argue with support, but good luck there). They won't, but they can. They could very well just ban you for having 5 e's in your characters name if they so wanted, because all you pay for is access, they set the rules, and they say you can't sell your game for irl money, which means if you get caught, they will ban you easily.

Syn Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

can you buy boggle with monopoly money?... lolol i thought that bit was humorous,

dont buy any other game with gw money , majority of the time too 100 % of the time is just a a scam, ive seen those players trying to do that myself, i just laugh along with many others, if ur playing gw , why would u want to go play something like runescape, ?? oO ./shrugs

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

I report all account buyers. Report always responds saying that they have verified a violation and banned/suspended the account.

I'd say that's pretty definitive proof of a bad idea.

Covah

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ontario, Canada

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Me/Rt

When you give someone the money you have already scammed yourself. The person can just give fake account info. (which is usually the case every time)

KZaske

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Riotgear

As for the Autodesk case, keep in mind that Guild Wars is not simply about owning a copy of a piece of software, it's about having a license to access the service as well. Enforcing the non-transferable nature of event tickets, for example, has stood the test of time quite well.
The primary difference I see between this topic and the Autodesk case is the fact that Autodesk products do not need to connect to a server to be functional. Either way, EULA's of the type used by Anet have yet to be tested in court. It would be interesting how the courts rule on it. It is my hope that transferring account ownership for virtual money does indead violate both the EULA and law.

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

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It's against the rules, end of story, no more need be said.