A Reply to those who Desire PvE Challenge (skill > time)

yes the game was better in good old days when you could maintain 30+ minions with your imba MM :P
imma trollin

I like this idea a lot. Especially because of the no pve-skills. Even tho I'm already vanquishing like this atm. Would be nice to have a special mode for it aswel.

so, /signed.

can you please stop disregarding or destroying such a basic game design mechanic as difficulty? honestly. even my 10 year old sister gets difficulty, why it is there, and how it works, yet you just slouch there and disregard it like no ones business. Stuff is meant to be harder than other harder, some stuff is meant to require more skill than other stuff, and some stuff is meant to give a better reward for its difficulty. Whether you like it or not 99% (read: most of) the world is materialistic. Why do you think titles work? Because people like rewards. There is very few people who are "all about the journey", because if the people getting titles didn't think it was fun (ie: enjoying the journey) they wouldn't do it anyways.

Better idea: just limit usage of consumables and PvE skills to NM areas. You know, make this thing called Hard Mode slightly Hard or something.

So you wish to create yet another mode of gameplay that is open to only those with 7 live people that are availible to play right when your ready to play and have all the time you have to spend on that particular mission/dungeon/elite zone/ect...and want to do the exact same thing as you....

/not signed...this just sounds like another attempt at creating a better farming mode.

/signed
i'd love to see the "elite" back in "elite area"
with those PvE skills i really don't notice any challenge anymore at all
HM turns practically in NM

I like everything about that.

Except no heroes. That's a big no-no for me.

/notsigned.

As a lesser important thing that I believe you missed, to prevent farming in this mode, is to require parties in Challenge Mode to be full.

Everyone? No, it'd just be the same, tiny group of people that want everything hand-fed to them. The majority isn't even going to notice this.

Hey, it's not like you have to do it. lulz!

/signed, even though I would like to use some heroes and henchies and I don't agree too well with the loot and money drops.

@Shayne: Fully agreed about requiring parties to be full.

yea that is quite a nono
if you don't have enough people for the group you're screwed

Eh so basically HM h/h with no cons and less allowable dp? Anet has better things to do.

please read it all
it says no heroes or henches

hey looks, someone wants the whole game to be like DoA on release, holy trinity only. This would hurt the game more than anything else, because most classes will just be ignored (sins, rits, mesmer, paragon, derv). Also think of the 4 man missions, or worse the 3 man one, where would these classes fit in.

Btw, I finished vanquisher and guardian b4 sunspear pve skills were added. This wasn't much of a challege to be honest, and this exactly what this idea is suggesting.
/unsign for idea that bring back holy trinity

As someone else said... guild-only HM-grind for title and leet drops. Noty.

/notsigned

Good, I feel the same about your threads.

i do care a shit about what you feel .

Would you have read everythign I posted there, then you'd understand, why I've written that ...

3 times gold drops
3 times rare material drops
All chests net gold items

YUP, sounds like a farming thread to me.

@ Pheonix Tears - Man, did someone piss in your Corn Flakes or what? Reguardless you just made one of the worst posts ever.

Honestly a simple PvE overhaul would be fine. Mix up mobs and skills in each area/mission. I mean how long have certain areas and missions been EXACTLY the same for? Mix them up, add different mobs and different skills, just mix it up some so it's not the "same old same old" every where.

And here was I thinking that the people who want to be challenged are the ones that put more emphasis on the journey.
Since why would it make sense to gimp ourselves with no consumables, heroes, PvE skills, title-benefits, .... - if the point was to get to the goal as easy as possible?

Well, I can't talk about the size of the groups - but we can say that the groups is being listened to. How else do you explain all the crutches we are getting otherwise?
So if you remove the desire of this group to take part in this mode - there is no need to make the mode accessible for these guys.
And that just leaves us the question - will the people who this mode would be designed for do it for the rewards or the added challenge?
And considering the title of the thread - I'd say that being challenged is the priority here.

Wow, you, of all the people... Now all we need is Tender Wolf to support it.

I read it all. You'd only be substituting h/h with real players which in no way makes it any more difficult except of course actually finding a group.

A bunch of great ideas there!

A challenging PvE with only properely balanced skills, no cons, no heroes, etc. receives a big /SIGNED from me.

In fact this is how Hard Mode should have looked like...

Keeper of Challenges should stop all the potential farming abuse, nice idea there.

But for making a 3rd difficulty level the rewards aren't worth it imho. It's just 1 title... although a Grandmaster Challenger would be more meaningfull than a GWaMM.
And triple gold drop rates are triple compared to HM or NM? if HM then it would be just sick, insane amounts of worthless golds feeding the merch.

And there's still some potential for abuse, for example Chest Running in Challenge mode just for the 100% golds.