Hi,
Still "playing" my way through Prophecies with my three Characters--Ranger, Warrior, Elementist. But after arriving at the desert where everyone just wants to run or be run through the game I found it difficult to get a party of "Players" together. This is an old gripe from a former message where some of the great folks here offered up to play through and that was great and worked for a while. Well anyway to the point of this post (sorry for the rant).
I went and got NightFall as suggested here and have raised a few heroes to help out but still enjoy the interaction of other players. So I join parties in NightFall to level up my heroes and so forth. Well this weekend I ran into a few situations where parties were advertised with the condition Masters Only. I also joined one group and was bluntly told -- Masters Only -- and kicked.
Now I know that the mission rewards in NightFall have a Masters level which gives more experience and reward and certainly I have no problem questing to complete at Masters level. But is there something else going on here that would distinguish a player as a Master or not a Master. Or am I just plain confused???
Joe
NightFall -- Masters / Masters Only?
monk463
Bryant Again
That's a pretty interesting question. Did you ask anything after you joined the group, or did they just kick you on invite?
Either way, it sounds like you ran into just a couple of annoying players and that you did nothing wrong.
Either way, it sounds like you ran into just a couple of annoying players and that you did nothing wrong.
Kayelyyb
to get the protector title in nightfall you have to have finished the missions with masters, what u ran into was title seekers and not regular pugs. you can thank the hall of monuments for all of these nubs that make it hard on regular gamers.
super strokey
Sounds like you ran into jerks from eotn that refuse to run anything but ursan if you pinged your build and then suddenly you got dropped. Honestly on some levels like seborah (the small mission with the 3 gates, cant remember the spelling). having 1 or 2 mms is better than all ursans imho, especially ones with order of undeath.
super strokey
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Originally Posted by Kayelyyb
to get the protector title in nightfall you have to have finished the missions with masters, what u ran into was title seekers and not regular pugs. you can thank the hall of monuments for all of these nubs that make it hard on regular gamers.
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Kerwyn Nasilan
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to get the protector title in nightfall you have to have finished the missions with masters, what u ran into was title seekers and not regular pugs. you can thank the hall of monuments for all of these nubs that make it hard on regular gamers.
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Molock
I think they might of been doing HM but didn't announce it. If that is not the case there was no reason to simply kick you like that, unless of course they were just a-holes.
monk463
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yeah he knows that but how could they have known is all, he got dropped as soon as he joined. SO unless hes not level 20 i dont think that makes sense.
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So from the answers so far it is just a few elitist wanna-be's running around screaming "Master's rule!" (this happened in a group I finally was able to join) and not some kind of indicator for my character?
Himm_Taeguk
Could it be a Master of Whisper's heros only party, i.e. not Margrid the Sly?
Have you chosen one of these two heros yet?
They are exclusive until you complete the last mission and limit what missions you can do, i.e Dzagoner Bastion is a Master of Whispers mission and Dasha Vestibule is a Margrid the Sly mission.
See the Guild Wiki page on Heros for more info on how it all hangs together.
HTH...
Have you chosen one of these two heros yet?
They are exclusive until you complete the last mission and limit what missions you can do, i.e Dzagoner Bastion is a Master of Whispers mission and Dasha Vestibule is a Margrid the Sly mission.
See the Guild Wiki page on Heros for more info on how it all hangs together.
HTH...
Jetdoc
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Originally Posted by monk463
Now I know that the mission rewards in NightFall have a Masters level which gives more experience and reward and certainly I have no problem questing to complete at Masters level.
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Kayelyyb
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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan
No need to be jealous.
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Proff
It was either your level or your build even though it doesn't really matter at the point of the game that you're at. You probably just joined a group of assholes.
Kyomi Tachibana
Sounds like your average pug idiocy slash rudeness to me.
ccruzp
you sure u didnt ask a question that completly gave away the fact that you didnt know the master condition wich is easly screwed up in some miss? maybe they needed more of a certain class u didnt happen to be? maybe they were runnign ursan and saw u didnt show your slayer title so they kicked you knowing they werent competent enought to do it randonly pugging? maybe they are a-holes? my 2 cents.
Kook~NBK~
You ran into some idiots. There's nothing to distinguish you as a regular player or a "Masters" player. The reason for this lack of distinction is simple: There's no such thing!
I wouldn't let the "masters" thing deter you from joining a group, because the worst thing that could happen is that you end up going a bit out of your way to kill a few extra enemies (Blacktide Den comes to mind), or your party fails to keep at least 5 of 6 defenses intact for Dzagonur Bastion (if that's the case, then they wouldn't get masters with or without you!).
Afterthought: Are you sure they weren't looking to do the mission in Hard Mode? Because if you haven't completed the story-line with one character, you can't do things in HM. I have kicked people who don't have access to HM from my parties when doing HM missions. Hopefully, when I explain to them why they can't come along, they don't think I'm being a jerk.
I wouldn't let the "masters" thing deter you from joining a group, because the worst thing that could happen is that you end up going a bit out of your way to kill a few extra enemies (Blacktide Den comes to mind), or your party fails to keep at least 5 of 6 defenses intact for Dzagonur Bastion (if that's the case, then they wouldn't get masters with or without you!).
Afterthought: Are you sure they weren't looking to do the mission in Hard Mode? Because if you haven't completed the story-line with one character, you can't do things in HM. I have kicked people who don't have access to HM from my parties when doing HM missions. Hopefully, when I explain to them why they can't come along, they don't think I'm being a jerk.
monk463
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Could it be a Master of Whisper's heros only party, i.e. not Margrid the Sly?
Have you chosen one of these two heroes yet? They are exclusive until you complete the last mission and limit what missions you can do, i.e Dzagoner Bastion is a Master of Whispers mission and Dasha Vestibule is a Margrid the Sly mission. See the Guild Wiki page on Heros for more info on how it all hangs together. HTH... |
trankle
I'm guessing the above poster is correct, and that the party was looking for Hard Mode masters. As soon as you joined the party, they would know that your account doesn't have HM Nightfall unlocked, and would probably kick you without debate. (Not that it wouldn't have been nicer to explain it to you first)
Do you recall whether they were advertising for "HM Masters" or "NM Masters"?
Do you recall whether they were advertising for "HM Masters" or "NM Masters"?
monk463
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I'm guessing the above poster is correct, and that the party was looking for Hard Mode masters. As soon as you joined the party, they would know that your account doesn't have HM Nightfall unlocked, and would probably kick you without debate. (Not that it wouldn't have been nicer to explain it to you first)
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Well it seems this is a non-issue other than some possible rudeness it was just the way it happened and then the in joining a follow up group and seeing the war cry of "Masters Rule" that made it seem like I was missing something.
As always thanks to all and see ya around Tyria and now Elona
FengShuiDove
Kodonur is cake for Master's... I'm guessing you just ran into some snobs that thought they were great and probably weren't.
Sorry to hear about that... keep trying though =). PUGs can be a very rewarding experience if you're lucky enough to get a good one or good enough to organize a decent run.
Sorry to hear about that... keep trying though =). PUGs can be a very rewarding experience if you're lucky enough to get a good one or good enough to organize a decent run.
Melinda1984
what doesn't make sense to me and please correct me if I'm wrong but you have to complete the mission while completing a certain goal at the same time to get masters reward
while in proph you can get the bonus and then leave but you still get the bonus
so if they have to complete the miss to get masters anyway why not take a person who hasn't done the mission before?
do you get something different if you get masters in hard mode than if you do it in normal mode?
while in proph you can get the bonus and then leave but you still get the bonus
so if they have to complete the miss to get masters anyway why not take a person who hasn't done the mission before?
do you get something different if you get masters in hard mode than if you do it in normal mode?
Kumu Honua
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I am familiar with the HM requirement and no it was not advertised as Hard Mode. It is possible that this group failed to advertise it and realized I wasn't. It is just that the accepted my join request, then in team chat asked--Can we help you? To which I replied--Doing Mission? and that is when I got--Masters only--and kicked.
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It actually looks to me like they had advertised a mission party request, and you invited yourself without contacting them. Then when you were accepted in the group they asked what you wanted. Then instead of answering their question you asked your own in the same manner the invite spammers do.
I hate the invite spammers...
monk463
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From your lack of ability to describe the situation fully without pulling teeth...
It actually looks to me like they had advertised a mission party request, and you invited yourself without contacting them. Then when you were accepted in the group they asked what you wanted. Then instead of answering their question you asked your own in the same manner the invite spammers do. I hate the invite spammers... |
Again sorry for not making my self clear--and again thanks to all for the replies and I am happy to have this thread closed with satisfactory answers.
KamikazeChicken
They probably wanted to do Hard Mode, and you haven't completed that campaign?
Beren985
Do not be worried about this. There is no such think as a "master player", and you probably only happened to run into a group of idiots, that is it. If you are trying to get your way through Nightfall into PUGs, I'm sure it will not be your last time.
Lyndka
Probably much as nearly everyone else said - the team was being snobbish, and very probably kids showing off armour and greens.
Also, it's likely the same team that stand in Sifhalla only looking for Ursan (only used it in the quest that gave it - killed Duncan and completed my handbooks without) - so I can't be much of a player
It was unfair though for them not to make clear they were going for Masters - and also to judge that you weren't able to help without a ping or even talking!
It seems to be the way of GW, it attracts a share of idiots and sensible people and 'show offs' - though thankfully the sensible people seem to be the majority (and the longest players)!
Also, it's likely the same team that stand in Sifhalla only looking for Ursan (only used it in the quest that gave it - killed Duncan and completed my handbooks without) - so I can't be much of a player
It was unfair though for them not to make clear they were going for Masters - and also to judge that you weren't able to help without a ping or even talking!
It seems to be the way of GW, it attracts a share of idiots and sensible people and 'show offs' - though thankfully the sensible people seem to be the majority (and the longest players)!
Star Gazer
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Sounds like your average pug idiocy slash rudeness to me.
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Cahalith
Don't worry about it. PUGs aren't always nice. I've been in a few really great ones, but sometimes people are just rude and condescending, just like in high school.
Stuart444
I'm glad I don't PUG much, the only times I have used PUGs, they have been nice and we got through the mission good enough.
however alot of people in this game are little 13 year olds who think cool armor = better than people without it/with normal armor.
Don't let this deter you from PUGs or even people in general in Guild wars lol ^_^
however alot of people in this game are little 13 year olds who think cool armor = better than people without it/with normal armor.
Don't let this deter you from PUGs or even people in general in Guild wars lol ^_^
Admeus Flay
I left Guild Wars a long time ago and am just coming back. Is there an easy way to tell which of my previously completed missions have already been done at master's level? I'm trying to play through past missions for master's with heroes/henchmen, but don't want to repeat missions I'd already achieved master's on.
Any help would be appreciated.
Any help would be appreciated.
EroChrono
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So I join parties in NightFall to level up my heroes and so forth.
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If you want to play with other people but avoid the pug scumbags, you'd probably be better off finding a nice guild. But then again, not a whole lot of guilds are actively playing missions on NM these days.
Taki
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I left Guild Wars a long time ago and am just coming back. Is there an easy way to tell which of my previously completed missions have already been done at master's level? I'm trying to play through past missions for master's with heroes/henchmen, but don't want to repeat missions I'd already achieved master's on.
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For Factions, there are two spears and a sword or some combo of three weapons - one for normal, expert, masters.
Nightfall is similar to factions with the three spears/sword/whatever depending on normal, expert, masters completion
dilan155
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you sure u didnt ask a question that completly gave away the fact that you didnt know the master condition wich is easly screwed up in some miss? maybe they needed more of a certain class u didnt happen to be? maybe they were runnign ursan and saw u didnt show your slayer title so they kicked you knowing they werent competent enought to do it randonly pugging? maybe they are a-holes? my 2 cents.
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illidan009
DOuches from eotn....bleaah. Then again I like titles in my HoM too...but seeing as I average less than 1 hour a day for the near 3 years I've had this that's not saying much at all.
pumpkin pie
Monk463,
Those are the players that failed to play the game the first time round, if they were any good, they would have completed the game with master rewards in the first round. Therefore in their insecure state of mind, that they might have to redo the mission once more and fail once more, they kick anyone and everyone that they think are bad in their little mind.
Ever wander why sometime you can team up nicely with xx player and not with yy players? because we did not learn to coordinate with them, if you can coordinate with any other players even if you think their skill bars is are crappy, than you become a real good players, MMORPG, you meet all sorts of people, if you are in this environment and keep calling every one else noob, then look in the mirror. So, don't sweat it Monk463, those are only bad players who can't "play together with other players" well.
Those are the players that failed to play the game the first time round, if they were any good, they would have completed the game with master rewards in the first round. Therefore in their insecure state of mind, that they might have to redo the mission once more and fail once more, they kick anyone and everyone that they think are bad in their little mind.
Ever wander why sometime you can team up nicely with xx player and not with yy players? because we did not learn to coordinate with them, if you can coordinate with any other players even if you think their skill bars is are crappy, than you become a real good players, MMORPG, you meet all sorts of people, if you are in this environment and keep calling every one else noob, then look in the mirror. So, don't sweat it Monk463, those are only bad players who can't "play together with other players" well.
zwei2stein
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Hi,
... I went and got NightFall as suggested here and have raised a few heroes to help out but still enjoy the interaction of other players. So I join parties in NightFall to level up my heroes and so forth. Well this weekend I ran into a few situations where parties were advertised with the condition Masters Only. I also joined one group and was bluntly told -- Masters Only -- and kicked. ... Joe |
Or you displayed no/low rank title?
Or you had weird profession combination?
Can't blame goal-oriented pugs for not taking risks really.
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Anyhow, you did not complete att quests if you bailed out at begining of desert, it would be obvious if you pinged skills and would net you kick anyway.
assassin shaun
you just ran into a group of title grinding idiots that make playing with others boring as all they want is to get MASTERS reward there isn't any actual team play its just to get the title
Painbringer
Yeah looks like title seekers. I too am working on Masters for my Mesmer in Nightfall but I guess I still would never kick a member that joined the group unless something justified happened (like rude / Jack a$$ behavior) Elitism is for the birds unless you are in the hardcore areas and Nightfall is not a hardcore area. Maybe they were looking for an answer like “Masters is ok” or maybe they kicked because of your class.
emberlights
hehe...maybe they only wanted minion "masters"
Darcy
Rudeness rules in PuGs. My guildmate was helping me do Grand Court of Sebelkeh for Masters. A lone dervish was looking for mission party, so I invited him and dropped a hero. Well, we finished at Expert level, so I commented tlhat we would have to do over as I needed Master. He left without a word.
Now I wasn't blaming him for lack of speed (second try was over 7 mins), but he didn't so much as say goodbye, just left. That to me is also rude.
@OP - you didn't mention "Bonus" when you said what you were after. PuG of idiots didn't ask further, but assumed you hadn't done it before and would not be familiar with the mission/bonus requirements. Thus they felt you would be a hindrance in what was probably their umpteenth attempt at Master.
Now I wasn't blaming him for lack of speed (second try was over 7 mins), but he didn't so much as say goodbye, just left. That to me is also rude.
@OP - you didn't mention "Bonus" when you said what you were after. PuG of idiots didn't ask further, but assumed you hadn't done it before and would not be familiar with the mission/bonus requirements. Thus they felt you would be a hindrance in what was probably their umpteenth attempt at Master.