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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
I personally cannot see GW2 being an epic failure. I can see it:
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If you didnt like WoW, chances are you wont like GW2 either.
A-net has Guild Wars out of hand, If GW2 fails then this is the end, Do you agree?
bhavv
If you didnt like WoW, chances are you wont like GW2 either.
Uber Mass
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Originally Posted by bhavv
More levels? WoW Clone?
If you didnt like WoW, chances are you wont like GW2 either. |
Lothlorian Sassun
They Sky is Falling!! The Sky is Falling!! OH NO!!! HELP US DEAR LORD!
GW is fine. Lots of players still playing. New people start playing the game all the time. The old farts might be getting bored of it. The game has been out for over 3 years now after all. I personally am working on my Hall of Monuments so I can be disappointed when GW2 comes out and the crap items I may or may not receive for maxing 25 titles and filling my hall
But it has been fun.. I still play every day to chat with guildies and do a few quests or missions with friends. I am currently helping to crash the Ecto market with my Perma Sin. We as players really have no control over content or what ANET decides to do so it makes little since to QQ about it.
GW is fine. Lots of players still playing. New people start playing the game all the time. The old farts might be getting bored of it. The game has been out for over 3 years now after all. I personally am working on my Hall of Monuments so I can be disappointed when GW2 comes out and the crap items I may or may not receive for maxing 25 titles and filling my hall
But it has been fun.. I still play every day to chat with guildies and do a few quests or missions with friends. I am currently helping to crash the Ecto market with my Perma Sin. We as players really have no control over content or what ANET decides to do so it makes little since to QQ about it.
AscalonWarrior
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Originally Posted by bhavv
That gives it a much higher chance of dying.
With no fees, they have no money coming in, so need to rely on selling more copies in order to maintain their servers. Unfortunately, if they mess up again with GW2, they arent going to have much of a future for GW. |
On-Topic:
Let's just wait some time until GW2 beta comes out and re-make this thread after trying the beta.
Kumu Honua
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Originally Posted by bhavv
That gives it a much higher chance of dying.
With no fees, they have no money coming in, so need to rely on selling more copies in order to maintain their servers. Unfortunately, if they mess up again with GW2, they arent going to have much of a future for GW. |
Heck, Everquest 1 is still going strong and it's ANCIENT.
X Tigercat X
most pvers are going to buy gw2 anyway because why waste all that time you spent title hunting and not get the rewards
most people are going to buy gw2 even if its good or not
this thread is stupid please delete
most people are going to buy gw2 even if its good or not
this thread is stupid please delete
HawkofStorms
NC.soft released its 1st quarter profit reports for this year over a month ago.
GW is making the most money of all NC.Soft's games, including City of Heroes, which has a monthly fee.
GW is making a LOT of money. It's not Halo or WoW money... but they are doing pretty well, better then 99% of the bargain bin games in the video game community that fail to turn a profit. GW won't die. Try doing your research next time instead of speculating and trying to spread panic.
GW is making the most money of all NC.Soft's games, including City of Heroes, which has a monthly fee.
GW is making a LOT of money. It's not Halo or WoW money... but they are doing pretty well, better then 99% of the bargain bin games in the video game community that fail to turn a profit. GW won't die. Try doing your research next time instead of speculating and trying to spread panic.
Darksun
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More levels? WoW Clone?
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Edge Martinez
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Originally Posted by super strokey
I thought about conan but i think aion or stargate will get my buck.
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pamelf
GW2 will bring a whole NEW community of players into the fold. I never played the original diablo, but I did play Diablo II for instance.
While a huge number of GW2 players will be rollovers from GW1 an equally large number will be people who found nothing to interest them in the original Gw, but do in it's second chapter.
Not to mention, just because people stop playing Guild Wars before the release of GW2 does not mean they won't buy GW2. There was a huge amount of time that passed between the release of Warcraft II and III for instance. People just played something else until it came out. People have been waiting three years for EA's Spore and are still willing to buy it. Hell, Aion has been advertised for as long as GW has been out, which is over 3 years...
Just because interest will wane in GW1 (and it will in time, it is inevitable) does not mean doom for an unreleased GW2.
While a huge number of GW2 players will be rollovers from GW1 an equally large number will be people who found nothing to interest them in the original Gw, but do in it's second chapter.
Not to mention, just because people stop playing Guild Wars before the release of GW2 does not mean they won't buy GW2. There was a huge amount of time that passed between the release of Warcraft II and III for instance. People just played something else until it came out. People have been waiting three years for EA's Spore and are still willing to buy it. Hell, Aion has been advertised for as long as GW has been out, which is over 3 years...
Just because interest will wane in GW1 (and it will in time, it is inevitable) does not mean doom for an unreleased GW2.
Age
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
I think thats a little too far away, i wouldnt doubt it would come out in 2009.
2010 even fewer will care anymore if they dont decide to make more content for 1 |
Xx_Sorin_xX
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Mark Nevermiss
I think the OP made a legitimate forecast; yet from the responses its obvious there are still many die hard guild wars fans who can see no wrong in their game and will not accept any finger pointing.
From my own experience with other online games I played before; GW will still be played by a small community who are happy within familiar surroundings, much like Lineage 1 is still played despite being outdated and all. A-Net will probably still support this game so long as its feasible to maintain servers and support staff.
There are differences, however, between say a game such as old Lineage 1 and GW1:
- NCSoft continues to release new content for their old game because they still have a sizable community in Korea.
- NCSoft is a big company that has several titles to live off and therefore can afford a mishap here or there, unlike A-Net, who will be probably be cut loose if they should screw up with GW2.
A-Net is definitely counting on the GW1 player base to be the backbone of the future GW2 community, but thats a gamble with high stakes. We don't know what other titles will be competing at the release date of GW2.
All this is definitely conjecture and time will show, its their jobs and money/time investment. I for one wish them good luck, but whether or not I will playing GW2 or indeed any other online games in 2 years is tooooooooo early to say.
From my own experience with other online games I played before; GW will still be played by a small community who are happy within familiar surroundings, much like Lineage 1 is still played despite being outdated and all. A-Net will probably still support this game so long as its feasible to maintain servers and support staff.
There are differences, however, between say a game such as old Lineage 1 and GW1:
- NCSoft continues to release new content for their old game because they still have a sizable community in Korea.
- NCSoft is a big company that has several titles to live off and therefore can afford a mishap here or there, unlike A-Net, who will be probably be cut loose if they should screw up with GW2.
A-Net is definitely counting on the GW1 player base to be the backbone of the future GW2 community, but thats a gamble with high stakes. We don't know what other titles will be competing at the release date of GW2.
All this is definitely conjecture and time will show, its their jobs and money/time investment. I for one wish them good luck, but whether or not I will playing GW2 or indeed any other online games in 2 years is tooooooooo early to say.
FoxBat
GW will have 1-2 years of no expansions to get nice and stagnant, with characters that might take forever to title up, but just a week's investment to get very functional. On top of that your useless "look at me" titles can be shown off in GW2 as well. The situation is quite different from your average MMO sequel, where the devs have done everything to keep the original alive up till the sequel is relased, (bad idea IMO) and then ask you to dump one supergrind investment for starting over.
The only significant community that might hang around is the PvP one, and that's just because GW1 still has no competition. If GW2 were to let down as big as say Quake4 did, people will just stick with the original. This is however an insignificant market next to the "no monthly fee" PvE only masses, who need new content.
I don't expect it to have a big impact on sales, but the latest directions (PvP/E split, propogation of rediculous ursan/ether renewal/shadow form, bad pvp balance, etc.) do feel like heading off the deep end, and don't give me any reason to trust developer judgement in GW2.
The only significant community that might hang around is the PvP one, and that's just because GW1 still has no competition. If GW2 were to let down as big as say Quake4 did, people will just stick with the original. This is however an insignificant market next to the "no monthly fee" PvE only masses, who need new content.
I don't expect it to have a big impact on sales, but the latest directions (PvP/E split, propogation of rediculous ursan/ether renewal/shadow form, bad pvp balance, etc.) do feel like heading off the deep end, and don't give me any reason to trust developer judgement in GW2.
4thVariety
What exactly is forcing you to only play one game?
What is death supposed to mean? The original plan was to sell retail packages and Arenanet did that. It's not like they require subscription money to stay alive. So why should there be a problem when people decide that playing GW for 500h is enough. I want to see the people who play GTA4 or MGS4 for 500h. Games are not eternal, most are gone after eight weeks, some survive for two years. Teenager might fool themselves into thinking that this game is the shjt and forever, but that's an illusion, at least it was until EA and Nintendo turned it into a business model / recycling plan. BFF is a lie!
What is death supposed to mean? The original plan was to sell retail packages and Arenanet did that. It's not like they require subscription money to stay alive. So why should there be a problem when people decide that playing GW for 500h is enough. I want to see the people who play GTA4 or MGS4 for 500h. Games are not eternal, most are gone after eight weeks, some survive for two years. Teenager might fool themselves into thinking that this game is the shjt and forever, but that's an illusion, at least it was until EA and Nintendo turned it into a business model / recycling plan. BFF is a lie!
NickelPlate
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NC.soft released its 1st quarter profit reports for this year over a month ago.
GW is making the most money of all NC.Soft's games, including City of Heroes, which has a monthly fee. GW is making a LOT of money. It's not Halo or WoW money... but they are doing pretty well, better then 99% of the bargain bin games in the video game community that fail to turn a profit. GW won't die. Try doing your research next time instead of speculating and trying to spread panic. |
Anet are not moving along without some sort of business plan. If GW wasn't profitable, it would've likely shutdown along time ago and they wouldn't be making a GW2.
ilipol
It doesn't matter if 1 year or 5 have passed between GW 1 and 2, if someone enjoyed GW and learns GW2 is out, I'm sure if he/she's still into games will give it a look.
And If GW2 is a good game people will buy it. If it isn't they won't.
It's the same with all games...
And If GW2 is a good game people will buy it. If it isn't they won't.
It's the same with all games...
JR
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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua
I'm pretty sure that the company can siphon off income from monthly fees from City of Heroes, Tabula Rasa, Lineage and Aion (When released) as well as income from sales of GW2 to keep GW1 alive for quite some time.
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City of Heroes is doing ok, probably just over breaking even. Tabula Rasa was a flop that cost NCSoft millions. Lineage II still has a decent player base in Korea, and has been NCSofts financial backbone for a while, but it is dying off faster and faster as new MMOs release. Aion has a decent shot, but if it ends up being a failure I think NCSoft might be in trouble. Not huge trouble, they are too big for that, but enough to shake things up a bit and maybe enough for them to push ArenaNet to release GW2 early to bring in some revenue.
As for the OP, you have done nothing but say 'If Guild Wars 2 fails ArenaNet will be in trouble', which seems fairly obvious. You also propose the rather counter-productive solution of them taking people OFF GW2 and putting them back onto Guild Wars.
ArenaNet will be fine. Guild Wars is doing well enough to keep them floating happily untill GW2 releases, and I see very little chance of GW2 being a flop. It may not be a true sequel, a game that fans of the original will like, but it will almost certainly be good. I have enough faith in them as a developer to say that.
pumpkin pie
you make it sound like its a life and death situation,
this is how it will goes for me:
buy guild wars 2 when it comes out, play to see how I like it, if its really really disappointing then who cares, i probably give it away to some friends
But I really really doubt it will be bad. Keep fingers and toes all crossed
this is how it will goes for me:
buy guild wars 2 when it comes out, play to see how I like it, if its really really disappointing then who cares, i probably give it away to some friends
But I really really doubt it will be bad. Keep fingers and toes all crossed
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Darksun
Which games have followed this pattern?
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Hellgate: London, for one. Not much other "good" ones come to mind. I'm simply saying that labelling it as "free to play" doesn't have the edge it used to. But given how great GW1's presentation was I'm sure it's still going to sell very well. It also doesn't hurt that all of GW1's campaigns all got very decent scores, so now ANet has a nice catalog of goodness.
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Personally, I want A.net to take their time and make GW2 right before releasing it early to avoid flagshipping GW2 and make it the failure that is Hellgate London v.2.0. Keep in mind why Blizzard games were so high quality--they were delayed to hell and back to make sure most of things are good, then released the games and only needed to make small adjustments through patches. Did we all rage about them getting delayed? yes. But were the end product really good? also yes
I will reserve judgement on GW2. I'm not that big into title grinding/HoM, and I'm pretty sure alot of people that did title grind will still want to wait and see what the benefits are before buying the sequel. Personally I'm in the original GW for the storyline element and the gameplay (although the gameplay's been crappy for a long time now, grab a pvx build/Ursan, get sabway, rambo through everything). If GW2's too grindy or inherits the current GW1 no skill gameplay, I'll pass, as I can learn the story eventually through wikis
Kyuzo_Kujii
Content and gameplay... will GW2 reflect these needs? Free to play isnt everything.
Lagg
One word, one latin numeral: Diablo III.
They need to get Guild Wars 2 out before it.
They need to get Guild Wars 2 out before it.
Buster
I'm not worried that GW2 will fail at all. Infact I think GW2 is going to be one of the best mmo games when released. We have guys such as Jeff Strain, James Phinney, Mike O'Brien, Daniel Dociu and others who have been very successful in the mmo business before they became Arenanet. That should say alot right there.
bhavv
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This is the worst, least substantiated statement in this thread. Guild Wars would have to do SO MUCH to turn into WoW it's not even funny.. Stop pretending "no levels" = WoW.. geez..
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Just like WoW.
Seriously, how is GW2 going to be anything like GW1 when it is ommiting all of the features that made GW1 so good and appeal to the players that played it?
GW2 isnt going to be anything like GW1, if it can be compared to another game, it is closer to WoW then it will be to GW1.
Aerian_Skybane
These are my favorite threads/theories.
You know why? Because they answer their own dumb question in the title/question.
"If GW2 fails, then it is the end." Um. Duh. If GW2 is bad, then it will not do as well, people will not buy it as much, there will be less of a community, less money made for ANet. GW1 will slow down over time, just like any game, and possibly get shut down or opened to private server base to keep its lineage. I mean, seriously, this question is so pointless, why bring up another sky-is-falling thread? Seriously guys, seriously.
You know why? Because they answer their own dumb question in the title/question.
"If GW2 fails, then it is the end." Um. Duh. If GW2 is bad, then it will not do as well, people will not buy it as much, there will be less of a community, less money made for ANet. GW1 will slow down over time, just like any game, and possibly get shut down or opened to private server base to keep its lineage. I mean, seriously, this question is so pointless, why bring up another sky-is-falling thread? Seriously guys, seriously.
The Great Al
After playing single-player RPGs, its really hard to jump back into it. I played through Oblivion, and I'm playing Fable now, and just the sheer interactivity of the environment and open endedness of those games is so fresh and exciting for me. I understand that any MMO will be severely limited compared to an offline RPG. But after playing RPGs with interactive environments, and non dice-rolling fighting, and NO GRIND, it's hard to jump back into GW.
Bryant Again
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Oh wait, there arent even going to be heroes and henchmen in GW2, it is going to be you soloing with a pet in an open non instanced world ....
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But unlike WoW it sounds like you'll be able to solo *all* of GW2's content.
Liberations
Not exactly "free" but still very cheap seeing as each GW game costs at the very most 40 USD without a monthly fee.
As long as Guild Wars 2 is as good as Prophecies was or better when it came out then I don't care what they do with Guild Wars 1 in the meantime.
As long as Guild Wars 2 is as good as Prophecies was or better when it came out then I don't care what they do with Guild Wars 1 in the meantime.
Liberations
What I would really like is if they opened up a server when Guild Wars 2 comes out that lets you play Guild Wars from when it first started, with bug fixes and very well recieved updates thrown in.
The Great Al
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Not exactly "free" but still very cheap seeing as each GW game costs at the very most 40 USD without a monthly fee.
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I know that GW2 will have a huge level cap, but, let's face it, unless Anet to a certain extent forgets about their 'skill over time" philosophy, the game will have the exact same problem. If I've played 500 hours, I want my character to be more powerful than someone who's played 30. I don't want to be able to find a weapon within the first 20 or so hours of gameplay, that has the exact same stats as a weapon that my character uses 2 years and 600 hours later. I am by no means a fan of grind, but I would rather grind with a purpose, than grind to maybe obtain a weapon that has a nicer skin, but no better functionality than a 2k collector's weapon. If the only difference between a level 80 and a level 40 is that the level 80 can display a title, or gets a special mini pet, then IMO the game is destined to failure. They got away with it in GW1 because it was new, but if GW2 suffers from the same problems, it'll just feel exactly like the game that many of us have already gotten bored with.
bhavv
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WoW wasn't the first to implement "soloing" and "pets", you know. I feel like I'm going to find closer comparisons with TES series and Diablo.
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The main point of GW was its originality. it is losing quite a lot of what made it original to make GW2 more mainstream and appealing to more players.
CHannum
I don't even begin to understand these threads. I don't care how super-awesome-incredible a game is, games don't last forever. Most are worn out and ready to be retired in less than two months, a choice few might make it a few months, and it's a very rare game that will holds people's attention into the several month range. Even MMOs that do get consistent refreshes won't entertain the majority of subscribers for more than a couple of years.
You buy a game, you play it, when you get tired of it, you go do something else, that's it. There is no necessary relationship for the larger game market between the no-lifes' inability to conceive that maybe they might have to actually go do something else before GW2 and the quality and success of GW2.
I don't care when GW2 comes out. I've been playing GW for about 8 months, still haven't done everything, and knowing me, I never will do everything. It's already broken every record there is for entertaining me, and when I reach the point that I just don't feel like playing it anymore, that's precisely what I'll do. When GW2 does come out, depending on if I have a machine that will handle it, you bet I'll pick it up based on my satisfaction with GW1.
I've said this before, but it fits this thread well: Every game I've ever played in nearly three decades of being a gamer would be lucky to be as bad of a game as Guild Wars.
You buy a game, you play it, when you get tired of it, you go do something else, that's it. There is no necessary relationship for the larger game market between the no-lifes' inability to conceive that maybe they might have to actually go do something else before GW2 and the quality and success of GW2.
I don't care when GW2 comes out. I've been playing GW for about 8 months, still haven't done everything, and knowing me, I never will do everything. It's already broken every record there is for entertaining me, and when I reach the point that I just don't feel like playing it anymore, that's precisely what I'll do. When GW2 does come out, depending on if I have a machine that will handle it, you bet I'll pick it up based on my satisfaction with GW1.
I've said this before, but it fits this thread well: Every game I've ever played in nearly three decades of being a gamer would be lucky to be as bad of a game as Guild Wars.
Angelica
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Regina is the new one right? I dont know i dont think i have heard one thing yet
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Thizzle
Guild Wars has survived it's life span, it's time to move on. I got banned awhile ago and I was ready to quit anyway. You need to just try and find something else to do. I personally talk on message boards and still play other games. I have a strong feeling we'll see a Guild Wars 2 BETA late 2008 and a release in 2009 which is what a lot of gaming sites have said.