Perma SF- Do I need to buy EotN?

MagicSpewer

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2008

Ok so there are SF threads stacked like fatties at a free buffet, but I have not found what I'm looking for, sorry if this is a repeat of a thread somewhere.

Basically, I want to run my sin as a A/E perma SF, but don't have GoS- so, does that mean the A/E build is pretty much impossible for me? I would really rather go A/E than A/Me. Aside from the fact that the A/Me builds I found seem more annoying to maintain than an A/E (especially since I'm newbie at this and the UW, so keeping an eye on arcane echo and everything else while trying to find my way through the UW like a lost tourist doesn't seem like fun), some also use the Factions PvE-only skill and no ty, I don't want to get 100,000 faction to get it.

So- what it comes down to, I guess, other than buying Eotn (which I don't want; if I did get it it would just be for GoS, yay, Anet 1 : Me 0) is:

Is there a non-EotN, non grindy-ish PvE only skill A/E solo SF build I can run? And if not, how about one for A/Me that doesn't use Ether Nightmare? If you have one, please post. (And I have all of the other campaigns, though I'm iin the early-Elona part of NF.)

Infectious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

New Zealand FTW

Ex Talionis [Law]

At a guess, without using cons/items, no.
EOTN has a few other decent skills, more notabley, Ursan for PvE......

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Short answer - yes. You need EotN.

Longer answer - it can be run using the A/Me version but it takes way more coordination/skill to actually run and if you'd rather be an A/E then you're just screwed. You could technically using consumables be a perma-SF A/E but then you'd have to buy craploads of consumables from people at higher prices than they can be made in EotN (yet more reason why you'd really be better buying it).

Also the beauty of [Ether Nightmare] is that it's a strong hex spell that hits all enemies in the area, meaning [Cry of Pain] can be cast on anyone at any time to do your damage. Here's the best one I can come up with replacing it:

[Deadly Paradox][Arcane Echo][Shadow Form][Spirit of Failure][Soothing Images][Cry of Pain][Viper's Defense][Dark Escape]

MagicSpewer

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2008

Thank you for the replies. Oh well, I guess I can buy EotN sometime for $10-$15 online. I definitely would not pay the price they charge in the GW store. :O Until then, looks like I'll have to try a dif UW build on another char.

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
Here's the best one I can come up with replacing it:

[Deadly Paradox][Arcane Echo][Shadow Form][Spirit of Failure][Soothing Images][Cry of Pain][Viper's Defense][Dark Escape] Would that be ultra-slow, having only [Viper's Defense] as offense?

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

This is why A-net buffed it, now you have to buy EotN for GoS, NF for DP, and factions for SF, its a brilliant marketing stragegy. Just get EotN it has some mildly redeeming features+ ursan I guess

Cry of pain is an offense too

ccruzp

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Clumsiness and Wandering Eye*(thats also eotn) are also good dmg for a A/Me or Me/A SFer,just mind your energy

Kyomi Tachibana

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Oregon, USA

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

P/W

You can buy a celerity off of someone and just use Deadly Paradox+SF to keep it up. However that can get pricey unless you have a guild member craft them for you.

viper11025

viper11025

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

02/18/05 (Pm me with the place, its a riddle)

A/

you inspire me time for feather farmin

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Uhm run A/Me, it isnt much different, slower or harder, you have access to key a/me skills without eye anyway which are [ether nightmare] which you dont rly need to take you have [spirit of failure] alrdy for a hex and [cry of pain], people who cant run a/me well, suck and must uninstall srsly.

Kyomi Tachibana

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Oregon, USA

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor
Uhm run A/Me, it isnt much different, slower or harder, you have access to key a/me skills without eye anyway which are [ether nightmare] which you dont rly need to take you have [spirit of failure] alrdy for a hex and [cry of pain], people who cant run a/me well, suck and must uninstall srsly. It's not hard running the A/Me build, it's just troublesome, having to keep track of how long SF has been up and when to use the echo'd version. I'd rather go A/E and use the easy way so I can watch TV or talk on the phone whilst gettin' rich.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana
It's not hard running the A/Me build, it's just troublesome, having to keep track of how long SF has been up and when to use the echo'd version. I'd rather go A/E and use the easy way so I can watch TV or talk on the phone whilst gettin' rich. Glad I am not the only one who watches tv while getting rich. But honestly I would buy eotn for perma shadow.

NYC Elite

NYC Elite

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

A/

If you don't want to run your only non-EotN options using [Cry of Pain] and [Ether Nightmare], then yes, you need to buy EotN.