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Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 08:13 - 1

Ive been having this for a while now and its getting progressively worse.

It happeneds everywhere....and its very annoying, try pvping like that!

Anyone experienced this before?

AMD Athlon 64 x2
2 gig ram
Radeon x1900 Vid card

Thoughts?

More screens available, but they are roughly the same.

Thanks in advance,
-Tiki

Lord Sojar

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Mo/Me

19 Jun 2008 at 08:38 - 2

Oh, geometry shader errors. Those are ALWAYS "fun".

Go through the standard steps first.

Uninstall and reinstall the newest graphics drivers from AMD/ATi.

Check your card temperatures using the Catalyst Control Center. Please post them here for me to see.

Give a bit more info about your PC, such as motherboard manufacturer and model, graphics card manufacturer and exact model, RAM manufacturer, speed, and type, etc. The more info, the better.

Once we have these tidbits of info, we can take this to level 2 diagnosis. As of right now, you don't want to hear my thoughts (you will cry)

If you are having issues getting any of this info, you can use this program to get it. This is a 30 day trial of the software. It will suffice for the needed info and also diagnosing issues.

http://www.lavalys.com/products/down...&frm=0&lang=en

Just fill in the needed info and make sure you don't subscribe to the newsletter unless you actually want it.

Download and install. Get the info, and post the specifics here like I said above. Update you after that.

Alex Dimitri

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N/Mo

19 Jun 2008 at 10:20 - 3

Bad stuff i don`t wanna scare u but these are the "first" signs of grafic card dying on u.Happened to me few times before !

Pesi

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Me/

19 Jun 2008 at 13:44 - 4

I played my first 3 months like, that and i didnt care much about it lol.
But when the factions pre release came, it just dissapeared.
I still kept my comp for a long while, but my GFX card died like a year ago now.

Ghryphon

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Mo/

19 Jun 2008 at 14:30 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Oh, geometry shader errors. Those are ALWAYS "fun".

Go through the standard steps first.

Uninstall and reinstall the newest graphics drivers from AMD/ATi.

Check your card temperatures using the Catalyst Control Center. Please post them here for me to see.

Give a bit more info about your PC, such as motherboard manufacturer and model, graphics card manufacturer and exact model, RAM manufacturer, speed, and type, etc. The more info, the better.

Once we have these tidbits of info, we can take this to level 2 diagnosis. As of right now, you don't want to hear my thoughts (you will cry)

If you are having issues getting any of this info, you can use this program to get it. This is a 30 day trial of the software. It will suffice for the needed info and also diagnosing issues.

http://www.lavalys.com/products/down...&frm=0&lang=en

Just fill in the needed info and make sure you don't subscribe to the newsletter unless you actually want it.

Download and install. Get the info, and post the specifics here like I said above. Update you after that.

Thank you to all responses..and I was fearing it was the vid card dying on me.

Here is the info you requested.

Mobo: Foxconn 6100K8MA-RS 939 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD
Ram: 2 Gig OCZ High Performance Dual Channel 184-Pin DDR 400 PC 3200
Processor:AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 2.0GHz Socket 939 Dual-Core Model ADA3800BVBOX
Vid Card: connect3D 3058 Radeon X1900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 CrossFire Ready Video Card
Current Temp: 61 Degress C (141 Degrees Fahrenheit, which REALLY cant be good I Imagine.....)

There is most of what you asked for

Thank you again.

-Tiki

**Im not running dual vid cards for crossfire, just the single one** Also nothing is over clocked or had anything done to it.

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

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R/

19 Jun 2008 at 14:37 - 6

61C idling temp? is that the CPU or graphics card? either way, it sounds a little high. i don't know much about the X1000 series, but i'm pretty sure it shouldn't idle that high.

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 14:46 - 7

Thats the graphics card temp, should have stated that sorry

And yea...thats a tad high I think

Now with GW Runing, its 74 Celsius (165 Degrees F)

**EDIT** And its still increasing

Now 81 C (177 F)

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 14:55 - 8

Ok...I hit 200 F and it hard crashed on me....I think I can pretty much diagnose this as a vid card failure.....

I need suggestions on a new quality card that wont get over heated this badly lol....I dont want to spend a fortune, just something thats nice and compatible with my fairly crap mobo. Just want to run gw is all for now, I will upgrade when gw2 hits the stores in the next...3 years

Any suggestions? Around the 130-150 price range.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224

I was thinking something like that.

moriz

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R/

19 Jun 2008 at 15:03 - 9

a quick search told me that the X1900GT goes up to 85C at full load. either way, 200F (is that 90C+ ?) is very high. that's the operating temperature of a geforce 8800GTX.

the cheapest 8800GT i can find is this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16814127329R

whether you go with cheaper versions is up to you.

zamial

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N/

19 Jun 2008 at 15:04 - 10

the 8800gt is a great card. i run 2 in sli. if your mobo has a pci-e slot then yes. the only other suggestion i would make is change up manufactuers to evga. They have truly excellent support.

like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130318

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:07 - 11

Thank you for the input...since my last post I crashed twice....Im cursed now that I posted this.

I dont have the ability to run SLI sadly, unless I up the mobo which I may consider doing. I need to find one that runs the ram and CPU that I have though. Ill look around.

Any other thoughts and ideas? Thanks so much for help.

moriz

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:08 - 12

you've more or less reached the end of the upgrade path with your current setup, i'm afraid. any additional upgrade you make is like burning money.

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:11 - 13

I used to be a pretty tech savvy person but not so much anymore. I dont imagine I can use my current RAM in something like this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131246

Nevermind that question...I just threw this setup together for SLI. Do I need anything else?

ASUS M2N-SLI AM2 NVIDIA nForce 560 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131246R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131246R
ASUS EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
Item #: N82E16814121224
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224
ASUS EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
Item #: N82E16814121224
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224
SUPER TALENT 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model T800UX4GC5 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820609218
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609218

imnotyourmother

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:24 - 14

I had the same thing. The ground would turn all white on me and could not see and stuff. I did a virus scan and found something. It cured the thing and now I am gtg

Ghryphon

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Mo/

19 Jun 2008 at 15:25 - 15

Ive ran a few virus scans through Norten and has found nothing. Same thing goes for spyware

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:33 - 16

Ok here is what I am looking at buying today....need quick thoughts

JetWay JHA06 AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813153113
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813153113
ASUS EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814121224 (2 of these to run SLI)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224
OCZ SLI-Ready Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2N800SR4GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227269
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227269

Thanks so much.

zamial

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N/

19 Jun 2008 at 15:40 - 17

dont forget arctic silver5 and maybe a bigger power supply, depends on how big/kind you have now. also, I have no opinon on that mobo I have never heard of that company before. If it is junk there is always rma.

ON the 8800gt box the recommended psu is a 500watt.

I use that ram and see this vid card yet? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130318

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:42 - 18

Yea on the mobo I figure itll be ok.

I love that RAM and am decided on that.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130347

Thats what I originally put in my new cart, how are those cards?

Also my PS is 500w

The main reason for the vid card I posted, was for the cooling system that it comes with

zamial

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N/

19 Jun 2008 at 15:46 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghryphon

Yea on the mobo I figure itll be ok.

I love that RAM and am decided on that.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130347

Thats what I originally put in my new cart, how are those cards?

Also my PS is 500w

The main reason for the vid card I posted, was for the cooling system that it comes with

AKIMBO is the evga after market cooler, you will be very happy with that. for 10 bucks over my suggestion it rocks.

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:48 - 20

Exactly what I was hoping to hear thank you. Ill pick those cards and that RAM set, but the mobo...is that SLI ready? I swear it is but for some reason when I look I cant find it.

moriz

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R/

19 Jun 2008 at 15:50 - 21

it has two PCI-E 16x 2.0, so it should support SLI.

also, you'll probably want a beefier power supply and processor. going SLI needs additional power, and you'll be horribly bottlenecked by your current CPU.

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 15:53 - 22

Arg thats what I was afraid of, I dont want to wrap up a fortune in a new system (grad student who has enough bills) Haha.

Might need to kick it down to a single card for time being and upgrade to SLI at a later date.

Ok, say I upgrade the PS to 680 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817709015)

Can I go without updating my CPU for time being?

Changed mobo to this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157128

zamial

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19 Jun 2008 at 16:04 - 23

I would go back to ocz ram, the 1 akimbo card, the jetdac mobo. unless you play crysis you will be just fine with that.

this is why, at that point you dont have a kings ransom invested, both amd and intel should be rolling out new chips at or near the end of this year, THAT is when to pick you pony,so to speak, and build a new system. AS 1: the older parts will plumit in price and 2: if you want to get up on the bleeding edge that is the time to do it.

moriz

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19 Jun 2008 at 16:07 - 24

if you're willing to wait, the new radeons are coming out next week. by all indications, the HD4850 gives a significant jump over the 8800GT for approximately the same price (~$200 US, but probably a bit higher).

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 16:08 - 25

Exactly I dont do much aside of GW and GW2 when and if that ever comes out, so I dont need anything extensive.

Ill do OCZ ram, that jetdac mobo, and 1 of those akimbo cards.

I will not upgrade the PS, or anything else for that matter, just those 3 items. Hopefully thats everything needed to run.

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 16:08 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

if you're willing to wait, the new radeons are coming out next week. by all indications, the HD4850 gives a significant jump over the 8800GT for approximately the same price (~$200 US, but probably a bit higher).

Im not sure my current setup will last a week or so to be honest lol.

Ghryphon

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19 Jun 2008 at 17:13 - 27

Update....

I upgraded some things (drivers and such) and my graphical errrors are GONE. Still run @ 80 C though which sucks

Just wanted to say THANK YOU! To those who put a lot of time responding to me, its appreciated greatly

Ghryphon

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23 Jun 2008 at 16:31 - 28

Alright its back.....

After 2 days of peace, and no issues...the graphical errors are back and worse then ever. I have not bought anything new but fear that I need to soon....

Any last chance efforts to save my current setup?

moriz

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23 Jun 2008 at 17:55 - 29

yeah, i guess the card is really dying then.

if you have a cheapie card to act as a stand in however, it might be wise to go with it and wait until the end of the year. intel's nehalem cpu will be released then, and according to rajah, it will blow your socks off.

i see your mobo comes with 6100 IGP... it will run GW and is pretty fast for an IGP, but you'll take a large performance hit regardless.

Ghryphon

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23 Jun 2008 at 21:05 - 30

I was afraid of that..

Imma go ahead and order what was talked about earlier, itll get me by and ill rebuy a new system when gw2 hits the stores.

Thanks

Lord Sojar

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24 Jun 2008 at 00:01 - 31

No, only nVidia chipset boards are SLi ready. That is an AMD board. You will want to go with the new ATi 4850 cards if you are not going to switch processors.

I would recommend if you have the money, going with an AMD based system using the new 790FX motherboard and 2x 4870 or 4850 cards (whichever your budget allows ) You will have to wait until July 1st to get both types of cards.

Here is the 4850.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161235

Get two and Crossfire them with this board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136044

Oh, and it is time to upgrade the CPU, and you will have to get new RAM. Here are my recommendations.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103244

Cheap, unlocked multiplier, easy to overclock to 2.8-3.0GHz on air cooling. Nice little CPU, great price. Not an Intel, but pretty close.

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166

Now, that is a cheap, higher performance PC for ya. Go go!

OR: Yes, you wait for Nehalem. 4.5GHz on air cooling is fun.

Gotta say, this chip is mighty powerful. It also has an integrated memory controller, which is interesting to design for (I am on Nehalem project) This was a fight we got into today after a VERY long day.

Ghryphon

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24 Jun 2008 at 02:15 - 32

Thanks Rahja for posting that, much appreciated.

Im not going to invest a whole ton at the moment, just something to get me by for now till end of year when or when gw2 rolls out. Ill invest a lot more into a nice new system.

Ill keep all that in mind

Thanks again

Lord Sojar

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24 Jun 2008 at 02:21 - 33

When Nehalem comes out... well, basically the world is going to explode from this things speed. Albeit, my intern David is annoying the crap out of me regarding resistor compensation theory, and I am about to explode or fire him (leaning more toward the explode part, as I don't want to fire him)

Ghryphon

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24 Jun 2008 at 03:33 - 34

Do you have a link to this Nehalem CPU? Im out of the loop in regards to new technology.

Lord Sojar

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24 Jun 2008 at 08:10 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghryphon

Do you have a link to this Nehalem CPU? Im out of the loop in regards to new technology.

Well, I can't link you to my research as that breaks any NDA that I have from both Intel and nVidia (NDA = non disclosure agreement).

However, Anandtech had some rough samples of Nehalem they grabbed. Check out this article for at least some information. These chips are even faster and more powerful than their tests reveal though, as their testbed was very very bad (little to no development for it at this point, at least on the finishing touches that give the major performance boosts)

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3326&p=9

Enjoy the read.