alter mhenlo's skill bar in GWEN

payne

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

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just a thing that I have found that could improve the ability of hench monks...remove vigirous spirit from mhenlo's bar...it is used so terribly because of the bad AI on it...so thats it..remove it as its so badly used as this could probs help with improving monk hench...not the AI but an improvement in the hench!

this may have been said before but I am about to go to work and haven't got time to check!

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Can't we just have a suggestion saying "Alter the skill bars of every henchmen"?

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

Can't we just alter this suggestion to allowing 7 heroes?

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

OP: Henches are meant to be kinda weaker than players and heroes. Vigorous spirit is liability, but i can guarantee you, Mhelo as he is is much better than most human or hero monks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pamelf
Can't we just alter this suggestion to allowing 7 heroes?
Yes. We can.

Cheshiresmirk

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

Canada

D/Mo

That wouldn't be too bad actually, as I've wanted that option since I got Nightfall. However, I'm still a bit iffy considering henchies don't suffer from DP(which is probably the only good thing about them) and Heores do, unless I'm mistaken?

Edit: Okay, thanks for the clear up. ^_^
And yes, I'd definitely like to see an option for a hero party.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

You are. Henchies do suffer from DP.

Wipe once on the boss in HoS, and watch Pyroclastic Blast wipe you in 1 hit if you're a grouped party.

Artisan Archer

Artisan Archer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Free Wind

R/

There's a bug with hero's DP.
Sometimes when a hero has a morale boost, he doesn't suffer from DP the next times he dies. But other then that, yes, they suffer DP

joshuarodger

joshuarodger

Unbanned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] -- IGN: Swirly

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artisan Archer
There's a bug with hero's DP.
Sometimes when a hero has a morale boost, he doesn't suffer from DP the next times he dies. But other then that, yes, they suffer DP
the question was really about henchmen and their DP. with heroes, you probably gave one of them [[death pact]. if the person who was rezzed dies then whoever used DPS dies also but doesn't suffer from death penalty. or maybe they got hit by a boulder or something like that, no DP from those deaths either.

on topic, i definitely think mhenlo could do without vigorous spirit. that skill is one of two reasons i don't take him. the other being he doesn't have aegis on his bar.

Mitchel

Mitchel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Almkerk, The Netherlands

P/W

We really need a way to change Hench bars, yup
/signed

legacyofkain85

legacyofkain85

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

imo they should never had added heroes to the game,insted make henchman in to heroes,imagine having mhenlo on your team with your skill bar of choice and equipment of choice

Covah

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ontario, Canada

Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ]

Me/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
imo they should never had added heroes to the game,insted make henchman in to heroes,imagine having mhenlo on your team with your skill bar of choice and equipment of choice
Might as well give Alesia an axe and shield.


Henchmen should have the builds that they have in the Bison Tournament.

dilan155

dilan155

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

living room

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Covah
Henchmen should have the builds that they have in the Bison Tournament.
um... ew( i know your being sarcastic btw so am i )

Proff

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

Before you complain about the builds in eotn take a look at what they've got in prophecies and factions.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Proff
Before you complain about the builds in eotn take a look at what they've got in prophecies and factions.
Quoted for epic amounts of truth.

Seriously, I don't like a lot of their bars, but you can't tell me they're not better than they were.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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EN builds are an improvement as stated above this post. I do wish that the older bars were improved though. and what was said about henchmen becoming heroes, that would be grand for the 5 henchmen that are in all games (Devona, Cynn, Eve, Mhenlo, Aiden). Make Devona use a sword for once, like in the trailer for Prophecies.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by zelgadissan
Quoted for epic amounts of truth.

Seriously, I don't like a lot of their bars, but you can't tell me they're not better than they were.
They're better than before. So? Mhenlo in EOTN still has Vigorous Spirit and Orison of healing. And Lina in EOTN has Guardian, but no Aegis. Are we supposed to be happy about that?

Martin Firestorm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Louisiana

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by pamelf
Can't we just alter this suggestion to allowing 7 heroes?
Or let us build the henches' sklill bars and equipment and make them persistent. :P

Quote:
Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
imo they should never had added heroes to the game,insted make henchman in to heroes,imagine having mhenlo on your team with your skill bar of choice and equipment of choice
Ok, I was making a joke, but since you seem serious, the difference between these modded henches and heroes would be...what exactly?

joshuarodger

joshuarodger

Unbanned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] -- IGN: Swirly

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
imo they should never had added heroes to the game,insted make henchman in to heroes,imagine having mhenlo on your team with your skill bar of choice and equipment of choice
ooohh... good idea!!! then imagine changing his name to dunkoro or ogden, or better yet making him a her and calling her tahlkora.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

It is fine lets not messs with henchies.I would like to see Lina get back Aegis.

Captain Herbalife

Captain Herbalife

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Central United States

The Lords of Doom [LOD]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by payne
just a thing that I have found that could improve the ability of hench monks...remove vigirous spirit from mhenlo's bar...it is used so terribly because of the bad AI on it...so thats it..remove it as its so badly used as this could probs help with improving monk hench...not the AI but an improvement in the hench!

this may have been said before but I am about to go to work and haven't got time to check!
/not signed
Use the Hero Ogden which you get as soon as you get to GW:EN.
People bitch about the henchmen too much. Stop being cheap and
setup/use your heros. Its what they are for.

And to joshuarodger....hehehehe,funny,very funny. I cracked on your comment.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Proff
Before you complain about the builds in eotn take a look at what they've got in prophecies and factions.
Win.

Their bars have improved heaps since Prophecies. They're never going to be perfect, they're always going to have a bad skill or two (or all). Mhenlo is better than a lot of human monks playing Guild Wars.

/notsigned

Sai Rith

Sai Rith

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/

I prefer the ability to make the henchmen's bar to your liking.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Win.
Really? Since when "it's crappy but it's less crappy than before" equals win?


Quote:
Use the Hero Ogden which you get as soon as you get to GW:EN.
I'd like to hear how are you using Ogden when there are already 3 heroes in your team. Please, elaborate.

Quote:
It is fine lets not messs with henchies.I would like to see Lina get back Aegis.
Wonderful, can't make up your mind? It's either leave it or mess with it.

Miska Bow

Miska Bow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles

Order of the Divine WoodChuck

R/

For the sum of his accomplishments Menlho should be hang by his **** during DragonFest.

Seriously most henchies a better then the average pug. Please dont mess with them.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Proff
Before you complain about the builds in eotn take a look at what they've got in prophecies and factions.
I forgot to mention this in my first post but atleast in Prophecies Alesia and Lina do know how to kite something Mhenlos doesn't do to well and that goes the same with those in Factions and I can't stand Sister Tai with BLight instead of WoH and Sig of Dev..I would say that Devona is best in all campaigns atleast she makes for a good free runner in NF somthing I miss in EoTN.