Consets...

whats a conset :P

No actually the statement "Nerf Shadowform" is epic fail.

If you want to form PUG, you pay solely for the consets. Unless you decide against using it. Same rule as who should pay the 1k for the Underworld pass in the olden days.

Here's a better thought. Don't pug.

Pugging is great........

FoW pug groups are the best i have seen Dumb Ursans suicide because of Spiteful spirit, then insult the monk.

The experience gained from pugging is the best, you learn how not to be a Dumb F**K.

So basicly.. You think the terras are being cheap, for not wanting to pay for both conssets, while youre being absolutely fair, by not wanting to even chip in 1850 g for 2 conssets? Wow.
The ectos you get in the UW runs are unpredictable, and irelevant for whom they cons should be brought of imo. If so, then why shouldnt the one with the shiny gloves, and the spikey armor pay? He must be kinda rich?
When youre forming an UW speedrun PuG, i am assuming that you want to do a fast UW run. E/A terras, which is the fastest requires conssets, and you can by that say that the conssetsare needed. If youre too damn cheap to chip in for cons, then make a group of E/Me terras, and an a A/E perma sin that dont need cons.
Oh and to that r10 ursan is hard to reach. /Doh

Good. If you do not intend to chip in 1850 g, then i dont think you will be very popular in any pugs.

try the norn farm then
the ursans gather up on an enemy while he's enchanted with [sympathetic visage] and keep hitting him
every ursan near that enemy can say byebye to his energy

I never ever said i don't intend on helping, though i haven't actually said it i do intend on trying to bring rez scrolls or morale boosters, DP removers etc.. and also i suggested a fair system of using consets where everyone brings part of the set. I only said that the terras should be contributing more then the rest of the group to help mak ethings a bit more fair, even paying for the consets, they are still making more, imo thats fair to them still, and the personal attack is absolutely not necessary at all... As to your comment about making the guy with the "spikey" armor pay, its simple to see that he might of accumulated it through previous long hours of play and farming, one can only assume how it was obtained and nothing is known for sure. Im only trying to be fair on events that will occur.

The ectos you get in UW are definitely unpredictable but its easy to see that chances of getting better ecto drops from a terra are better then with the ursan group. Now maybe a few times an ursan can get more then a terra, usually a very lucky ursan and unlucky terra...but still yes i agre it can happen, anything can.

Also, about me being cheap... i never blamed terras for being cheap, i blamed them for being greedy, there is a difference, maybe i might of used cheap a few times, then i am a hypocrite, but as far as i can remember i usually use to the term greedy to describe them. I also think about the money in terms of a group 1850g isn't much ( well its a lot for me personally , but thats unrelated) i believe that when the group fails, the terra sometimes goes an uses the consets for his own purposes, whether he uses it second, never gets a chance to use it and fails in his group and rinse repeat, easy money and greedy, i can just see there are many flaws in the system, which is why im bowing out until i can figure out a better way to farm